Typical questions people ask about the Olivet Discourse.

[Douggg]

Wrong. The final week of Daniel 9:27 has confirmed at the Cross with the Blood of the Lamb and it lasts over the New Testament period with church built with Gentiles be coming in with Satan restrained (bound). After the testimony of 1,260 days, Satan will be loosened and bring desolation to the church on 1,290 day. The 1,335 day is the day Christ will return. So the long running of the final week of Daniel 9:27 is about to end soon.

How does 1335 days fit into 1260 days ?

Jesus's return coming in power and great glory is in Matthew 24:30 right? What takes place in that verse before his coming ?

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Douggg]

Prove me with Scirpture.

You are making stuff up about me saying "evil" right before the term prince that come.

 

[Douggg]

The Jews destroyed their own city. Just read Josephus. That is how we know something even happened in 70AD.

The Romans destroyed the walls, but all they did is finish up the destruction that went on for the entire siege within the walls.

The Jews could have surrendered immediately upon Titus' arrival. It is not that Roman occupation of Jerusalem was a new and strange concept.

You are basing your view of Scripture on an historical account about the Romans. But the message from Gabriel was about the Jews and their cutting off their own Messiah.

The civil war among the Jews was just that, civil and not necessarily against the Romans. People forget that the only reason the Romans started to come in larger military operations, was the Jews fighting each other and the Roman Pax in the region was becoming unstable.

But you are still avoiding the point that at the 7th Trumpet the Lord via the Prince to Come, Jesus is announced King over all nations, and that is when the Covenant is confirmed with the many as now they are all under the authority of Jesus Christ. At that point it will be determined if they all physically die in the winepress of God's wrath or will time be extended to allow for those who are later defined as being beheaded. No one was beheaded prior to the sounding of the 7th Trumpet.

The word confirm was used. The Hebrew "gabar" means strong or mighty. This is not some OT enforced Law. This is not some peace agreement between nations.

This is the strength of Christ's authority over sin and death. The wicked will be destroyed in this show of strength of the Atonement that has been the salvation of mankind, but God's grace and the punishment has been declared over. That is what time up is meaning concerning the days of the 7th Trumpet.

The English meaning of the word confirm is showing us the moment of truth has come. The time of redemption has run out. The NT or Atonement Covenant of the Cross is about to be declared finished. None of Adam's dead corruptible flesh will be allowed to continue past this time for current creation.

Many claim the time up at the 7th Trumpet is not the 70 weeks. They want that time up in the first century and totally miss the point of time up in Revelation 10. Then get bent out of shape when told that would mean the 7th Trumpet sounded in the first century.

It would also mess up their time up at the Second Coming point. Then many others want the whole entire 70th week to be future. The 70th week is Jesus Christ the King. Because Gabriel says until Messiah the Prince. It does not say until only the Messiah and someone else will be declared Prince who is not Jesus.

"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks."

The next verse already gives an OT reference that time would be extended, with the 70th week being cut in half. The 70th week would not be finished until the Prince to come, actually came. So Messiah was already prophecied as being cut off, physically no more on the earth, and the week would be postponed indefinitely until a return of the Messiah as the Prince.

Verse 27 cannot be the interim of the 70th week. Verse 27 cannot take place until after the Prince returns. It is not the Messiah who confirms the Covenant, it is the Prince to come who confirms the Covenant. That is all evident within the text itself. Placing the prophesy into history is a secondary interpretation from other Scripture.

BTW: until the Prince comes and declares the 70th week over, those promises in verse 24 cannot be implemented, even if the work was already accomplished by the Messiah. We cannot have the 70th week finished until the King is announced at the 7th Trumpet. We cannot have the entire 70th week in the future, because the Messiah part was declared finished by Jesus on the Cross.

Paul declared blindness in part was placed on Israel until their Prince returned. So that proves Paul understood the gap of the 70th week, even though he did not write a commentary on the book of Daniel.

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

Their sins taken away is a direct point found in Daniel 9:24. The term mystery is referred directly by John in Revelation 10 about the 7th Trumpet.

"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

The mystery Paul does not want us to be ignorant of can only be declared finished at the 7th Trumpet. That is when Jesus is declared King over evey nation. That is when Daniel 9:27 happens and Jesus confirms the Atonement Covenant.

The foundation of the Covenant was the Cross and Jesus as Messiah. The Strength of the Covenant is Jesus as King at the 7th Trumpet.

Only after the 7th Trumpet will there be an AoD or Satan's 8th kingdom for what it is worth. This Aod is not the second half of something. The AoD is not a period in between two seperate 3.5 year periods, which Daniel 9:27 infers. The only reality is that the AoD splits a week of days in half and that is the days of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. We see the last 3.5 days after those 42 months, as the time the 2 witnesses lay dead, and the same 3.5 days the 7 vials are poured out. All events within the sounding of the 7th Trumpet.

Tim, go back and read Luke 21:20-24. Those verses spoken by Jesus are about the 70AD event, the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem.

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The timing of the 7th angel sounding his trumpet, when the third woe is shown to John, is on this chart.

 

[Timtofly]

There would be no reason for the term "the prince that shall come" if it referred to the messiah. And there would be no reason to identity the people of the prince that shall come - if it referred to the messiah, because the messiah is of Daniel's people the Jews.

According you your interpretation, the verse in your mind reads as...

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of Messiah shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

.... which makes zero sense because of the historical fact that the city and sanctuary were destroyed by the Romans.

Doug, the Messiah is not returning. The King is returning. You have to get over the fact the Messiah left the earth in the first century.

Why would it make sense to say the Messiah that is to come, after the Messiah had already left?

The point was established that Messiah was cut off. Then the point is established the Prince to come. The Prince part did not happen in the first century.

We are not going by what Jews are expecting at any point in the last 2500 years.

Obviously that ship has sailed as the phrase implies.

Paul added to the point of Messiah being cut off, that Israel itself was cut off. If Israel is to come to their Messiah it is the same as all the Gentiles, as the distinction was removed by God.

Israel would be restored as Israel by the Prince at the Second Coming. This was already established fact and church teaching before 70AD happened.

It can be assumed that Jerusalem destroyed in 70AD had a major impact throughout the Roman Empire. But the event can hardly change what God had already established in His Word. That is irregardless whether Revelation had an early date or a later date. Even though people assume a connection, nothing in Revelation really deals with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

 

[Timtofly]

Who is this?

Jhn 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

hugs

It means Satan was never bound in the first century, but would still be on the earth deceiving people for the next 1900+ years.

It certainly does not change, nor fulfill the prophecy made 500+ years prior.

 

[Timtofly]

Contrary to most Christians, I believe Daniel's 70 weeks are not interrupted. Stephan's stoning marks the end of the 70 Weeks. Acts 7:54-60

I don't understand the question. The desolation -- the thing to be emptied -- is the house of David and the lands of the Jewish people. That took place in the first century.


Agreed.

I don't see a "coming" in Daniel 9

The point "to come" means what then?

Most of Christianity cannot see the 70 weeks as being broken into chunks of time. Because they all rely on a false teaching by the early church fathers, who sometimes were antagonistic against the Jews in general of their day.

Look at the history of the OT Canon. Even the adherents of Judaism did not all agree on Daniel as being part of the OT Canon.

Gabriel broke the week up in the text, not Bible teachers or theologians.

49 years happened. Then 434 years happened. That is how it was prophecied. Gabriel never said after 490 years. 49 plus 434 is only 483. So Gabriel said after 483 years Messiah would be cut off. The 70th week was never described at all. Not sure how one can change the text and declare a solid 490 years.

Gabriel never stated: In 490 years Stephen would be stoned to death. That is human opinion placed on faulty interpretation and teachings.

The 70 weeks were broken down due to the context as 49 years and a break. 434 years and a break. 3.5 years of the earthly ministry of Messiah, and then a break.

Since you claim not to see the Prince part, that would be the last 3.5 years. There was no Prince on earth who left at the stoning of Stephen. Nor were the promises of verse 24 enacted after the stoning of Stephen. Israel was not restored, all 12 tribes after the stoning of Stephen. The Day of the Lord did not start after the stoning of Stephen.

The implications of Daniel 9 would effect the entire world through Israel, Daniel's people. At that point in time, there was not even a nation nor Jerusalem, as it had been destroyed nearly 70 years prior. Israel had been dispersed throughout the world about 200 years prior to Daniel. The 70 weeks was not directed at the first century Jews, nor the church. Daniel 9 involves the Atonement Covenant for the entire human race, but administered through Israel. That was the work of Messiah on the Cross, cut off, but not for Himself, for the entire world.

 

[Douggg]

Doug, the Messiah is not returning. The King is returning. You have to get over the fact the Messiah left the earth in the first century.

Why would it make sense to say the Messiah that is to come, after the Messiah had already left?

The point was established that Messiah was cut off. Then the point is established the Prince to come. The Prince part did not happen in the first century.

We are not going by what Jews are expecting at any point in the last 2500 years.

Obviously that ship has sailed as the phrase implies.

Paul added to the point of Messiah being cut off, that Israel itself was cut off. If Israel is to come to their Messiah it is the same as all the Gentiles, as the distinction was removed by God.

Israel would be restored as Israel by the Prince at the Second Coming. This was already established fact and church teaching before 70AD happened.

It can be assumed that Jerusalem destroyed in 70AD had a major impact throughout the Roman Empire. But the event can hardly change what God had already established in His Word. That is irregardless whether Revelation had an early date or a later date. Even though people assume a connection, nothing in Revelation really deals with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

Tim, you are not going to be able to get around the fact that people of the prince that shall come was the Romans. Jesus in Luke 21:20-24, referred to the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem and the desolation thereof. Jesus's people were the Jews, not the Romans.

The prince that shall come will be the little horn person coming from north and west of Israel, Daniel 8:9 - at the time of the end, Daniel 8:17.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You are making stuff up about me saying "evil" right before the term prince that come.

That is exactly what you did. If you intend to insert Titus, then evil prince it is. Again, where is the Scripture I asked for proof of your doctrine like I asked. As usual you were avoiding it and say that I was making stuff up? Huh?

 

[TribulationSigns]

How does 1335 days fit into 1260 days ?

You do not understand if you are trying to play with the number in the calendar. The 1,260, 1,290, and 1,335 days are all spiritual signposts of the final week of Daniel. Not literal 1,260 days. Not literal 1,290 days. Etc.

From Day 1 when Christ confirmed a covenant with many (church) to Day 1,260 when the Two Witnesses finished their salvation testimony to the world. From Day 1,260 to Day 1,290 is when Two Witnesses were lying dead in the streets (Church). That is the apostasy until the abomination of desolation. From Day 1,290 to Day 1,335 is the judgment of the whore for symbolically 1 hour. Christ returns on Day 1,335.

There is no such thing as "Day 2520" as you made it up to fit your literal 7-year period.

Jesus's return coming in power and great glory is in Matthew 24:30 right? What takes place in that verse before his coming ?

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Read the context again:

Mat 24:29-31
(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The sun, moon, stars, and powers of the heavens refers to the judgment of the Whore, the church. This must take place FIRST which I believe is taking place right now as we see where the false prophets and christs out there now rules. This is the hour of judgment as God said:

Rev 18:7-10
(7) How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
(8) Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
(9) And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
(10) Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Rev 11:13-14
(13) And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
(14) The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

This is the judgment of the church when she fail to see herself as abomination thinking she is God's bride. And the kings of the earth (Elect) can 'see' that God has judged her and mourned for who she once was. This is the second woe.

After this judgment is finished, Jesus Christ shall return and gather his Elect (rapture). This is 1,335 day when it will be a blessing for those who shall take part of the rapture after being patient through the great tribulation and wait for Christ's return. And this will be the third woe for professed Christians who are left behind among with the unbelieving world.

 

[Ziggy]

Every Kingdom man has ever built for himself to be King of, has been and will be knocked down.
The only Kingdom that will ever remain is the Kingdom God himself is King of.
There is a Kingdom of darkness and a Kingdom of light.
Both exist in the spiritual realm.
In the end only the Kingdom of Light will remain and darkness will be swallowed up by light.
Light is truth, darkness is deception and lies.

Daniel speaks of worldly kingdoms. Revelation speaks of spiritual kingdoms.
And sometimes they blend together so it is difficult to understand the difference between that which is carnal and that which is spiritual.
The Kingdom Daniel speaks of is that which Israel ruled after the flesh.
The Kingdom John speaks of in Revelation is that which Christ rules in the Spirit.

The battle is not between flesh and blood but between good and evil in the heart.

Stand in the Holy place is not a physical place, it is the throne of God.

There is no other Holy place on earth than where God's presence is.

God told Moses, take off you shoes for you stand on Holy ground. Moses was in the presence of God.
Daniel was in the presence of God when he prayed for the salvation of Israel.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesars and unto God what is God's.

hugs

 

[Douggg]

That is exactly what you did. If you intend to insert Titus, then evil prince it is. Again, where is the Scripture I asked for proof of your doctrine like I asked. As usual you were avoiding it and say that I was making stuff up? Huh?

The point I am making is that I never said evil prince that shall come. Although you falsely alleged that I did.

And no I have never said that the prince that shall come is Titus.

The prince that shall come will be the little horn person who shall come from north and west of Israel, Daniel 8:9, at the time of the end, Daniel 8:17.

He will come into the middle east following the Gog/Magog event, and the Jews with think he is their long awaited messiah. And he will be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah, thus becoming the Antichrist. Who will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, by having the law read to the nation of Israel from the temple mount.

I suggest that you go to You Tube and watch some of the many video's by Jewish rabbi's who are anticipating the messiah soon. Also go to the Temple Institute site and read about how they are preparing for the next temple and animal sacrifices.

From the Judaism 101 site...

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Why many people don't understand what the stones of the temple building that the Lord Jesus Christ actualled talked about in Matthew 24:1-2, John 2:19, etc. Like the Jews, they believed Christ was talking about some physical objects and accused people like me of "spiritualizing" things.
Well, that is their excuse, justification, pretext, rationalization, the bottom line is it's all just subterfuge. Anything to evade having to accept what is clearly written concerning the positioning of "all" the stones. Handling the Word of God deceitfully is changing or corrupting the word by mixing it with humanism or worldly inventions, maybe even the babblings of Josephus or Jack Van Impe, anything in order to make it acceptable to those who will NOT receive a divine interpretation directly from the Spirit in authority of the Scriptures. For example, stones not as the world defines them, but as God all through His own word has defined them. 70 A.D. is an excuse not to believe the Spirit, not a fulfillment of the Word. So an evil and unfaithful generation seeks excuses not to believe all the stones of the Old Testament City and Temple WERE thrown down, that the City and Temple could be rebuilt in the New Testament dispensation. These worldly things like Temples, Cities and Holy rooms were "types" signifying things far more important than physical stones, lampstands and tabernacles.

Hebrews 9:8-10

• "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
• Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
• Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation."

The stones, temples, tabernacles, animal scarifices, cities, kingdoms, candlesticks, etc., were all types, figures, tokens of something far more important than animal blood, a Temple or a king like David. These were all types, a type wherein the Old Testament economy is represented by the Old Testament Holy Temple, and the New by the New Testament Holy Temple. The first had to fall FIRST in order for the second to start building. This is the Spiritual nature of the whole Bible, that unfortunately many Christians blind themselves to. Christ came as the building Stone for Israel, but was rejected and destroyed (John 2:19) where "that" Holy Temple representation was thrown down and not one stone left, and Christ became the foundation stone of the New Testament church, and the New Testament Jews (Christians) are the stones built upon Him!!! Part of the mystery is that this was always as intended!

 

[Douggg]

You do not understand if you are trying to play with the number in the calendar. The 1,260, 1,290, and 1,335 days are all spiritual signposts of the final week of Daniel. Not literal 1,260 days. Not literal 1,290 days. Etc.

From Day 1 when Christ confirmed a covenant with many (church) to Day 1,260 when the Two Witnesses finished their salvation testimony to the world. From Day 1,260 to Day 1,290 is when Two Witnesses were lying dead in the streets (Church). That is the apostasy until the abomination of desolation. From Day 1,290 to Day 1,335 is the judgment of the whore for symbolically 1 hour. Christ returns on Day 1,335.

There is no such thing as "Day 2520" as you made it up to fit your literal 7-year period.


Read the context again:

Mat 24:29-31
(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The sun, moon, stars, and powers of the heavens refers to the judgment of the Whore, the church. This must take place FIRST which I believe is taking place right now as we see where the false prophets and christs out there now rules. This is the hour of judgment as God said:

Rev 18:7-10
(7) How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
(8) Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
(9) And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
(10) Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Rev 11:13-14
(13) And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
(14) The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

This is the judgment of the church when she fail to see herself as abomination thinking she is God's bride. And the kings of the earth (Elect) can 'see' that God has judged her and mourned for who she once was. This is the second woe.

After this judgment is finished, Jesus Christ shall return and gather his Elect (rapture). This is 1,335 day when it will be a blessing for those who shall take part of the rapture after being patient through the great tribulation and wait for Christ's return. And this will be the third woe for professed Christians who are left behind among with the unbelieving world.



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I see you have no answers to simple questions.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The point I am making is that I never said evil prince that shall come. Although you falsely alleged that I did.

In your doctrine, it is an evil prince that you insisted other than Messiah the Prince, wasn't it?

And no I have never said that the prince that shall come is Titus.

Titus or Antichrist. Doesn't matter. Both the doctrines of many Preterists and Premillennialists are incorrect concerning "prince"

The prince that shall come will be the little horn person who shall come from north and west of Israel, Daniel 8:9, at the time of the end, Daniel 8:17.

See what you said, "Little horn person." And your geography speculation is based on the world map. This is not how God see things.

He will come into the middle east following the Gog/Magog event, and the Jews with think he is their long awaited messiah.

Yeah, typical erroneous premillennialism doctrine.

And he will be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah, thus becoming the Antichrist. Who will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, by having the law read to the nation of Israel from the temple mount.

So your speculation about the antichrist "confirming" Mt. Sinai covenant by reading it to the nation of Israel from Temple Mount?
Thanks for a laugh. Nowhere does it say this in Scripture. Obviously, you made it up.

I suggest that you go to You Tube and watch some of the many video's by Jewish rabbi's who are anticipating the messiah soon.

YouTube is NOT the arbiter of Truth. So you saying that you got doctrine from YouTube?

Also go to the Temple Institute site and read about how they are preparing for the next temple and animal sacrifices.

From the Judaism 101 site...

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

And you get interpreation from Temple Institute as well? Show me the Scrpture where your "Mashiach" will be anointed as king "in the End of Days" Where does it say in Scirpture? Chapter and verse, please. Not Temple Institue web address.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I see you have no answers to simple questions.

You are saying this because you refuse to receive the answers. I have refuted your doctrine... and chart with Scripture. Where are yours in your DEFENSE?? I know your game. If you can't defense yourself, all you do is accuse one of not answer your questions. LOL.

 

[Douggg]

You are saying this because you refuse to receive the answers. I have refuted your doctrine... and chart with Scripture. Where are yours in your DEFENSE?? I know your game. If you can't defense yourself, all you do is accuse one of not answer your questions. LOL.

I just discovered that I can put certain posters in ignore status. Bye.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I just discovered that I can put certain posters in ignore status. Bye.

Yeah because you went and cried uncle with the moderator about me but told you to use ignore. LOL

 

[covenantee]

The point I am making is that I never said evil prince that shall come. Although you falsely alleged that I did.

And no I have never said that the prince that shall come is Titus.

The prince that shall come will be the little horn person who shall come from north and west of Israel, Daniel 8:9, at the time of the end, Daniel 8:17.

He will come into the middle east following the Gog/Magog event, and the Jews with think he is their long awaited messiah. And he will be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah, thus becoming the Antichrist. Who will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, by having the law read to the nation of Israel from the temple mount.

I suggest that you go to You Tube and watch some of the many video's by Jewish rabbi's who are anticipating the messiah soon. Also go to the Temple Institute site and read about how they are preparing for the next temple and animal sacrifices.

From the Judaism 101 site...

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

This is a Christian forum. Whatever your Jewish rabbis are anticipating is of utter irrelevance to the born-again Child of God in Christ. There's no such thing as Judaism. What your Jewish rabbis practise is kabbalistic Babylonian talmudism, a blasphemous pharisaic antichristian occultic racist abomination in God's sight. They are antichrists, and are lost.

It's no wonder that your eschatology is of such chaos when you're chasing after Jewish rabbis, of whom Christ said:

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

As for your temple, I'm stocked up on popcorn.

Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
"Ecclesiastical History"
Book V, Chapter XXII

Though the emperor [Julian the Apostate] hated and oppressed the Christians, he manifested benevolence and humanity towards the Jews. He wrote to the Jewish patriarchs and leaders, as well as to the people, requesting them to pray for him, and for the prosperity of the empire. In taking this step he was not actuated, I am convinced, by any respect for their religion; for he was aware that it is, so to speak, the mother of the Christian religion, and he knew that both religions rest upon the authority of the patriarchs and the prophets; but he thought to grieve the Christians by favoring the Jews, who are their most inveterate enemies. But perhaps he also calculated upon persuading the Jews to embrace paganism and sacrifices; for they were only acquainted with the mere letter of Scripture, and could not, like the Christians and a few of the wisest among the Hebrews, discern the hidden meaning.

Events proved that this was his real motive; for he sent for some of the chiefs of the race and exhorted them to return to the observance of the laws of Moses and the customs of their fathers. On their replying that because the temple in Jerusalem was overturned, it was neither lawful nor ancestral to do this in another place than the metropolis out of which they had been cast, he gave them public money, commanded them to rebuild the temple, and to practice the cult similar to that of their ancestors, by sacrificing after the ancient way. The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished. They sought for the most skillful artisans, collected materials, cleared the ground, and entered so earnestly upon the task, that even the women carried heaps of earth, and brought their necklaces and other female ornaments towards defraying the expense. The emperor, the other pagans, and all the Jews, regarded every other undertaking as secondary in importance to this. Although the pagans were not well-disposed towards the Jews, yet they assisted them in this enterprise, because they reckoned upon its ultimate success, and hoped by this means to falsify the prophecies of Christ. Besides this motive, the Jews themselves were impelled by the consideration that the time had arrived for rebuilding their temple. When they had removed the ruins of the former building, they dug up the ground and cleared away its foundation; it is said that on the following day when they were about to lay the first foundation, a great earthquake occurred, and by the violent agitation of the earth, stones were thrown up from the depths, by which those of the Jews who were engaged in the work were wounded, as likewise those who were merely looking on. The houses and public porticos, near the site of the temple, in which they had diverted themselves, were suddenly thrown down; many were caught thereby, some perished immediately, others were found half dead and mutilated of hands or legs, others were injured in other parts of the body. When God caused the earthquake to cease, the workmen who survived again returned to their task, partly because such was the edict of the emperor, and partly because they were themselves interested in the undertaking. Men often, in endeavoring to gratify their own passions, seek what is injurious to them, reject what would be truly advantageous, and are deluded-by the idea that nothing is really useful except what is agreeable to them. When once led astray by this error, they are no longer able to act in a manner conducive to their own interests, or to take warning by the calamities which are visited upon them.

The Jews, I believe, were just in this state; for, instead of regarding this unexpected earthquake as a manifest indication that God was opposed to the re-erection of their temple, they proceeded to recommence the work. But all parties relate, that they had scarcely returned to the undertaking, when fire burst suddenly from the foundations of the temple, and consumed several of the workmen.

This fact is fearlessly stated, and believed by all; the only discrepancy in the narrative is that some maintain that flame burst from the interior of the temple, as the workmen were striving to force an entrance, while others say that the fire proceeded directly from the earth. In whichever way the phenomenon might have occurred, it is equally wonderful. A more tangible and still more extraordinary prodigy ensued; suddenly the sign of the cross appeared spontaneously on the garments of the persons engaged in the undertaking. These crosses were disposed like stars, and appeared the work of art. Many were hence led to confess that Christ is God, and that the rebuilding of the temple was not pleasing to Him; others presented themselves in the church, were initiated, and besought Christ, with hymns and supplications, to pardon their transgression. If any one does not feel disposed to believe my narrative, let him go and be convinced by those who heard the facts I have related from the eyewitnesses of them, for they are still alive. Let him inquire, also, of the Jews and pagans who left the work in an incomplete state, or who, to speak more accurately, were able to commence it.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Who is "This Generation" that will not pass until all is fulfilled, past, present, or future, please explain?

Matthew 24:34KJV
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

You also need to check with:
Mat 23:34-36
(34) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
(35) That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
(36) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.


The verses preceding these two gives the context and qualifies these passages that we understand He is referring to them as the offspring or children of Satan. In other words, they are of the same spiritual family, the generation of evil. They aren't any different, despite their protests to the contrary. Sound familiar?

Matthew 23:29-33

• "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
• And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
• Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
• Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
• Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"

They illustrate that though these people believe that they are children of God, they are actually of the very same family of Satan that killed the Prophets. Christ is here talking to the unfaithful congregation of His day, declaring them the generation (family) of evil that kills God's prophets. In other words, Satan was their father, and his deeds are what they do, as contrasted with the offspring or children of God. And as the Generation or family of evil, they are the exact same generation that killed Abel and the prophets of old. They are thus measured the same as that generation, because they are that generation that killed/kills God's prophets. They are the fruit of children of their father. Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
You need to understand because it was the generation of evil that were/are/will be responsible for the blood of God's prophets and Elects. It was "THIS" generation, the fruit or offspring of Satan, who killed them. Who is responsible for the blood of the Prophets? Satan, and ALL those ruled over by him.

And the endtime Church is that SAME generation or family of Satan, and thus the same family that killed Abel, Jesus, Stephen, Martin Luther, and me. (Remember hate someone for speaking the truth is considered murder in God's eye) Again, see the context of the verse:

Matthew 23:30-32

• "And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
• Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
• Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers."

Those people were not literally alive when their family killed the prophets, but God makes it perfectly clear that though they (like many today) protest that they are the Good God fearing congregation, in reality they are actually the children of Satan. They are the same spiritual offspring of those who killed the prophets, and are measured the same as those who killed them. Who killed them? The generation of Evil, the same generation they are. Selah.

Matthew 23:35-36

• " That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
• Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation."

What Generation? Certainly not the generation of Matthew, Mark Luke and John of that Physical/literal Generation. Nor our generation today. But the Generation of evil, of which these in unbelief were. They were of that same kindred that killed the prophets, and thus will be judged the same for killing the prophets. That word translated generation is [genea] from the root [genos] meaning kindred or family. It's used to designate nations, because they are of one family or common ancestry.

 

[Douggg]

This is a Christian forum. Whatever your Jewish rabbis are anticipating is of utter irrelevance to the born-again Child of God in Christ. There's no such thing as Judaism. What your Jewish rabbis practise is kabbalistic Babylonian talmudism, a blasphemous pharisaic antichristian occultic racist abomination in God's sight. They are antichrists, and are lost.

Knowing what the Jews believe and are looking for is critical to understanding the end times bible prophecies of why they will think the prince who shall come is their long awaited messiah - known in Christian eschatology as the Antichrist.

There's no such thing as Judaism.

I guess you likewise think there is no religion of Islam ? I once asked a rabbi what is Judaism, and his answer was - the religion of the Jews.