StanJ
Lifelong student of God's Word.
Well that's the way I read it, so I suggest maybe some clarification, which apparently you're not willing to do?lforrest said:That isn't what the rule says, I suggest reading it again.
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Well that's the way I read it, so I suggest maybe some clarification, which apparently you're not willing to do?lforrest said:That isn't what the rule says, I suggest reading it again.
Stan,StanJ said:Actually the rules are that if someone asks you to not respond to their posts you have to comply. Of course that only means you can't quote their posts or refer to their posts, it doesn't mean you can't deal with the issue.
So you don't think responding to your post personally, like I'm doing here, is not personal? What exactly do you think ALL personal contact means?OzSpen said:Stan,
The Christianity Board Rules state, 'If a member requests the cessation of all personal contact, then please respect that member's wish'. It does not state that if someone asks me not to respond to their posts I have to comply. It states that if that person 'requests the cessation of all personal contact' I have to respect that.
The person in question has not asked me to cease from all personal contact.
You seem to have misinterpreted what the rule states.
Stan,StanJ said:So you don't think responding to your post personally, like I'm doing here, is not personal? What exactly do you think ALL personal contact means?
You are a very confused Oz, because FHII reiterated in post 136 that he had asked you before as well as then, but as usual you strive about words just for the sake of argument and can't seem to recognize the actual issue.OzSpen said:What does the rule state? ''If a member requests the cessation of all personal contact, then please respect that member's wish'.
'Requests' is the key factor, Stan. I have had no request from that person to cease ALL personal contact.
Now you should understand what Iforrest meant when he said to you, 'That isn't what the rule says, I suggest reading it again.' You still do not want to accept what the rule states.
Stan,StanJ said:You are a very confused Oz, because FHII reiterated in post 136 that he had asked you before as well as then, but as usual you strive about words just for the sake of argument and can't seem to recognize the actual issue.
Thanks.lforrest said:I have sought clarification on the no personal contact rule, so lets get back on topic here.
An announcement will be made once the rule is clarified.
Thanks
Then I guess this explains why you didn't do so... lack of comprehension.OzSpen said:Stan,
In #136, this person stated, 'But I am happy and approve of you deciding to bother me no more. I asked this of you a while ago and you kept on pressing.... So thanks for not participating anymore'.
That is NOT a REQUEST to cease all personal contact with the person.
Let's get back to the topic: Two Ways of thinking about OSAS
Are there only 2 ways of thinking about OSAS or more than 2 ways?
Oz
Id be more inclined to think. God has a plan for mans salvation, a plan that has no flaws in it, He even Gave His son's life for us, poured upon Him the perfect one , all of our sins, but as arrogant and proud as we are we would rather save ourselves. God forgave me, nah dont believe it, He died how many time. Once, couldnt possibly be enough. How many times do you want Him to die for you before you accept so great a gift.Meh, I'm forgiven" I mean really, how arrogant is that?
1. I don't mind folks looking at the greek definitions. What i don't like is when people use it to get around what the verse says in english. I don't believe the bible or even one verse in the bible needs to be retranslated as it has already been done. Furthermore, its really not that special... Anyone with strongs can do it.Born_Again said:Okay, here's my two cents.. if its even worth that. I DO believe you can fall away. I wont bother landblasting with a bunch of scripture. If someone isn't going to bother looking at the Greek text for proper context and just go off of their favorite translations, then they probably shouldn't argue with those who do.
Next, even though you are saved already forgiven... to continue to sin with an "oh well" attitude cant be healthy anyways. When we all face judgment, I seriously doubt God, after going over your sins, is going to say "But hey, Oh well right?" Repentance after sin, after you're are saved, is humbling and showing you acknowledge your sinful ways. We stumble, it happens. The least you can do is feel remorse for sinning against God. Instead of thinking, "Meh, I'm forgiven" I mean really, how arrogant is that? But this is just my two cents. I'm not going to argue with anyone as I am a grown adult and don't get into childish petty arguments.
That normally only happens when people miss assign a connotation to an English word. Then it is incumbent upon us to seek out what the Greek actually says in order to show it. The issue is not so much the English but how the English is being interpolated. This also happens a lot with people who quote King James out of context.FHII said:1. I don't mind folks looking at the greek definitions. What i don't like is when people use it to get around what the verse says in english. I don't believe the bible or even one verse in the bible needs to be retranslated as it has already been done. Furthermore, its really not that special... Anyone with strongs can do it.
So to put it another way, more often than not people look to the greek NOT TO gain further understanding of what the verse says, but to try to refute and get around what it says.
I think we've pretty well established that the scripture doesn't say we have to ask for forgiveness. The scripture says we have to confess or agree with God when our actions are sin. Once we do that then they fall under their forgiveness we received at Salvation. If we don't do that then basically this sin is not agreeing with God. I'm pretty sure he wasn't implying that it's arrogant to believe that God has forgiven us because the Bible tells us he has forgiven us if we confess his son as our savior. Not quite sure why you're differentiating between carnal sin and other types of sin? Sin is Sin and it can all be forgiven except one. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is Unforgivable.FHII said:2. If you repent for your sins, yes you may have to repent again and again. Each time you sin, you have to re-repent. That's not what I'm talking about; Im saying if you confess you are a sinner and you are forgiven for being a sinner, there is no need to ask forgiveness.
Do you really think it is arrogant to believe God has forgiven us? I don't. I see it as having faith in what God says. I'm not going to continously ask God for something he already gave. On the otherhand, I will not cease to thank him. Humbly thank him. God said he wasn't looking at the fleshly sins any longer.
Spiritual sins is another matter.
I don't agree with your idea that "we can't stop sinning".H. Richard said:Those that do not believe in OSAS are the ones that believe they save themselves by not sinning in the flesh.
Those that believe in OSAS are the ones that believe they are saved by what Jesus did on the cross and not by their ability to not sin in the flesh.
Phil 3:3
3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,
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2 Cor 11:3-5
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted — you may well put up with it!
Paul and False Apostles 5 For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles.
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Do you have a battlement on your house? Are you wearing polyester or some other mixed blend of cloth? Do you give 10% of your income before taxes to your Church? Did you send Joyce an offering?Phoneman777 said:I don't agree with your idea that "we can't stop sinning".
As Joyce Meyer once asked, "If someone put a gun to your child's head and told you that if you indulge that sin just one more time, BAM!", could you find the strength to resist temptation then?
It's not a question of our "skill", but our "will". Instead of staying hung up on what you think you can't do, try imitating the Savior we all claim to love so much when He said, "Not My will, but THY will be done, Lord."
Oh you can, but you will have to die first.I don't agree with your idea that "we can't stop sinning".
Well put Fhii,FHII said:It was John Calvin that said,"grace is not a license to sin". I find that hilarious because most folks that insist we are still under the law hate the guy! Shows they don't know much about Church history.
We need a license to sin like the coona$$es in Louisiana need a license to fish. If that offends you then you ain't from Louisiana. Cause they would all be saying, "that's right!".
We are going to sin with or without a license. We don't need a license to sin. We need foriveness. That's what Jesus gives. He forgives us for being sinners. Not just for our sins.
Grace is not an excuse from sins. Its forgiveness. Its overlooking our faults. It's all about one man. We are excused as sinners because of Christ.
God isn't even looking at my life. He's looking at Jesus's. And he sees Jesus saying,"he's with me!"
FHII, you didn't respond to Joyce Meyer's question in Post #154. Could you find the strength to resist temptation if your child's life was on the line? Could you do it everyday?FHII said:Do you have a battlement on your house? Are you wearing polyester or some other mixed blend of cloth? Do you give 10% of your income before taxes to your Church? Did you send Joyce an offering?
Have you looked at a woman and lusted in the last 24 hours? Ever take a pen home from work? Have you lied about any of these answers?
Well you didn't respond to anyof my questions either. But that's ok because they were rhetorical. They actually did answer Joyce's question by exposing it as rediculous.Phoneman777 said:FHII, you didn't respond to Joyce Meyer's question in Post #154. Could you find the strength to resist temptation if your child's life was on the line? Could you do it everyday?
The Bible says that Jesus, too, has a proverbial gun to His head. Could you find the strength to resist temptation, seeing that your sin will "crucify the Son of God afresh and put Him to an open shame"? (Hebrews 6:6 KJV)