You're right.
Sorry 'bout that.
A priest is coming here this week to get some stuff translated.
I hope it's not tooooo catholic!
We talk a lot. I tell all the priests there's no purgatory.
Was James confused?
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Sorry 'bout that.
A priest is coming here this week to get some stuff translated.
I hope it's not tooooo catholic!
We talk a lot. I tell all the priests there's no purgatory.
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ah, don't worry, it doesn't exist anyway, not like that, flames. Pure tripe. Pants, lol. People are nuts.
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lol. heretic (or almost, Matt Fox etc) priests are driving a revolution in Creation centered literature right now, best stuff going imo.
I don't think James was confused [as per the O/P] I think he took a while to come out from his Judaic belief system and become a follower of the way. He did become a firm believer, as I understand it, after Christ's death and resurrection.
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I would have to agree with you here. She sees herself as a corrector of all churchianity, and quite frankly, she can have it !!!!
Notice she says to you that she doesn't take instruction from you lol, but she sure does GIVE everybody a dose of her instructions..Like you, I would love to see even just one post from her, where it builds up instead of pulling down, like a couple of other people on the forum.....
It's a conundrum !...Ha,ha.
Many Jews of the time had this problem. We see it clearly stated in the book of Galatians.
Paul asked them why they would want to leave a life of enslavement to rules and regulations when they could instead serve the living god.
It must have been difficult to leave everything they knew.
Some deny the deity of Jesus.
Wouldn't this fact speak to it in a positive way?
I think so...
Indeed it would have been so difficult to leave something that was ingrained in their culture for a new and living way in Christ, yet in saying that, they were waiting for the Messiah to come. They just did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah they were waiting for because he did not fit their interpretation of prophecy ergo ~ the conquering king who was going to destroy their enemies...
Right.
And also, didn't the fact that the Jews REMAINED in The Way, prove that they believed Jesus was God?
Since they believed so strongly in the first commandments from the O.T. wouldn't they have had to be convinced that Jesus was God in order to remain in The Way?
Deuteronomy 6:4
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The Jews who believed were those that accepted Jesus as their Messiah and King. They never said anything about God's grace based on Jesus' work on the cross. If you read Acts 21:20 you will see that the believing Jews were still zealous of the law and thought that they were still under the law of Moses. That difference led to Paul's being arrested.
You're saying they were confused and thought Jesus to be only the Messiah? (The annointed one).
So you don't believe they were treating Jesus as God at this point?
If they believed they were still under the law of Moses and were mad because Paul was teaching that it wasn't necessary for gentiles to become Jews first, then it shows they'd understood nothing yet.
But by the time John died, the next generation DID believe Jesus was God.
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amazing to me how closely this mirrors most christians' beliefs about Christ even today.
Not all Jews believed. Some of his followers deserted him when he was arrested and persecution arose against the followers of The Way. One even denied that he was a disciple of Christ, however, when he rose again and was seen by many [even doubting Thomas] many believed. John 20 ~
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
pia
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Says the lady who has done that very thing to and about me ( several times now )....lol...You're so funny !
How do you know what I do ? This is yet another post of yours which goes to show, you only seem to post extremely negative and even offensive comments, except when you are baiting someone into a debate where you then try to shoot them down in flames........I truly think you need to look at your 'reflection' in Christ, and you can believe me or not, that is from a heart of love, not a sad attempt to have a go at you....
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I am wondering if English is a second language to you, as it is to me...I can get in trouble for not saying things quite right, because I wasn't raised with English as my first language,......Seems you have a little of the same, so it is a serious question.
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If through His will, He has granted us His unmerited favor, His Grace, and written His 'laws' on our hearts, what use do we have for the written law...Once saved and filled, it becomes a no brainer...it is so easy to see, that if every human being had followed just those 10 directives, it would be a near perfect world....As Paul writes, the Law is perfect, and Jesus perfectly kept it, so we wouldn't have to, as if we even could...Not ever even one thought outside of Gods will, not likely !Grace is great but you need the law to show you how to live for it is the law that appears to you, Titus 2:11,12 and to only have grace then sin will explode in you, Romans 5:20.
Don't amen this!
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You said "So you don't believe they were treating Jesus as God at this point?So you don't believe they were treating Jesus as God at this point?""
Why did you say that???> I never said that so I won't waste my time trying to refute it.
What is supported by scriptures is that the believing Jews believed that Jesus was their Messiah and King. They never heard the gospel of grace until Paul taught it.
Matt 16:15-17
15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered and said,"You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
NKJV
But it seems Peter forgot this when he denied Jesus 3 times.
Near the end of Peters life he said this about Paul's message of God's grace.
2 Peter 3:14-16 ----- Be Steadfast
14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation — as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
Peter has indicated that Paul's writings are scripture.
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