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  1. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    To All,

    Neglecting the issue of the duration of the Tribulation (which is NOT 7-years, as falsely attributed to Daniel 9) one should consider what the events and circumstances of these days look like.

    Certainly we see the disunity in our government to the point of FALSE accusations against our President, -- which has not only interfered with the governance of his Administration, but also interfered with the 2018 election which resulted in a disproportionate number of Democrats being elected into the House of Representatives --, but we also see disunity in our society, and in the church.

    Matt. 16:1 And the Pharisees and Sad′ducees came, and to test him they asked him to show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered them, “When it is evening, you say, ‘It will be fair weather; for the sky is red.’ 3 And in the morning, ‘It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” So he left them and departed.

    And so these days are upon us, but those in the "church" are oblivious to the risk of their own welfare.

    Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ...​


    So instead of hearing from GOD, let's parse how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.


    Whew,
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Are you referring to the great tribulation which is to come after the tribulation of our days that we are living in now?

    The tribulation of our days is the falling away from the faith for why when the Bridegroom comes, only a few will be ready while many will be left behind ( Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30 )

    There is tribulation for what we are going through now, and then there is the great tribulation which will occur after the calamity of fire is sent on the earth to burn a third of the earth which will set up the hour of temptation which shall try all upon the earth which is the great tribulation.

    I am from the belief that the pre great tribulation rapture will happen first because God will judge His House first as per 1 Peter 4:17-19 for why many unrepentant saints in the latter days will be left behind to face the calamity of fire on the earth for not being ready to be found abiding in Him ( Luke 12:40-49 & 2 Peter 3:3-15 ) The subsequent great tribulation coming as a result of that fire is not the times we are living in now.

    Here is one judgment from God in casting an unrepentant church into the bed of the coming great tribulation.

    Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
     
  3. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    If you haven't figured out what the Scriptures say, -- you might be too late.

    You ascribe your "belief" based upon lies regarding a FALSE "rapture-of-the-church", as though we're in a "present-tribulation" with a "future-tribulation" for those who haven't been "caught-up".

    In fact, there's only ONE "tribulation" and we're already half way through those 42 months (Rev. 13:5). So if you haven't anticipated when you won't be able to "buy or sell" (see: Luke 22:35-36) then either focus on what you can still accomplish, -- or prepare yourself and family for one of two choices:

    1. Prepare to be martyred (Rev. 20:4-6)
    2. Prepare to deny Christ and accept the mark of the beast (Rev. 14:9-11)

    Remember, the HIRELING is not there for your benefit. So beware of his/her soothing words (2 Timothy 4:3-4)


    Hosea 4:6
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Matthew 24:36
    "Last one turns the lights out, and
    Makes sure every curtain's drawn
    Nails the shutters shut, he's sure
    We are not of this world for long
    Who do you think you are?
    Did you figure out the date?
    What do you hope to do
    While you sit around and wait, wait, wait?
    Last one turns the lights out, and
    Disconnects the answer phone
    Stuffs all sense of mission, says
    "I just can't turn the tide alone"
    Who do you think you are?
    Did you figure out the time?
    What do you hope to do
    While you hide out and whine, whine, whine
    Don't go shuttin' down
    'til the trumpet sounds
    And the battle is won
    Don't go punchin' out
    'til the final shout
    And the Father says,
    "Well done"
    ( Old newsboys song)
     
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    Those times of tribulation were pretty horrible for Israel. Almost every trace of their religion was nearly wiped out in those days. Thank God it is written that we will never have it as bad as they did.
     
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    Good job. You're ignorant of what the Scriptures actually say, -- not to the audience in Jesus' time, but to the end-time church:

    1 Thess. 4:2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

    Looks like you'll be a PERFECT candidate for "the Great Falling Away". -- Congratulations! :)


    Hosea 4:6
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    Please feel free to join @Renniks in ignorance! :)


    Hosea 4:6
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  8. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    To All,

    The Scriptures did not call the times of Jesus, "The Great Tribulation". That title is reserved for NOW.


    Heed the Scriptures, not the assertions of those who would deceive you!
    Bobby Jo
     
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    It doesn't say we will know when. It won't take us by surprise if we are always ready.
    No one knows when it will be. Live ready and don't worry about it.
     
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    Can you find ANY PLACE in the Bible that is called "The Great Tribulation?" (Please post the verse)
     
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    A book called" "The Great Tribulation" By: David Chilton
    In this book, Chilton confidently and simply proposes that the Great Tribulation, which many expect to arrive in the near future, is actually a past event. To substantiate his argument, he gives an honest hermeneutical appraisal of Christ's teaching in the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24; Lk. 21; Mk. 13) as well as other places in the Gospels, and gives a topical commentary on the book of Revelation - all this to successfully demonstrate that these events find their fulfillment in our past, not in our future. Perhaps you disagree - you chuckle as you read this and asseverate in your mind that such a teaching is manifestly impossible. Yet, have you ever read the arguments? Challenged your own? Don't shy away from this great book! Let it challenge you! If, after reading, you still disagree... fine. But don't fail to give a little attention to one of the most quickly advancing eschatological positions today! Sandwiched by the comments of Gary North, the book has the following chapters: 1. The Terminal Generation 2. Coming on the Clouds 3. The Coming of the Antichrist 4. The Last Days 5. The Coming of the New Covenant 6. The Four Horsemen 7. Vengeance for the Martyrs 8. The Book is Opened 9. Jerusalem Under Siege 9. All Creation Takes Vengeance 10. It is Finished!
    (Amazon)
     
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    I had asked you a question because of your question of what the tribulation will look like. I explained why I had asked it because some believers thinks all references to the tribulation is the same as referring to the great tribulation, and I'd say it is not.

    But since your reply does testify below that you believe the tribulation is the same as the great tribulation, that answers my question.

    Since we prophesy in part and know in part, are you ready to teach in patience and meekness or not?

    1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

    2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

    So try to understand why I believe otherwise by answering my questions for why I believe the way that I do.

    In Zechariah 14:1-5, Jesus is coming back with the saints and touching down on the Mount of Olives to do battle against the armies amassing unto Jerusalem. But in Revelation 20:1-6, Satan has been defeated and placed in the pit for a thousand years and then the "first resurrection" came when Jesus is already on the earth. So explain how that can be if your view is true?

    I'd say "first resurrection" was not testifying that there was no rapture of the saints before the great tribulation. The use of the term "first resurrection" is explained in Revelation 20:5. That means this resurrection of the saints left behind and new saints that died during the great tribulation was to be resurrected first before the rest of the dead gets resurrected later on ( hence referring to the great white throne judgment. ) Now believers will argue that doubting what first resurrection means is the same as doubting God's words. No, it does not when Revelation 20:5 explained for what reference "first resurrection" was to be applied as which was to only testify that resurrection was to happen first before the rest of the dead later on.

    Now the charge of doubting His words has to be levied on the other side in regards to Zechariah 14:1-5 when the Lord is coming back with His saints touching down on the Mount of Olives to do battle with the armies amassing unto Jerusalem. That means He is not meeting these saints in the air and Satan has not been defeated yet, and yet the saints are coming with Him. Then in Revelation 20:1-6, Satan is in the pit, so that means the armies amassing against Jerusalem is defeated and over also. So Jesus is on earth with the raptured saints as He will resurrect ONLY those saints as described as having gone through the great tribulation themselves.

    There are other points of contentions, but feel free to address the scripture for why I believe the way that I do.
     
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    4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

    ... and Scripture DOES tell us the YEAR, and we SHOULD know the FEAST. So that should narrow the issue down to a few days where NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR, -- because it's a FEW DAYS, and we DON'T know whether it's day #1, or #2, etc., and certainly not which hour.

    And it's ok to be ignorant, because ignorance can be cured.

    Take the "rapture" as an example. Scripture says the DEAD shall be raised prior to the "rapture", and Rev. 20 says the DEAD are not raised until the THOUSAND YEARS ARE ENDED. So there's NO tribulation era "rapture". It for when the New Jerusalem arrives and those who are alive and remain shall ascend to be with the LORD forever in the air.

    Of course, the full phrase is: "Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever." And GOD forbid that anyone be more than ignorant, -- which can be gladly cured and promulgated by Hosea 4:6! :)


    Bobby Jo
     
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    PLEASE don't believe any man, because men both fail, and because some men deceive:

    Matt. 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


    Check the Scriptures for yourself -- where we are exhorted to judge the prophets (1 Cor. 14:29) --, and it requires EVIDENCE to judge properly. It's hard work, but those that pursue the kingdom of heaven by ardent action shall receive the same.


    Bobby Jo
     
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    Where does scripture tell the year?
     
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    You appear to confuse the scope with the specifics. Perhaps verses 1-3 are the scope; and verses 4-8 are the details?

    And the same thing for verses 7-10, and verses 11-15.


    Did you think everything was chronological?
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Are you familiar with the book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", by J.R. Church, -- now deceased, but former Co-Host of the TV program "Prophecy In The News"?

    There's your year.
    Bobby Jo

    PS You don't have to buy the book. Simply follow the premise!
     
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    No, and if it's hidden, I'm not interested. That's why I asked for a verse, not a book. There's hundreds of books on end times, all with different theories. Sounds like one more guy trying to make a name for themselves. So, is this supposed to be the year, according to J.R.? You start out your post with stuff that is happening in the U.S. as proof of end times. That's enough to make me skeptical right there.
     
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    Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things which you have not known.

    So remain ignorant. We all choose.

    And I said you don't have to buy a book. Simply follow the premise, but you're too lazy, or too -- I forgot the word -- ...
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Some in the church are happy paying someone to tell them how to act, how to think, what to think, and what to do. They're called women.

    After Eve sinned, GOD made Adam her "head". But Adam's "head" was and still is GOD. So for every "man" who wants another "man" to be over him, -- he's a "woman".

    Of course Scripture specifies that each MAN be a FULL AND COMPLETE participant in the operation of the church, doing the RESEARCH, the PREPARATION, the PRESENTATION, and the JUDGEMENT:

    1 Cor. 14:26 What then, brethren? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

    Or they can be a "woman".


    Thus we see another sign that we ARE in the tribulation ...
    Bobby Jo
     
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