RLT63
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When every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus is Lord is that not worship?What benefit is there in holding the belief that Jesus is not God?
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When every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus is Lord is that not worship?What benefit is there in holding the belief that Jesus is not God?
So if someone has the Spirit of God dwelling in them but not the Spirit of Christ its a no go hmm.
Read the verseMay I know the difference between the spirit of God and the spirit of Christ?
I believe that @Wrangler holds the same view, but scripturally I don't come to that conclusion. The pre-existence of Jesus as the Logos, is referred to several times, such as in John 1:1 which talks about the Logos being "with God" "in the beginning"....this can only be the beginning of creation since the eternal God had no beginning. I believe that the son was that beginning. (Revelation 3:14)
Colossians 1:15-17 speaks of Jesus as being the "firstborn of all creation" so "all creation" means that nothing existed before him. He himself was the "beginning of God's creation"......this is what makes him "only begotten"...he is the only creation that came directly from the Father.....this is what I believe makes him unique.....he is not just an angel but the Chief and Commander of all the angels....second only to his God and Father.
And I believe that there is a reason for the differences we express.....as we are in the final part of “the last days” of this world system of things. There is only one truth, and it is being dispensed through only one channel.....Jesus said he would appoint a “faithful and wise slave” to “feed” his entire household their “food at the proper time". (Matthew 24:45)
To me this means that the "wheat" that Jesus said would grow alongside the "weeds" in these last days, will be in one household....a united global body of Christians who are all being fed the same food, from the same source, and without dissent or argument. (1 Corinthians 1:10)
They would in turn be dispensing this "food" (spiritual nourishment) to others, teaching them what Christ taught (and NOT things that he didn't teach) and making disciples, baptizing them in full recognition of the role that the Father, son and holy spirit had played in their spiritual journey to baptism. (Matthew 28:19-20) We know that the mention of them in that verse is not claiming that there are a trinity of god...but that one's baptism was the result of the combined efforts of all three.
This is a time of separation when Jesus is seeing first hand who are remaining part of "Babylon the great" and who have heeded God's command to "get out of her" (Revelation 18:4-5)....this is a command for God's "people"...so it begs the question, "how did God's people find themselves in "Babylon the great" in the first place?
How did God's "people" (Israel) find themselves in original Babylon? For the same reason....stubborn and willful disobedience to his commands. God allowed their enemies to take them captive and God set an allotted time before he would release them. (70 years) Those taken into exile in ancient Babylon had choices.....adopt the ways of Babylonian worship, or stay true to the commands of their God.....Daniel and his three Hebrew companions were exemplary in this and faced death at the hands of God's enemies....but they were rescued as a reward for their faith...uncontaminated even by decades of exposure to Babylonian worship. We know that Israel as a nation did not follow their good examples, but fell away constantly to false worship.
Those in "Babylon the great" have also fallen away to false worship which was introduced after the death of Christ and his apostles......and their erroneous doctrines are carried on in Christendom to the present day....
We have to get out of "Babylon the great" or we will go down with her.....so who or what is this "city" that is personified by a harlot?
Great question! I think I've answered it several dozen times. One does not have to abandonWhat benefit is there in holding the belief that Jesus is not God?
It's awesome how you make assertions but side step arguments to support it. The burden of making your argument is not on others.Read the verse
What assertion did I make? I simply said read the verse.It's awesome how you make assertions but side step arguments to support it. The burden of making your argument is not on others.
What benefit is there in holding the belief that Jesus is not God?
LOL You are the one claiming there is a benefit to Jesus being God. Yet, you shy away from actually making argument.What assertion did I make? I simply said read the verse.
9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Draw your own conclusions
Hebrews 1:8
Heb 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The angels worship him and God calls him God
And when something doesn't fit your view you simply don't address it.LOL You are the one claiming there is a benefit to Jesus being God. Yet, you shy away from actually making argument.
And when something doesn't fit your view you simply don't address it.
The most important reason that Jesus must be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2).
The flesh dies the Spirit does not. Scripture clearly shows reconciliation had to be by a man, but not just any man, a perfect sinless man born of a virgin, the Son of God and the Son of Man, he was in the beginning with God and he was God (John 1)There is no need for me to address extra-Biblical assertions. For instance, 1 John 2:2 does NOT say any of the things you claim. It does not say:
Such a claim denies 2 points: 1.) God cannot die. 2.) God's sovereignty could achieve reconcilliation of man by any means he chose, e.g., a holy rooster, cow or man.
- Jesus is God.
- Only the impossible death of God could pay for the sins of the world.
The flesh died. The Spirit did not die except symbolically during the time Jesus took on our sins and was separated from the Father. This is why he cried out, "My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me?" He was also fulfilling prophecy.Do you believe God died @RLT63? Do you believe the second person of the Trinity died?
Some trinitarians do. Some trinitarians don’t. Do you?
Sure it does. Unless by using the capital-S, you are referring to the Spirit God gave Jesus when he was baptized. However, this is a distraction for it is not Jesus' spirit to begin with. Are all men immortal since they too have a spirit?The flesh dies the Spirit does not.