What Is A Methodist?

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In the 1920's the Methodist movement was so strong that 20% of the American population claimed to be Methodist. I think it was John Wesley that launched the Philadelphian church age and with it came a great deal of spiritual renewals. After that the church went its course and we had afterwords some spiritual uniques such as Dwight L Moody, Billy Sunday, and Billy Graham. Now I am not promoting Methodism, just bringing out the interesting doctrine of that particular faith at that particular time.

1. We believe, indeed, that "all Scripture is given by the inspiration of God.” We believe the written word of God to be the only and sufficient rule both of Christian faith and practice.

2. We do not place our religion, or any part of it, in being attached to any peculiar mode of speaking, any quaint or uncommon set of expressions.

3. Our religion does not lie in doing what God has not enjoined, or abstaining from what he hath not forbidden. It does not lie in the form of our apparel, in the posture of our body, or the covering of our heads; nor yet in abstaining from marriage, or from meats and drinks, which are all good if received with thanksgiving.

4. Nor, lastly, is he distinguished by laying the whole stress of religion on any single part of it

5. "What then is the mark? Who is a Methodist, according to your own account?" I answer: A Methodist is one who has "the love of God shed abroad in his heart by the Holy Ghost given unto him;" one who "loves the Lord his God with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his mind, and with all his strength. God is the joy of his heart, and the desire of his soul; which is constantly crying out, "Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee! My God and my all! Thou art the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever!"

6. He is therefore happy in God, yea, always happy, as having in him "a well of water springing up into everlasting life," and overflowing his soul with peace and joy. "Perfect love" having now "cast out fear," he "rejoices evermore." He "rejoices in the Lord always," even "in God his Saviour;" and in the Father, "through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom he hath now received the atonement." "Having" found "redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of his sins," he cannot but rejoice, whenever he looks back on the horrible pit out of which he is delivered; when he sees "all his transgressions blotted out as a cloud, and his iniquities as a thick cloud." He cannot but rejoice, whenever he looks on the state wherein he now is; "being justified freely, and having peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." For "he that believeth, hath the witness" of this "in himself;" being now the son of God by faith. "Because he is a son, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into his heart, crying, Abba, Father!" And "the Spirit itself beareth witness with his spirit, that he is a child of God." He rejoiceth also, whenever he looks forward, "in hope of the glory that shall be revealed;" yea, this his joy is full, and all his bones cry out, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who, according to his abundant mercy, hath begotten me again to a living hope -- of an inheritance incorruptible, undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for me!"

7. And he who hath this hope, thus "full of immortality, in everything giveth thanks;" as knowing that this (whatsoever it is) "is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning him." From him, therefore, he cheerfully receives all, saying, "Good is the will of the Lord;" and whether the Lord giveth or taketh away, equally "blessing the name of the Lord." For he hath "learned, in whatsoever state he is, therewith to be content." He knoweth "both how to be abased and how to abound

8. For indeed he "prays without ceasing." It is given him "always to pray, and not to faint.”

9. And while he thus always exercises his love to God, by praying without ceasing, rejoicing evermore, and in everything giving thanks, this commandment is written in his heart, "That he who loveth God, love his brother also." And he accordingly loves his neighbour as himself; he loves every man as his own soul. His heart is full of love to all mankind, to every child of "the Father of the spirits of all flesh

10. For he is "pure in heart." The love of God has purified his heart from all revengeful passions, from envy, malice, and wrath, from every unkind temper or malign affection. It hath cleansed him from pride and haughtiness of spirit, whereof alone cometh contention. And he hath now "put on bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering:" So that he "forbears and forgives, if he had a quarrel against any; even as God in Christ hath forgiven him." And indeed all possible ground for contention, on his part, is utterly cut off. For none can take from him what he desires; seeing he "loves not the world, nor" any of "the things of the world;" being now "crucified to the world, and the world crucified to him;" being dead to all that is in the world, both to "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life." For "all his desire is unto God, and to the remembrance of his name."

11. Agreeable to this his one desire, is the one design of his life, namely, "not to do his own will, but the will of Him that sent him." His one intention at all times and in all things is, not to please himself, but Him whom his soul loveth. He has a single eye. And because "his eye is single, his whole body is full of light." Indeed, where the loving eye of the soul is continually fixed upon God, there can be no darkness at all, "but the whole is light; as when the bright shining of a candle doth enlighten the house." God then reigns alone. All that is in the soul is holiness to the Lord. There is not a motion in his heart, but is according to his will. Every thought that arises points to Him, and is in obedience to the law of Christ.

12. And the tree is known by its fruits. For as he loves God, so he keeps his commandments; not only some, or most of them, but all, from the least to the greatest. He is not content to "keep the whole law, and offend in one point;" but has, in all points, "a conscience void of offence towards God and towards man."

13. All the commandments of God he accordingly keeps, and that with all his might. For his obedience is in proportion to his love, the source from whence it flows. And therefore, loving God with all his heart, he serves him with all his strength.

14. By consequence, whatsoever he doeth, it is all to the glory of God. His one invariable rule is this, "Whatsoever ye do, in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."

15. Nor do the customs of the world at all hinder his "running the race that is set before him." He knows that vice does not lose its nature, though it becomes ever so fashionable; and remembers, that "every man is to give an account of himself to God." He cannot, therefore, "follow" even "a multitude to do evil." He cannot "fare sumptuously every day," or "make provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof." He cannot "lay up treasures upon earth," any more than he can take fire into his bosom. He cannot "adorn himself," on any pretence, "with gold or costly apparel." He cannot join in or countenance any diversion which has the least tendency to vice of any kind. He cannot "speak evil" of his neighbour, any more than he can lie either for God or man. He cannot utter an unkind word of any one; for love keeps the door of his lips. He cannot speak "idle words;" "no corrupt communication" ever "comes out of his mouth," as is all that "which is" not "good to the use of edifying," not "fit to minister grace to the hearers." But "whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are" justly "of good report," he thinks, and speaks, and acts, "adorning the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ in all things."

16. Lastly. As he has time, he "does good unto all men;" unto neighbours and strangers, friends and enemies: And that in every possible kind; not only to their bodies, by "feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting those that are sick or in prison;" but much more does he labour to do good to their souls, as of the ability which God giveth; to awaken those that sleep in death; to bring those who are awakened to the atoning blood, that, "being justified by faith, they may have peace with God;" and to provoke those who have peace with God to abound more in love and in good works.

17. These are the principles and practices of our sect; these are the marks of a true Methodist. By these alone do those who are in derision so called, desire to be distinguished from other men. If any man say, "Why, these are only the common fundamental principles of Christianity!" thou hast said; so I mean; this is the very truth; I know they are no other; and I would to God both thou and all men knew, that I, and all who follow my judgment, do vehemently refuse to be distinguished from other men, by any but the common principles of Christianity, -- the plain, old Christianity that I teach, renouncing and detesting all other marks of distinction. And having the mind that was in Christ, he so walks as Christ also walked.

18. By these marks, by these fruits of a living faith, do we labour to distinguish ourselves from the unbelieving world from all those whose minds or lives are not according to the Gospel of Christ.
 

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"What is a Methodist" is taken from the devotions of John Wesley. There was a time that the Philadelphian church age really took a hold here in the mountain folk of Virginia. A TV show captured this called "The Waltons." Interesting to see Michael Learned still looking good at 71! http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/memba_them#tab=memba_them&id=83901
 

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I have always loved the writings of John Wesley
 

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I have always loved the writings of John Wesley

J
ohn Wesley simply didn't desire for Methodism to be a denomination but a group of people who loved the Lord within a denomination. He also didn't like the ecclesiastical directions Francis Asbury was taking the denomination. So a true Methodist may attend an Orthodox, Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, Anglican, Presbyterian, or some other denomination and still be a Methodist. Here is a letter where John Wesley slams Francis Asbury over the issue...


London, September 20, 1788


To The Reverend[sup]1[/sup] Francis Asbury:


There is, indeed, a wide difference between the relation that you stand with the Americans, and the relation where I stand with all Methodists. You are the elder brother of the American Methodists: I am, under God, the Father of the whole family. Therefore I naturally care for you all in a manner no other persons can do. Therefore, I, in a measure, provide for you all, for the supplies which Dr Coke provides for you, he could not provide, were it not for me, were it not only permit him to collect, but also support him in so doing.

But, in one point, my dear brother, I am a little afraid, both the Dr and you differ from me. I study to be little, you study to be great. I creep, you strut along. I found a school, you a College! Nay, and call it after your own names[sup]2[/sup]! O beware! Do not seek to be something! Let me be nothing and “Christ be all in all!”

One instance of this, of your greatness, has given me great concern. How can you, how dare you, suffer yourself to be called Bishop? I shudder, I start at the very thought! Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content: But they shall never, by my consent, call me Bishop! For my sake, for God’s sake, for Christ’s sake, put a full end to this! Let the Presbyterians do what they please, but let the Methodist know their calling better.

Thus, my dear Franky, I have told you all that is in my heart. And let this, when I am no more seen, bear witness how sincerely I am your affectionate friend and brother.

John Wesley


Footnotes:

1. He didn't call him 'Bishop Asbury.'
2. Cokesbury College - The name is formed from its two founders, Coke and Asbury.





 

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hm, i might need to check out a methodist church.

You don't have to attend a Methodist church to be a Methodist! I believe you can be one right where you are!

Seven Methods similar to what Wesley taught in the metaphor of the Old Testament temple...

1. Justification - Faith - The outer wall of the temple
*** Find brothers and sisters willing to believe with you for greater things!
2. Salvation - The Sinners Prayer - The alter
*** He that winneth souls is wise! - Proverbs 11:30
3. Sanctification - The place to wash and be clean - The Laver
4. Bible Reading - Make bible reading a routine! - The table of shewbread
5. Spiritual Light - There should be a light burning brighter at this point - The Lampstand
6. Prayer and praise - Have in home prayer and praise meetings. -The Alter of the Golden Incense
7. The Shekinah Glory - You should be close to a revival! - The Ark of the Covenant

These 'Methods' can be exercised in any church in any part of the world. I have tried to put these devotions to video in a true Methodist light...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=SID1FZZDtPw

I must also point out that many Methodists have forgotten the standard of true Methodism and have become like any other church on any other corner. My family has deep roots in the Methodist church and today the only thing my family remembers of the Methodist church was that they didn't believe in playing cards or drinking. They have totally forgotten the quality of good people this church produced.
 

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I follow and beleive the words of the bible, that sounds like a methodist, but truley I am Christ's disciple
 

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You don't have to attend a Methodist church to be a Methodist! I believe you can be one right where you are!
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i can see it now, What are you doing ??/

Well pastor i was told i could be a methodist where ever i was .

well that might true for some other churches -------- but its not going to be true in this Lutheran church .
and thats about as long as my methodism would last. . :D
 

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I follow and beleive the words of the bible, that sounds like a methodist, but truley I am Christ's disciple

Disciple... And a quality poster on this board!

horsecamp... The old Methodist use to be known as the shouting Methodist! ...I do believe without a doubt... That every Methodist likes to shout!

http://alaskandreams.net/ekklesia/Shouting%20Methodists.htm
 

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Disciple... And a quality poster on this board!

horsecamp... The old Methodist use to be known as the shouting Methodist! ...I do believe without a doubt... That every Methodist likes to shout!

http://alaskandreams.net/ekklesia/Shouting%20Methodists.htm



a look into one of our churchs worship services .

http://vimeo.com/21369408
 

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I find Protestant denominations have certainly got a better grasp and teaching of the Gospel message than The Eastern Orthodox & Catholic Churches where they have lost the plot when it comes to the Bible and embrace their own teachings and traditions far more than encouraging their congregations to read the Bible for themselves.

I am not a Prostestant from my family background but I certainly have embraced going to a good Protestant Church over a Catholic or Eastern Orthodox any day.

When I became a Christian I left my parents traditional Church and went to Protestant Churches. However over the years I never formally joined any Church Denomination I have been attending.

When I say Protestant I have realised I am talking about the older established Church denominations that fall under this description, Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, Anglican (& if i have missed any my apologies). Here in Australia the Methodist and some other denominations like this found they had such small numbers they made a fatal mistake to join with some other Protestant denominations. What happened is they had to make theological and doctrinal compromises. They became what we refer to as the Uniting Church. The first denomination here to accept Homosexual ministers.

However many other denominations have here and there gone the same way, liberalisation crept in and compromises to the Word of God had worn away their previous stance on various teachings. So we have Gay Bishops in the Anglican Church in America, not here in Australia yet. Give us time I am sure we will catch up with this trend.

I take each Church I attend individually. Even though you say what is the Methodist Church. It depends where you attend and who is the Minister and what kind of congregation go to that Methodist Church. I think many, many years ago this was not the case but it is today. An Anglican Church in Sydney Australia is far more staunch in adhering to the Bible in many areas than are some of their American counterparts who have embraced Homosexual Ministers & Bishops.

In the end as I have said before I join NO Denomination because I have realised there is No Denomination in God's eyes.

EPH 4:1 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit-- just as you were called to one hope when you were called-- 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Our Earthly Church Denominations are still good places to fellowship especially if you can find one today that still stands on the Gospel centered in Christ and takes the Bible seriously (not liberal).

I have family that still attend either a Catholic or Eastern Orthodox church (we have mixed marriages in my family). I know that several who still attend these traditional Churches are Saved Believers and do read the Bible and have a Faith based on repentance and salvation in Christ. It is a shame they are going to a Church that I know has very little teaching on God's Word and in the Truth of God.

In the end it isn't what Church we attend that matters but have your repented and received salvation through Christ?

If you are a Saved Believer do read your Bible. Preferably not a Catholic one. There are plenty of good versions still out there. I would give anything that sprung up recently a miss (most of the shamefully have liberalised the Word of God). You can't go too wrong with a decent King James and American Standard, New International or one of my favourites an Amplified. If you want something more to the original Hebrew or Ancient Greek there a few good ones out there as well. Some people I know were handed a Gideons when they first came to Christ and still use that Bible version. I like to have a few versions for comparison and study purposes. Do get a good conservative mainstream Bible version to start off with to help you get grounded in God's Word.

My mother-in-law was a Methodist and really hated the fact they were swallowed up by the Uniting Church here in Australia. She wasn't a Church goer but it was more for sentimental reasons. I believe there were a few rogue Methodist Churches that remained independant but they are few and far between over here.
 

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I used to attend a Methodist church when I was young.
They were more laid back then the Baptist I grew up with.
Many of the young people I knew and grew up with kinda of fell away as if they had soft foundation.
I thought the sprinkling was to casual and feel people should be submerged.

I don't know if all United Methodist are the same but when the Newpapers reported Hillary Clinton being a United Methodist her claiming that her preacher said that God was a woman I decided to never enter the United Methodist church.
My Mother was very liberal and accepted every liberal idea and she liked the United Methodist church which was a soft on abortion and allowed most anything.
My Mum was a spiritual weakling

Are United Methodist all are extremely liberal?
 

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There is a sort of war within the United Methodist Church much like there are in many denominations. Much of it is Liberal, but not all of it.

My disclaimer is I've attended both Baptist and Methodist churches as a member.

If you ever read John Wesley - well just read him. He was a man on fire for the Lord and less into denominationalism as was already stated. I don't think, personally, he would be all together too happy with modern Methodism. However, some of the liberal roots - hardly things like God is a woman, etc., though - probably do stem from what he taught/believed.

Here is a quote I recently read while reading some excerpts from Charles Spurgeon's autobiography:

Most atrocious things have been spoken about the character and spiritual condition of John Wesley, the modern prince of Arminians. I can only say concerning him that, while I detest many of the doctrines that he preached, yet for the man himself I have a reverence second to no Wesleyan; and if there were wanted two apostles to be added to the number of the Twelve, I do not not believe that there could be found two men more fit to be so added than George Whitfield and John Wesley. The character of John Wesley stands beyond all imputation for self-sacrifice, zeal, holiness, and communion with God; he lived far above the ordinary level of common Christians and was one of whom the world was not worthy.

This particular quote comes from The Essential Works of Charles Spurgeon, page 64.

Coming from a Calvinist, I think that is a major compliment because these two guys were at odds on many beliefs. (However, if you read Spurgeon you realize he knew of the balance and was not "hyper-Calvinist" as he is often portrayed.)
 

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This particular quote comes from The Essential Works of Charles Spurgeon, page 64.

Coming from a Calvinist, I think that is a major compliment because these two guys were at odds on many beliefs. (However, if you read Spurgeon you realize he knew of the balance and was not "hyper-Calvinist" as he is often portrayed.)

John Wesley was an Arminian and the Calvinistic argument did divide Methodism, in which George Whitefield and followers went the Calvinistic direction. I believe the Free Will Baptist church came from Whitefield's efforts, in which if you like arguing doctrine these are the people you must fall in with!
 

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This particular quote comes from The Essential Works of Charles Spurgeon, page 64.

Coming from a Calvinist, I think that is a major compliment because these two guys were at odds on many beliefs. (However, if you read Spurgeon you realize he knew of the balance and was not "hyper-Calvinist" as he is often portrayed.)

Calvin was alienated by his Calvinistic friends later in his life do to a so called "Down-grade" article he had wrote.
 

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Well, they become a casualty of the typical error. I like to call it polarization, but it probably has a better name. I'm not well versed in theological terms, to be honest. However, this is another topic so it's best for another thread. I would be interested in talking about it, though, because I think it's one of the most egregious errors of modern Christianity.

In the case of John Wesley and the Methodists, I greatly respect their ability to "do" for God. I see the modern Methodist practice - at least locally - built on the idea that we don't just sit around and talk about faith. We go live it by helping the community around us. This seemed to be true about Wesley as well based on his writings that I've read.
 

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Calvin was alienated by his Calvinistic friends later in his life do to a so called "Down-grade" article he had wrote.

Oops! That was suppose to read Spurgeon alienated by his Calvinistic friends later in his life do to a so called "Down-grade" article he had wrote.