aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Ok, let's sort this out - Rex is opposed to me belonging to the Catholic Church AND not being Catholic enough, hence the title New Age Catholic.
Meshak is just opposed to me belonging to the Catholic Church, which does not allow me to follow Jesus, apparently.
Hopefully, that is an accurate protrayal of your positions.
There are 'liberal believers' in the Anglican church that believe Jesus was a man who followed the god of the NT as opposed to god of the OT; some Anglicans like Bishop Spong think the remedy for a dying Protestant Church is to take the theism out of Christianity - I am not in agreement with them either.
Other 'liberal believers' reject the doctrine of Hell and Sin - I believe in both.
In fact, I believe in every word of the Apostle's Creed and the Niciene Creed; and in the inspiration of the Bible. I believe we are saved by faith and sanctified as citizens of Heaven through the transformation of our hearts by the Holy Spirit into redeemed lovers of the Triune God and each other. This transformation is facillitated by our obedience to Christ, by practicing our sanctification daily through loving God and each other as servants. I believe in the power of prayer, as well, and have committed my life to listening to, and adoring God in prayer. Therefore, I am a bit confused about your negative description of my orthodoxy.
And now, on to Meshak:
Meshak is just opposed to me belonging to the Catholic Church, which does not allow me to follow Jesus, apparently.
Hopefully, that is an accurate protrayal of your positions.
What does that mean? There are 'liberal believers' in Christianity that belong to the Unity-Unification church, who do not believe in a personal God at all and view Jesus as a guru - I am not in agreement with them.Rex said:Lets say you have a view of Christianity that is the same as any liberal believer that believes in god but doesn't believe in Jesus.
There are 'liberal believers' in the Anglican church that believe Jesus was a man who followed the god of the NT as opposed to god of the OT; some Anglicans like Bishop Spong think the remedy for a dying Protestant Church is to take the theism out of Christianity - I am not in agreement with them either.
Other 'liberal believers' reject the doctrine of Hell and Sin - I believe in both.
In fact, I believe in every word of the Apostle's Creed and the Niciene Creed; and in the inspiration of the Bible. I believe we are saved by faith and sanctified as citizens of Heaven through the transformation of our hearts by the Holy Spirit into redeemed lovers of the Triune God and each other. This transformation is facillitated by our obedience to Christ, by practicing our sanctification daily through loving God and each other as servants. I believe in the power of prayer, as well, and have committed my life to listening to, and adoring God in prayer. Therefore, I am a bit confused about your negative description of my orthodoxy.
That is odd; I do not know of any other religion that requires a personal relationship and worship of the Trinity and a commitment to obediance through loving selflessly.Rex said:I really can't tell tell the differance between your theology and countless others that blend every religion under, we all worship the same God.
This is news to Aspen for sure! Perhaps Rex is confusing accountibility and judgment with universally applied, external standards of morality; and sadism?Rex said:And meshak aspen has some real issues with God and the bible when it comes to accountability and judgment as well.
Well, I think we would all prefer to love selfeshly - that is the curse of Original Sin and why we cannot receive love from God, or give love back to God, without His justification and sanctification.Rex said:He prefers to only accept the love and bubbles part and ignores the rest including accountability.
That is like saying 'everything is fine and dandy with a car that is inoperable as long as it runs perfectly.' It does not make sense because we were created to love like cars were created to run perfectly - if you are not loving selflessly / outwardly; you are loving selfishly / sinning. No need to make it more complicated.Rex said:Everything is fine and dandy by aspen as long as you do it in love.
He is? How did you reach this conclusion?Rex said:Hes against any kind of correction from others because that not loving,
Translation: 'He has little or no use for prooftexting'Rex said:He has little or no use for scripture
Translation: 'the ones he might reference are all applied and in context rather than conformed to Rex's understanding of conservative, fundamentalist exergesis.'Rex said:the ones he might reference are all paraphrased to meet aspens satisfaction rather than accepting them for what they mean or indicate.
If you are acting like a jerk, Rex - I will make sure you know that I know it. Nothing personal. As far as 'running off' - perhaps you are confusing my hesistency to respond to your baiting posts and useless arguments as cowardice or evidence that I am not really a Christian? Whatever you need to believe, brother.Rex said:If he doesn't like what he hears he runs off and accuses you of not being loving to him, love and bubbles according to aspen.
And now, on to Meshak:
Yes, Jesus did call the Pharisees hypocrites, just like Rex likes to name call. So what? I not condemning Jesus or Rex for doing so; although, I hope you can see a difference between Jesus and Rex, and their ability to label people accurately.So you call Jesus name caller too? Jesus called pharisees hypocrites.
Probably the same reason you do not follow His commandments consistently; we are not perfected yet, and still live in a fallen world - Paul lamented about the same problem in his letter to the Romans. The Good News, however, is that we can move towards perfection by practicing what we learn daily from the work of the Holy Spirit and the example of Christ in the Gospels. One day we will be perfect, selfless lovers, as we were created to be.If nothing new, why dont you practice what Jesus commands?
I am well aware of the sins of the Catholic Church and the sins of the of the rest of Christianity. So if all Christian's and the churches they belong to, produce good AND bad fruit, what could Christ have meant by His declaration?Have you investigate RCC's fruit they are producing in the past and still continuing to produce militant and ungodly fruit?Jesus says we know them by their fruit, not by their knowledge or what they claim..