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'Who maketh His angels spirits;
His ministers a flaming fire:'

(Psalms 104:4 & Hebrews 1:7)

* God also makes His angels 'spirits'. They are spoken of as such elsewhere in Scripture, e.g., 1 Peter 3:19.

'By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient,
when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,
while the ark was a preparing,
wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.'

(1 Peter 3:19-20)

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
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'Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,
and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure;
but He for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness.'

(Heb 12:9-10)

* This verse urges us, we who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, to be in subjection to the Author and Giver of our spirits, for through Him, we shall live in resurrection life.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
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The flesh is weak and corrupt ,that's why it won't rise.

I'm not convinced that 1 Cor 15:50-58 (ESV) teaches that:

50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:

“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?”

56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labour is not in vain (emphasis added).​

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I'm not convinced that 1 Cor 15:50-58 (ESV) teaches that:

50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:

“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?”

56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labour is not in vain (emphasis added).​

Oz

Let's start at v35

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

By placing the Word of God in your mind, it becomes the standard for all of your thought, and it directs the intents of your mind, which is you heart. Christ is the Living Word, and He can discern the intent of your mind, you can't fool Him. Within man's soul is his spirit, and the spirit is the intellect part of His thought process.

You have to be able to separate those things to understand the resurrection. Paul is now going to explain our flesh body to us, not the soul, the spirit, or our thought process, but our flesh and blood body.

I Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:"

Paul is comparing our flesh body with other living things, such as a grain of wheat. When the seed is separated from its parent plant it is as naked as a new born baby. This is the body of the wheat, and this is not the grain that you see coming for in new plants next year. This seed of wheat that you set aside for the next years crop is what must die before it can raise up again in a new form. That body of wheat is gone, and that is what happens to our flesh. It must die before the new beautiful spiritual body can come forth.

The flesh body must die and be buried in the ground, for no where is it recorded that a flesh body will resurrect from the dead. Christ's body did rise again, for it paid the price for our sins for one and all times. However, when Christ's body came out of the tomb, it had to be transfigured or flesh man simply could not see Him.

The body of the wheat or of flesh that dies and is planted in the ground is not the same body that springs forth into new life. It is the Spiritual body that ascends to be with the Father, not the flesh. Again the subject is the physical body.

When you plant any seed, flowers, corn, or wheat, there is an embryo deep inside of the body of that plant. As the body of the parent plant decays, it feeds this little embryo that is deep within that seed or kernel of corn. Then when the water, and temperature, and soil are just right, then that embryo springs forth into new life, and a new plant is formed. That is exactly as it is with our flesh body, the old flesh body must die before the new life of our new spiritual of soul body can come forth. The time that it takes for the new spiritual life to come from the death of the old flesh body is instant.

The instant that the flesh body dies, the soul and spirit body is present with the Lord that gave it in the first place. The flesh decays back into the elements of the earth that it is made of, and your soul returns to the Father. Paul could not have made it more simpler than the using of a grain of wheat in comparison to our flesh bodies. Just as all of nature functions, so it is with man.
 

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'Who maketh His angels spirits;
His ministers a flaming fire:'

(Psalms 104:4 & Hebrews 1:7)

* God also makes His angels 'spirits'. They are spoken of as such elsewhere in Scripture, e.g., 1 Peter 3:19.

'By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient,
when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,
while the ark was a preparing,
wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.'

(1 Peter 3:19-20)

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I'm thinking this is to all who have died

I Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"

The purpose for Jesus Christ's coming to earth and living in the flesh, was so that He would die on the cross for your sins. Jesus was just [righteous] in all manner of His flesh life, and in His death "the Just" suffered for the sins of the unjust. Jesus Christ came to earth to die so that you do not need to go to hell, but by your faith in Him and belief in what Jesus has done on the cross, through your repentance to the Father in Jesus name you can be saved. It is your soul that receives eternal life, and when this flesh body dies and is laid in the ground, it is your spirit and soul that is quickened, or goes on living eternally. That is the work of the Holy Spirit, giving you new changed life, where there was only a dead soul before. Jesus died to bring all souls to the Father.

If you ever had any question as to what part of Jesus died on the cross, you have it right here. Jesus Christ's flesh body was died, whereas His spiritual body was quickened or made alive by His Spirit. Jesus was spiritually alive when He descended into the prison to preach to those lost souls.

I Peter 3:19 "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison,"

These spirits that Christ preached to in prison, where the spirits of the saints that died prior to His death on the cross.

I Peter 3:20 "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering for God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Not the word "sometime", they were not disobedient all the time like the fallen angels, but were disobedient while living in the flesh body. Do you think that it was the whether that saved those adamic souls? They were saved from the water, and the reason that God saved them is given in Genesis 6:9; "THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

The key to understanding this verse is in the word "perfect", for in the Hebrew text, it is the word "tamin", which means "without blemish as to breed or pedigree." In Genesis 6:1-7, when men started to multiply on the face of the earth, daughters were born to them. When the sons of God beheld the daughters of men, they desired them. Many "sons of God" or fallen angels left their place of habitation in the heavens and came to earth and multiplied with those daughters of flesh man, and from them came the Nethinim. This is what the book of Jude is all about.

Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

These were the giants of old, and through the years to the time of Noah, all souls on earth were contaminated by cross marriage, to where there was only Noah, His wife, and their family that were pure in pedigree, or their lineage blood line. It was the half breed creatures of giants, that came from the union of the daughters of men, and the fallen angels that left their first estate, that were the ones that the flood of Noah's day was to eliminate. Jesus tells us in Matthew 24:37-39 that in the time just before His coming it will be just as it was in Noah's day.

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I Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"

The purpose for Jesus Christ's coming to earth and living in the flesh, was so that He would die on the cross for your sins. Jesus was just [righteous] in all manner of His flesh life, and in His death "the Just" suffered for the sins of the unjust. Jesus Christ came to earth to die so that you do not need to go to hell, but by your faith in Him and belief in what Jesus has done on the cross, through your repentance to the Father in Jesus name you can be saved. It is your soul that receives eternal life, and when this flesh body dies and is laid in the ground, it is your spirit and soul that is quickened, or goes on living eternally. That is the work of the Holy Spirit, giving you new changed life, where there was only a dead soul before. Jesus died to bring all souls to the Father.

If you ever had any question as to what part of Jesus died on the cross, you have it right here. Jesus Christ's flesh body was died, whereas His spiritual body was quickened or made alive by His Spirit. Jesus was spiritually alive when He descended into the prison to preach to those lost souls.
Hello @n2thelight.

Thank you for responding.

The Lord Jesus Christ did indeed die in our place, taking our sin upon Himself, thus paying it's penalty. Praise God! The JUST for the unjust.

By believing God, and trusting in the sacrificial work of Christ on our behalf, the believer has indeed been saved by God's grace. Our souls shall live in resurrection life, as promised by the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

* (The 'soul' being the whole being)

At death Christ died, and was buried, but was raised to life on the third day. He was quickened into life. Praise God! So, too by God's resurrection power, we too will be quickened into life at resurrection. Until then we are, in the sight of God, reckoned to be 'asleep in Christ'.
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I Peter 3:19 "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison,"

These spirits that Christ preached to in prison, where the spirits of the saints that died prior to His death on the cross.

I Peter 3:20 "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering for God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
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* The 'spirits' referred to here in 1 Peter, were the angels that were disobedient, for they left their first estate, and took wives of the daughters of men, as referred to in Jude 6, which resulted ultimately in the destruction of the world by flood in the days of Noah.

In Christ Jesus
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* The 'spirits' referred to here in 1 Peter, were the angels that were disobedient, for they left their first estate, and took wives of the daughters of men, as referred to in Jude 6, which resulted ultimately in the destruction of the world by flood in the days of Noah.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

They(the angels) had no reason to be preached to ,as their fate was sealed .These are the 7000 that die instantly when Christ feet hit the ground.

Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Within the hour, the earthquake that is going to split the mount of Olives will take place. A way, or path will be made for Christ's children to make it back to Him.
 

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I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

n2t,

1 Cor 15:22 states, 'For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive' (ESV).

1 Cor 15:36, 'You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies' (ESV).

In 1 Cor 15:22, 'all will be made alive' is 'pantes' (all) 'zwopoiethesontai' (will be made alive), the latter verb being future tense, indicative mood, passive voice of zwopoiew. This verb is a late one that also was used by Aristotle to mean 'to make alive, give life to' as here in 1 Cor 15:22 (Bauer, Arndt & Gingrich Greek Lexicon 1957:342).

The meaning is fairly straight forward: All believers will be made alive in the future. The context (v. 23) indicates that this refers to 'those who belong to him' (NIV) / 'they that are Christ's' (KJV). This happens at Christ's Parousia for Christians.

The analogy in 1 Cor 15:36 is very different to that in 1 Cor 15:22-23. In v. 36 Paul is comparing with plant life where 'in plant life death prededes life, death of the seed and then the new plant' (A T Robertson).

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The meaning is fairly straight forward: All believers will be made alive in the future. The context (v. 23) indicates that this refers to 'those who belong to him' (NIV) / 'they that are Christ's' (KJV). This happens at Christ's Parousia for Christians.

The analogy in 1 Cor 15:36 is very different to that in 1 Cor 15:22-23. In v. 36 Paul is comparing with plant life where 'in plant life death prededes life, death of the seed and then the new plant' (A T Robertson).

Oz

Nobody is dead yet,we have been alive since God first made us, millions of years ago.The point is to stay alive and that is only through Christ
 

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Nobody is dead yet,we have been alive since God first made us, millions of years ago.The point is to stay alive and that is only through Christ

This sounds like you believe in the pre-existence of human beings before conception. Is that your belief? If so, pre-existence was condemned as heresy in the Second Council of Constantinople in AD 553. The anathema was pronounced on those who believed it.

Mormons believe it today. Are you associated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?
 

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They (the angels) had no reason to be preached to, as their fate was sealed .These are the 7000 that die instantly when Christ feet hit the ground.
'For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,
the just for the unjust,
that He might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh,
but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

which sometime were disobedient,
when once the longsuffering of God waited
in the days of Noah,
while the ark was a preparing,
wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.'

(1 Peter 3:18)

Hello @n2thelight,

* Man is never referred to as 'spirit'. Also man's 'spirit' returns to God at death.

* The Lord Jesus Christ (in His risen body) which is a spiritual body: having flesh and bones such as we have (Luke 24:39); went to the spirits (angels: or 'in-the-prison-pneumata') which are imprisoned in Tartaroo; to PROCLAIM or HERALD (the word translated 'preach') to them His victory over death and the grave. He triumphed over them in other words.

* The Lord has ascended into Heaven, to God's right hand, where angels, authorities and powers have been made subject to Him (1 Peter 3:22).

Praise God!

* The 'angels' of verse 18, who were once disobedient, are set in contrast with the angels of verse 22: who are referred to as 'subject' to, or
obedient to Christ. So, as you can see, the context confirms the 'spirits' to be 'angels' and also confirms the nature of the proclamation made to them by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Let's start at v35

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?
We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

By placing the Word of God in your mind, it becomes the standard for all of your thought, and it directs the intents of your mind, which is you heart. Christ is the Living Word, and He can discern the intent of your mind, you can't fool Him. Within man's soul is his spirit, and the spirit is the intellect part of His thought process.

You have to be able to separate those things to understand the resurrection. Paul is now going to explain our flesh body to us, not the soul, the spirit, or our thought process, but our flesh and blood body.

I Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:"

Paul is comparing our flesh body with other living things, such as a grain of wheat. When the seed is separated from its parent plant it is as naked as a new born baby. This is the body of the wheat, and this is not the grain that you see coming for in new plants next year. This seed of wheat that you set aside for the next years crop is what must die before it can raise up again in a new form. That body of wheat is gone, and that is what happens to our flesh. It must die before the new beautiful spiritual body can come forth.

The flesh body must die and be buried in the ground, for no where is it recorded that a flesh body will resurrect from the dead. Christ's body did rise again, for it paid the price for our sins for one and all times. However, when Christ's body came out of the tomb, it had to be transfigured or flesh man simply could not see Him.

The body of the wheat or of flesh that dies and is planted in the ground is not the same body that springs forth into new life. It is the Spiritual body that ascends to be with the Father, not the flesh. Again the subject is the physical body.

When you plant any seed, flowers, corn, or wheat, there is an embryo deep inside of the body of that plant. As the body of the parent plant decays, it feeds this little embryo that is deep within that seed or kernel of corn. Then when the water, and temperature, and soil are just right, then that embryo springs forth into new life, and a new plant is formed. That is exactly as it is with our flesh body, the old flesh body must die before the new life of our new spiritual of soul body can come forth. The time that it takes for the new spiritual life to come from the death of the old flesh body is instant.

The instant that the flesh body dies, the soul and spirit body is present with the Lord that gave it in the first place. The flesh decays back into the elements of the earth that it is made of, and your soul returns to the Father. Paul could not have made it more simpler than the using of a grain of wheat in comparison to our flesh bodies. Just as all of nature functions, so it is with man.


n2thelight says >> "The flesh body must die and be buried in the ground, for no where is it recorded that a flesh body will resurrection from the dead."

And that is where your train comes off the tracks. Scripture says a whole lot about the resurrection of the body. How about

"So Jesus then said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead . . . The man who had died came forth, bound hand and foot with wrappings, and his face was wrapped around with a cloth." John 11

Sounds like a bodily resurrection to me! And then how about all those got up out of their graves bodily, at the time of Jesus' resurrection??

"The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many." Matthew 27:52

As Paul confirms, our hope is in the redemption of our bodies:

"And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you." Romans 8:11

"We ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies." Romans 8:22

From early on, Scripture confirms that when we die, "our body returns to the dust it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7

So . . if our body has returned to dust, how can that pile of dust it be resurrected? Probably the same way God created Adam in the first place, and it is addressed in Scripture:

"Your dead will live; Their bodies will rise. You who lie in the dust [dust, clay, earth], awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits." Isaiah 26:19

"I rejoice in Your salvation. . . .
He raises the poor from the dust,
He lifts the needy from the ash heap
To make them sit with nobles,
And inherit a seat of honor;"
1 Samuel 2:8

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Sounds to me the dead will first arise from their graves, and then be changed to their eternal state:

"who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body." Philippians 3:21

Don't ask me to explain any of this. To me, it is a total mystery that I don't understand, but I do understand that Scripture says it.
 
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Well scripture teaches us that what is seen was created by that which is not seen. So the physical is a creation of the spiritual. Now spiritual uses physical to manifest itself in the physical realm. But physical cannot comprehend the spiritual without having a spiritual mind towards it. Which is why God says we must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
Spirit is our life source...God breathed the spirit of life into his physical creation. But the physical body is dead and unable to survive without their spirit in them.
Does it have mass...mass is physical. So I would have to say no. Because mass is a collective of matter.
Editing....it does seem that the spiritual can appear as physical ..such as angels appearing to Mary and so forth...
This is a good question.

I agree, this is a very good question, and one I still find to be hard to understand. I think of the spiritual, kind of like heaven being reflected onto us, like a mirror- and the world is more like the opposite of heaven...things are backwards in a mirror...and as we see things as through a glass darkly now, we know the day will come when Jesus makes it right side up and clear again :)
 

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This sounds like you believe in the pre-existence of human beings before conception. Is that your belief? If so, pre-existence was condemned as heresy in the Second Council of Constantinople in AD 553. The anathema was pronounced on those who believed it.

Mormons believe it today. Are you associated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?

Yes I believe that we were all created at the same time,as for mormonism I'm not.The book of Job gives it to ya

God asked Job where was he when He created this earth. At the creation of this earth all the stars and the sons of God shouted for joy,they saw what He did and were very happy about it.

Job 38:4 "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding."

Do we have understanding?

Job 38:5 "Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?"



Who has determined the measurement of the sun, moon, and earth, and placed the line or signs of the constellations around the earth?



Job 38:6 "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;"



God is asking, what holds this earth exactly where it is, do you know Job? do you know Elihu? Stop and think for a moment of all the laws of God, those dealing with gravity, with magnetism, with heat and pressures and all the other things that go to make up the atmosphere of the earth that we live on, and rely on for our life, as we live here in these flesh bodies. This sets our Heavenly Father in a class all by Himself. Man is nothing compared to the Creator.



Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?"



Who were these "sons of God" [the stars that sang], and when did these sons of God sing for Joy? We are talking about the angels here, that sang before the establishment of this earth age of the flesh. All souls were there and Satan also was there with all of them. Some how the people of this earth age are trying to forget Satan and the role that he played at the rebellion in that first earth age. We see that Satan was not in the conversation with Job and his friends at this time. They all have overlooked the overall plan of God. However had Job known the plan of God, where would he have been then, when the foundations of this earth were laid and the angels were rejoicing? Of course He would have been there with the rest of them, where we all were. You see, we the elect of God were chosen before the foundations of this earth were laid, and so was Job.



Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world [age], that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"



Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children of Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,"
 

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n2thelight says >> "The flesh body must die and be buried in the ground, for no where is it recorded that a flesh body will resurrection from the dead."

And that is where your train comes off the tracks. Scripture says a whole lot about the resurrection of the body. How about

"So Jesus then said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead . . . The man who had died came forth, bound hand and foot with wrappings, and his face was wrapped around with a cloth." John 11

Sounds like a bodily resurrection to me! And then how about all those got up out of their graves bodily, at the time of Jesus' resurrection??

"The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many." Matthew 27:52

As Paul confirms, our hope is in the redemption of our bodies:

"And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you." Romans 8:11

"We ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies." Romans 8:22

From early on, Scripture confirms that when we die, "our body returns to the dust it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7

So . . if our body has returned to dust, how can that pile of dust it be resurrected? Probably the same way God created Adam in the first place, and it is addressed in Scripture:

"Your dead will live; Their bodies will rise. You who lie in the dust [dust, clay, earth], awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits." Isaiah 26:19

"I rejoice in Your salvation. . . .
He raises the poor from the dust,
He lifts the needy from the ash heap
To make them sit with nobles,
And inherit a seat of honor;"
1 Samuel 2:8

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Sounds to me the dead will first arise from their graves, and then be changed to their eternal state:

"who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body." Philippians 3:21

Don't ask me to explain any of this. To me, it is a total mystery that I don't understand, but I do understand that Scripture says it.

Read the below chapter from John

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I have already read it and quoted it. All the same words are still there. Were you trying to make a point?

All good ,we all shall stand before our Father on our own,what I say on these forums ,I shall be judged by,I'm comfortable with that.

Just planting seeds,and I still say the flesh won't rise