What is : imputed Righteousness

[Behold]

...and what does it look like? Does it look like we can burn the wicked just like you say God does, if they don't jump through our hoops?

"burn the wicked"?

Well, maybe if you are a Pope or John Calvin, as they burned a lot of people.
The "cult of Mary" burned Joan of Arc and later they revised that evil deed as .."Saint Joan of Arc".

When the bishops were watching her burn, she was calling on "Jesus" and they decided they had made a mistake.
"Too late".

"Redo", = Lets make her a Saint and hope that noone realizes what we've done.


Also, the Christian is to love everyone, and hold no unforgiveness in your heart.

The damnation of the Christ Rejecter, never born again, is God's eternal situation for them.

John 3 36

 

[quietthinker]

the Christian is to love everyone, and hold no unforgiveness in your heart.

but God does hold unforgiveness?

 

[quietthinker]

"burn the wicked"?

isn't that what you say God will do?

 

[Behold]

but God does hold unforgiveness?

God sets Holy standards, and the standards are not an option, or an opinion.

God sent Jesus down here and told us.... "if you want to come to me, then go to Jesus", and if you are not going to do it, then you will not be with me, after you die.".

A.) Final answer

And here is the thing.,,,,

Because of the FalL, the adamic nature is who we are... and that nature is Satanic.

Notice..."you are of YOUR FATHER the DEVIL, that the lusts of your Father, (SIN) you will DO".

So, the reason you go to hell, is because that is where the children of their father end up, to begin with, and its gets worse for them.,,

Its really this simple.,,,,

= Hell, and The lake of fire were created before Adam was created.
Lucifer was sent down here, before Adam showed up.
God had already created HELL for Lucifer and His fallen angels.
So, .. because the unbeliever is a child , a spiritual child of the devil, they go to the place that was created for the devil, unless they are born again, by God who then becomes their Spiritual Father.

This is why Jesus told you that you must be born again...as if you are not, you remain '"""OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL""", and you will go to what was created for Him... after you die, unless you CHANGE Spiritual FATHER'S, by being born again..
As when you are born again by GOD, you become HIS SON...

See it?

"you must be BORN AGAIN"< Jesus told you.

 

[quietthinker]

God sets Holy standards, and the standards are not an option, or an opinion.

God sent Jesus down here and told us.... "if you want to come to me, then go to Jesus", and if you are not going to do it, then you will not be with me, after you die.".

A.) Final answer

And here is the thing.,,,,

Because of the FalL, the adamic nature is who we are... and that nature is Satanic.

Notice..."you are of YOUR FATHER the DEVIL, that the lusts of your Father, (SIN) you will DO".

So, the reason you go to hell, is because that is where the children of their father end up, to begin with, and its gets worse for them.,,

Its really this simple.,,,,

= Hell, and The lake of fire were created before Adam was created.
Lucifer was sent down here, before Adam showed up.
God had already created HELL for Lucifer and His fallen angels.
So, .. because the unbeliever is a child , a spiritual child of the devil, they go to the place that was created for the devil, unless they are born again, by God who then becomes their Spiritual Father.

This is why Jesus told you that you must be born again...as if you are not, you remain '"""OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL""", and you will go to what was created for Him... after you die, unless you CHANGE Spiritual FATHER'S, by being born again..
As when you are born again by GOD, you become HIS SON...

See it?

"you must be BORN AGAIN"< Jesus told you.

You play on both squares/ colours of the checker board, moving to which ever one suits your narrative, unaware of your inconsistencies

 

[Brakelite]

I think we are finally on the same page! Love you brother! I couldn't have said it better myself!!!

He says it well, but what does he mean by what he says?

But I disagree that through the power of Jesus as not only the Author of our faith, but also the Finisher we can never be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect just as Jesus said. I believe Him. When Jesus takes away the sin out of our nature we are sinless, and therefore, RIGHTEOUS. But when we have finally matured ALL the fruit of the Spirit also, that is when we are HOLY. Don't forget Jesus not only takes away our sin, but is the vine-keeper of our fruit.

What of those who come to Christ at the last hour, those who haven't had time to develop character and overcome every habit and addiction? Many who have been Christians for 40,50 years, still struggle to overcome traits of character unrevealed by trials and refining. Perfection you realize does not mean necessarily someone in full bloom. Even buds can be perfect. Anyone can be perfect according to the light that had been revealed. A staunch idolater coming to Jesus in your repentance and recognition of His Lordship will still carry baggage. Most of that baggage he will be unaware of. That's when imputed righteousness will come into play. He/she is loving according to the light they have, and if run over by a bus the night after receiving Christ, they will be accepted not based on their performance, but on the basis of Christ's righteousness imputed into them. Had they lived another day, another year, who knows how far they would have gone, how much they would have grown. The righteousness imposter to them over that time would no doubt make significant changes, as it does for us all. Miraculous changes. And if they had continued to live scoring to the increasing light granted by the grace of God, they would have been no more perfect than they were on that first day. And no less in need of the imputed righteousness of Christ to enter glory.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

He says it well, but what does he mean by what he says?

What of those who come to Christ at the last hour, those who haven't had time to develop character and overcome every habit and addiction? Many who have been Christians for 40,50 years, still struggle to overcome traits of character unrevealed by trials and refining. Perfection you realize does not mean necessarily someone in full bloom. Even buds can be perfect. Anyone can be perfect according to the light that had been revealed. A staunch idolater coming to Jesus in your repentance and recognition of His Lordship will still carry baggage. Most of that baggage he will be unaware of. That's when imputed righteousness will come into play. He/she is loving according to the light they have, and if run over by a bus the night after receiving Christ, they will be accepted not based on their performance, but on the basis of Christ's righteousness imputed into them. Had they lived another day, another year, who knows how far they would have gone, how much they would have grown. The righteousness imposter to them over that time would no doubt make significant changes, as it does for us all. Miraculous changes. And if they had continued to live scoring to the increasing light granted by the grace of God, they would have been no more perfect than they were on that first day. And no less in need of the imputed righteousness of Christ to enter glory.

When Jesus takes away our sin unto death, at that point you are sinless. Period. That person goes straight to heaven.

You have it completely wrong in thinking that WE HAVE TO OVERCOME ANYTHING.

Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith, whether we are just a "baby" Christian who has all their desire (out of our nature) to sin gone, or whether we have been living IN Christ and HE has pruned our fruit to maturity. Immature fruit such as lack of self-control and being addicted are sins NOT unto death, so they won't damn you to hell.

 

[Behold]

You play on both squares/ colours of the checker board, moving to which ever one suits your narrative, unaware of your inconsistencies

You like to hear yourself talk on my Threads.

 

[Behold]

What of those who come to Christ at the last hour,

Death Bed conversions are one of the wonders of God's Amazing Grace.

Its interesting that many Christians resent this, as they feel that "well they didn't deserve to be saved, they lived like a devil all those years, and at the end of their life they got scared, and called out, and God saved them".

"God should have let them burn forever"... "That would have been the right thing to do".

"That isn't fair"...

This is the ""Older Brother""" carnal christian mentality, who despised the fact that DADDY, ... ran to the Pig Pen Prodigal and gave him the Coat, the Best Ring and the ETERNAL HUG".

 

[Brakelite]

Death Bed conversions are one of the wonders of God's Amazing Grace.

Its interesting that many Christians resent this, as they feel that "well they didn't deserve to be saved, they lived like a devil all those years, and at the end of their life they got scared, and called out, and God saved them".

"God should have let them burn forever"... "That would have been the right thing to do".

"That isn't fair"...

This is the ""Older Brother""" carnal christian mentality, who despised the fact that DADDY, ... ran to the Pig Pen Prodigal and gave him the Coat, the Best Ring and the ETERNAL HUG".

Not the point I was making but okay.

 

[quietthinker]

You like to hear yourself talk on my Threads.

You consistently miss the point Behold, and it appears to me you deliberately misunderstand.

 

[Behold]

You consistently miss the point Behold, and it appears to me you deliberately misunderstand.

Hummmmm.

Why does God continue to maintain His wrath on and against the unbeliever, right now., and after they die, who are this?

= John 3:36

Why are they in that situation?

 

[quietthinker]

Hummmmm.

Why does God continue to maintain His wrath on and against the unbeliever, right now., and after they die, who are this?

= John 3:36

Why are they in that situation?

Why do you deliberately misunderstand that 'God so loved the World that he gave...'; that 'while we were yet sinners Christ died for the ungodly'; that consequence does not equal causation and that quoting scripture is not the same as a heart which reaches out in compassion?

 

[Behold]

Why do you deliberately misunderstand that 'God so loved the World that he gave...'; that 'while we were yet sinners Christ died for the ungodly'; that consequence does not equal causation and that quoting scripture is not the same as a heart which reaches out in compassion?

God is love.
But God is not JUST Love.

God is HOLY, also.
"be thou Holy as I AM HOLY"..

Its God's Holiness that we slightly perceive in the Law and 10 Commandments.
We get a reflection of God HOLINESS< when we read..."thou shalt not".

But that is just a Iceberg Tip, quietthinker.

God's Holiness, would make the SUN seem like ICE, with regards to HEAT.

God does love the sinner...but God's Holiness can't abide their sin.
We as humans cannot even begin to understand how offensive sin is, to God's Holiness.
When we look at the Cross, and see the torn body of Christ that is God's wrath against sin, Judgement, we can understand this as how God's Holiness reacts to SIN.
Its God's LOVE that holds back His wrath against this evil evil world, right this very second.
Its God's love that keeps giving the unrepentant more time to come to the Cross as the decades of their Christ Rejecting lives keep adding up.
Its God's LOVE that causes Him to have patience with people who not only hate Jesus .......but openly mock Him and abuse Him in public.

 

[quietthinker]

God is love.
But God is not JUST Love.

God is HOLY, also.
"be thou Holy as I AM HOLY"..

Its God's Holiness that we slightly perceive in the Law and 10 Commandments.
We get a reflection of God HOLINESS< when we read..."thou shalt not".

But that is just a Iceberg Tip, quietthinker.

God's Holiness, would make the SUN seem like ICE, with regards to HEAT.

God does love the sinner...but God's Holiness can't abide their sin.
We as humans cannot even begin to understand how offensive sin is, to God's Holiness.
Its God's LOVE that holds back His wrath.
Its God's love that keeps giving the unrepentant more time to come to the Cross as the decades of their Christ Rejecting lives keep adding up.
Its God's LOVE that causes Him to have patience with people who not only hate Jesus .......but openly mock Him and abuse Him in public.

I have explained here before how Paul defines 'God's wrath' but it appears to have fallen on deaf ears.
Consequence is confused with causation; do you understand what that means? ....and if you do, perhaps you could lay it out?

I would appreciate it if you would address the question and not side step the matter, the process of which ensures a stuck needle.

 

[Ezra]

"made righteous", as "the righteousness OF GOD..... "in Christ".

being Justified freely by his Grace . justified declared righteous/ not guilty/ just as if we never sinned.. (GREAT POST }

 

[Brakelite]

When we look at the Cross, and see the torn body of Christ that is God's wrath against sin

The wages of sin is death. That's the wrath of God. It was never God's will that His only beloved Son should suffer at the hands of apostate priests and secular pagan idolators. Be careful, very careful what you are accusing God of having done.

 

[mailmandan]

Rom_4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Rom_4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Rom_4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

Rom_4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Jas_2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

The Scriptures do.
Johann.

Amen! Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

 

[Lambano]

Does anybody use the word "impute" in normal English conversation? Some of these theology-book terms get my guard up.

The Greek word translated "impute" is λογίζομαι, ("logizomai"), and you can see the relationship to the English word "logic". It means to reckon, calculate, or reason to a conclusion. The key verse is Romans 4:3 (the Septuagint translation of Genesis 15:6), For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.”

Another key term is δικαιόω ("dikaioo"), usually translated "to justify". The key verse is Romans 3:28, For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. In the context of reckoning, reasoning, or calculating, I think the proper definition is Strongs' third one, a courtroom term meaning "to pronounce or declare 'as a man ought to be'". A cognate term is δικαιοσύνη ("dikaiosune"), usually translated "righteousness". What is "righteousness"? It basically means meeting the obligations of the relationship in question, whether it's God-human, husband-wife, parent-child, employer-employee, neighbor-neighbor, friend-friend, citizen-state. "As we ought to be".

So what "imputed righteousness" means is that God has declared that we are "as we ought to be" with Him.

What it does NOT mean is that we are suddenly meeting the obligations of all our relationships, or that we are released from our obligations to God and to each other. We still have to work at that. But when we fail, it does NOT mean that we are no longer "in the right" with God. We are still "as we ought to be".

 

[Behold]

The wages of sin is death. That's the wrath of God.

Hell and the Lake of Fire were created before Adam was Created.
They were created for the"" Devil and His angels"

They, "hell and the Lake of Fire" are a part of the wrath that awaits a human, that is shown in this verse.

John 3:36

and that wrath, has no end.