What do you think about gender equality in Christianity?

[amadeus]

"Men" bring this topic up over and over no matter how often the truth (SCRIPTURALLY) has been shown. And so y'all go ahead and discuss amongst yourselves how worthless women are... but God isn't in it.

"They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world." John 17:16

Who are the "they" that are not OF the world? I suspect in the flesh they come from both natural genders? Where is the world and where is heaven? Where are men and women? I suspect again that there are some in both places. The ones in whom God dwell are in heaven, are they not, be they physical men or physical women?

 

[Amazed@grace]

Mankind's fallen state came when Adam ate the fruit...not when Eve ate. There appears to be little understanding of divine delegated authority among a few here. You guys would be much better off figuring out how to be the men He has called us to be rather than this incessant picking at women's roles.
God's delegated authority to men is not chauvinistic. It is not the right to coerce a woman against her will. It is not the right to rule as a tyrant.
God's delegated authority is a platform for service. An empowered place to SERVE his wife from.

Husband and wife serve each other together as one. Ephesians 5:31

 

[amadeus]

Take a look in Scripture and see what happens when men pride themselves to be higher than they are.

"Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." Prov 16:18

"A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit." Prov 29:23

 

[Truther]

That word "usurp" is key...to take illegally and/or by force.

I'll tell you what, any believing woman has authority over any unbelieving man and even over any believing man, if she is placed as such by His Will.

Of course.

However, there is no NT scripture that allows a woman to usurp authority over a man or even teach a man.

The elder women must only teach women in a church setting.

The head of the woman is the man, so a congregation should not allow the reverse order.

That idea is new age.

 

[Tone]

Of course.

However, there is no NT scripture that allows a woman to usurp authority over a man or even teach a man.

The elder women must only teach women in a church setting.

The head of the woman is the man, so a congregation should not allow the reverse order.

That idea is new age.

Ha ha "new age"...I've noticed this trigger phrase thrown around here...along with some others...when someone says something outside of one's tiny fences.

It's as old as the many women leaders in the Bible...

 

[Tone]

that allows a woman to usurp authority

FYI, there's no NT scripture that allows anyone to usurp authority over anyone...

 

[Tone]

A woman, just like anybody else, gets to choose who she will place herself under.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I agree. Eve was framed.

She was misled by the serpent , a far wiser one than she, and not properly informed by Adam.

This assumes Adam knew what was coming, and cannot be verified by scripture. He loved his wife, and tried to do all He knew to do. She knew not to eat. But the Lord restores His own, and I believe a time is coming when the Lioness will arise, and everything the enemy stole from her will be returned upon his head. God will use women in the end-times as never before in history. They will be a weapon in the hands of the One True God to destroy his wicked works, and expose him for who he truly is.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Husband and wife serve each other together as one. Ephesians 5:31

Under the husband's headship, as a reflection of Christ to the church.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Noooo, women have never been the weaker vessel...
Nothing weak about us.

Ah, but you see, this statement is in direct conflict with scripture which states otherwise, and it reveals the true feelings of your heart: That the word of God as written by the apostles alone and is not to be trusted. This is the serpent again speaking to you, and making you question, "Has God said?"

It led to death when she believed the serpent the first time. Why would you wish to listen to him again?

 

[amadeus]

A woman, just like anybody else, gets to choose who she will place herself under.

And most of those physical women make the same mistake as most of the men:

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13-14

Jesus speaks not of men privileged above women... or vice versa!

Give God the glory!

 

[Amazed@grace]

The Apostle Paul praised the women "pastors" , in service in his churches.

It is I think a grave injustice to one of the most learned of God's Apostles,Paul, and for him and his words to be misconstrued as evidence women are to remain quiet in God's church, accept they are weak vessels, and have no right to advise, or lead men in any way.

When those ideologies enter the church they divide the church. And those false ideas also misrepresent the whole of Paul's work with women serving beside him.
And also, obscure and even ignore what Paul said in, Galatians 3

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.…
Berean Study Bible

What shall God say about certain in the church presuming, through their own motives, to dare tell anyone God will never call women into his service as pastors?

And this due to their God given sex.
Conforming God's word that is featured in guiding the redeemed, while sustaining sins in the process.Bigotry and discrimination.

When an ideology calls woman lesser, in the face God calling us all one because there is no separation in the church due to sex, race, nationality.

God says barriers no longer exist between people who are saved. We are all one in Christ Jesus.
Others insist the barriers exist. Making God a liar and a fool.

What is that?

Wrong!
That's what. Wrong.

Wrong! That is what it is. Wrong!

 

[Curtis]

Galatians 3:27-29
for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

As the scripture says we are all one in Christ Jesus, all equal heirs.

Mutual submission among believers, and between husbands and wives, is a concept that sits uneasily with some Christians. Yet it is a concept plainly stated in the New Testament and in a few other early Christian writings.

Most Christians are aware that in Ephesians 5:21 Paul says submitting to one another is an outworking of being filled by the Holy Spirit (Eph. 5:18ff) and is an expression of reverence for Jesus Christ:

“submitting to one another in the fear of Christ” (Eph. 5:21).

But Ephesians 5:21 isn’t the only New Testament verse that encourages mutual submission among Jesus’ followers. 1 Peter 5:5 is another.

As pertains to salvation, there is no distinction between male or female, Jew nor Greek, slave or freeman.

That has nothing to do with the roles given men and women, or with gender equality.

You left a lot out of your post:

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Paul stated women are not to usurp authority over, or teach men, but to be in submission, because the man was created first, and because Adam wasn’t deceived by Satan, but Eve was.

Women can preach, evangelize, teach women and children, and do anything but be the head of any congregation that has men in it, meaning they can’t be head pastor over any church with men in it.

There’s a chain of command in scripture, like it or not, and it’s not PC but God isn’t interested in leftist ideology:

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Shalom.

 

[Curtis]

The Apostle Paul praised the women "pastors" , in service in his churche

Just a little research into history will tell you those women were ministers to the women, not over a congregation that included men.

From scholarship:

Rom 16:1 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church at Cenchreae,

Which is a servant - Greek,” Who is a deaconess.” It is clear from the New Testament that there was an order of women in the church known as “deaconesses.” Reference is made to a class of females whose duty it was to “teach” other females, and to take the general superintendence of that part of the church, in various places in the New Testament; and their existence is expressly affirmed in early ecclesiastical history. They appear to have been commonly aged and experienced widows, sustaining fair reputation, and suited to guide and instruct those who were young and inexperienced; compare 1Ti 5:3, 1Ti 5:9-11; Tit 2:4. The Apostolical Constitutions, book iii. say, “Ordain a deaconess who is faithful and holy, for the ministries toward the women.” Pliny in his celebrated letter to Trajan, says, when speaking of the efforts which he made to obtain information respecting the opinions and practices of Christians, “I deemed it necessary to put two maidservants who are called “ministrae” (that is “deaconesses”) to the torture, in order to ascertain what is the truth.” The reasons of their appointment among the Gentiles were these:

(1) The females were usually separate from the men. They were kept secluded, for the most part, and not permitted to mingle in society with men as is the custom now.

(2) It became necessary, therefore, to appoint aged and experienced females to instruct the young, to visit the sick, to provide for them, and to perform for them the services which male deacons performed for the whole church. It is evident, however, that they were confined to these offices, and that they were never regarded as an order of ministers, or suffered “to preach” to congregations; 1Ti 2:12; 1Co 14:34.

Ergo, having women deacons doesn’t make your case for you at all.

Shalom.

 

[Hidden In Him]

The Apostle Paul praised the women "pastors" , in service in his churches.

It is I think a grave injustice to one of the most learned of God's Apostles,Paul, and for him and his words to be misconstrued as evidence women are to remain quiet in God's church, accept they are weak vessels, and have no right to advise, or lead men in any way.

Sister, again you are misunderstanding. His command was only to wives, because by agreeing to marriage a wife was taking upon herself the role of the Bride submitting to her Living Lord. And He would love her for all her days, and give her the Joy she never knew and never dreamed of.

This is not a blasphemous thing, it is beautiful in His eyes, and it is what He designed from the beginning. That they be a refection of the Love between Christ and His church, whom He died for and rose again to save.

What shall God say about certain in the church presuming, through their own motives, to dare tell anyone God will never call women into his service as pastors?

I don't know, because it is not in the scriptures.

God says barriers no longer exist between people who are saved. We are all one in Christ JesusJesus.

Correct, but in the marriage of a man and a woman belonging to Christ there is. She reflects the church loving her Lord, and he the Savior giving his very life for her that she might be raised up to Heaven with him in eternity.

What is that?

Wrong!
That's what. Wrong.

Wrong! That is what it is. Wrong!

What is wrong with what I just said to you?

 

[Pearl]

As pertains to salvation, there is no distinction between male or female, Jew nor Greek, slave or freeman.

That has nothing to do with the roles given men and women, or with gender equality.

You left a lot out of your post:

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Paul stated women are not to usurp authority over, or teach men, but to be in submission, because the man was created first, and because Adam wasn’t deceived by Satan, but Eve was.

Women can preach, evangelize, teach women and children, and do anything but be the head of any congregation that has men in it, meaning they can’t be head pastor over any church with men in it.

There’s a chain of command in scripture, like it or not, and it’s not PC but God isn’t interested in leftist ideology:

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Shalom.

I've heard it all before but my husband wouldn't agree with you.

 

[Curtis]

I've heard it all before but my husband wouldn't agree with you.

Then he disagrees with the Bible.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Just a little research into history will tell you those women were ministers to the women, not over a congregation that included men.

Galatians 3 BSB

 

[Pearl]

Then he disagrees with the Bible.

No he just understands it better than a lot of men.

 

[Amazed@grace]

I've heard it all before but my husband wouldn't agree with you.

Consider what is being promoted here if you will.
Division, yet again.
We're told we are all one in Christ in the church. But we're to be separated by roles "outside" the church due to our sex.

We're all one in Christ in our salvation.We are not when "outside" the church.

We are temples of God. Men and women carry the holy spirit within.
The law that separated the sexes into roles of master and subservient are done away.

When married, we aren't to walk a few measured steps behind our husband.
We're not to suffer marital rape because someone would insist our body is not ours to do with as we will. But is property of the husband.

When we are all one in Christ in the New Covenant, and are as one in our marriage, in the Old Testament, the effort to divide and enslave, due to gender is false teaching and tragedy.


When in the beginning we, men and women, were both created of and from God. Created he both, male and female created he them.

Those who prefer the separation doctrine will not be swayed by God's truth.
Consider why. Because they do not read it with an open heart and mind. Their barriers abrogate the words of The Word.

In the end, they shall stand and be judged for every word. As shall we all.
Live Live! Live Loved. Nowhere in God's truth does he say on any day he created women to be a doormat.
What he does tell us is that the need for repentance and redemption is because one man brought sin into the world.
And by God's planning and grace, one woman birthed the Savior from it.
Know your God given role. Empowered! As one in the church that doesn't cease to exist when its blessed grace filled members are in the world, or married.