Again, what did Jesus promise the thief? Could he have been with Jesus in Paradise that day?
What does the Bible say? Jesus said that he would be in the heart of the earth just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish, for three days. Jonah was captive, held inside that fish, just as Jesus was captive inside his tomb for three days. He did not experience a resurrection until God raised him after that time. He did not go anywhere…..just as his friend Lazarus did not go anywhere when Jesus returned him to life. Lazarus was in his tomb for 4 days.
Add to that the fact that Jesus remained on earth for 40 days after his resurrection in spiritual form, (1 Pet 3:18) “appearing” to his disciples and others in physical form, as angels had done in times past, so the thief was NOT in paradise with Jesus that day at all.
Prove it. We know... or perhaps you don't believe in what it says in the Apostles Creed?
He descended into hell and the third day he arose again from the dead.
Just how do you know Jesus was not in Paradise that day and for 3 days? Can you prove biblically when he was buried in the tomb... the rock rolled away 3 days later... and the tomb was found empty.... where does it bible say he was for those 72 hours?
I agree with the placement of the comma and when Jesus said I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.... you have zero proof that Jesus was not with the thief at some timeThe comma belongs after the word “today” Because Jesus spoke of the coming resurrection, not the departing of the man’s spirit to join Jesus in paradise that day.
during those 72 hours.
Aunty Jane,What Jesus promised the thief was a resurrection in paradise on earth when the kingdom rules redeemed mankind. Jesus promised to resurrect the righteous as well as the unrighteous at that time. (John 5:28-29)
This man was not a disciple, but a thief paying his debt under the law. He had a last minute change of heart and a wonderful promise from Jesus that his death would not be permanent.
Since the Bible does not teach that we have a soul, but that we are a soul whilst ever we breathe, death is the end of this life. (Eccl 9:5, 10) There is no conscious part of man that survives death….it was the devil who told the woman she “surely will not die” and he has been promoting that lie ever since.
I'll have to adress your other points tomorrow or Tue as I simply have little time right now.
But one thing I have to ask you.
You say...Since the Bible does not teach that we have a soul, but that we are a soul whilst ever we breathe, death is the end of this life. (Eccl 9:5, 10) There is no conscious part of man that survives death….it was the devil who told the woman she “surely will not die” and he has been promoting that lie ever since.
Please explain then why the redundancy in this verse?
Matthew 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
It might be wise to note that in vs 20 they are told... 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
As to what Eve was told... Do you for one minute think she knew at the time what death was or the spiritual connection to things? Maybe God explained the facts of life to Adam and maybe not... but I doubt Adam took time to explain them to Eve....
She ate the fruit and did not die.... physically.
Also... what does this verse mean?
Ecclesiastes 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
Obviously something continues on when man dies.
Finally for tonight you say... You say...Since the Bible does not teach that we have a soul, but that we are a soul whilst ever we breathe, death is the end of this life. (Eccl 9:5, 10)
Paul disagrees with you... right here he says you have a soul
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.The following is making no mention at all to a soul or spirit.
BTW... Eccl 9 vs 5 For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten.
vs 10 ...Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol where you are going.