What is Mariology?

[face2face]

Behold thy mother!

What does Behold in scripture mean?

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27

Boy you write some garbage in this forum.

Behold 2623 ἴδε (ide) means:

Look!, a marker of point to something (usually) following as an emphasis

You Catholics love to make up stuff - notions galore!!!...you would make good wizards!

 

[face2face]

I'm still waiting for your reply

The question is simple, you believe Mary was filled with the Spirit and this "preserved" her from sinning (to actually mean she couldn't sin) whereas Jesus was filled with Spirit, but he wasn't preserved from sinning.

Can you explain the difference?

 

[Taken]

OK, I'll kick this off with your first query about the Catechism.
It says this in para 971 (note the part I have emboldened).
"All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."513 The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs.... This very special devotion ... differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."514 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.515

Footnote 514 references the Vatican II document Lumen Gentium para 66. Here is an extract.
Placed by the grace of God, as God's Mother, next to her Son, and exalted above all angels and men, Mary intervened in the mysteries of Christ and is justly honored by a special cult in the Church...This cult, as it always existed, although it is altogether singular, differs essentially from the cult of adoration which is offered to the Incarnate Word, as well to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and it is most favorable to it.

Note: "cult" here is the original meaning of the word - "a system of religious devotion directed towards a particular figure or object" - not the more common modern term "a relatively small religious group regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members"
Both quotes from the Concise Oxford English Dictionary.

No where does Scripture teach Mary is the Mother of God.
No where does Scripture teach Earthly men Should be Devoted to Mary.
No where does Scripture teach Worship of God has anything to do with Mary.

It is earthly men who have “created” a “cult” of Mary, much to the disparagement of Mary’s true reputation.

Mary was favorable to God to be chosen BY God, as Scripture Does teach...Expressly Because of her Reputation.

The “cult” of Mariology, changes (By the word of men) the Word of God into a Lie.
There is no disagreement that the Lies of men were /for centuries / ORALLY taught to men (who could not read or Verify with Scripture what they were orally taught).

The “cult” of Mariology continues teaching children who can not read to verify Gods Word in Scripture...to see if what they Are orally taught and taught by mimicking acts Are True To Gods Word.

”All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."

^ That is made-up man-made teaching of a mans made-up doctrine.
^ That is Not according to the Word of God.

The point being;
...you were obviously taught a man-made doctrine.
...you quote your taught man-made doctrine.
...you obviously can read.
...where in Gods Doctrine does Gods Doctrine teach:

"The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."

?

 

[Mungo]

No - you said she was saved from sin therefore she must have sinned.

Show me where I said that.

 

[Mungo]

The question is simple, you believe Mary was filled with the Spirit and this "preserved" her from sinning (to actually mean she couldn't sin) whereas Jesus was filled with Spirit, but he wasn't preserved from sinning.

Can you explain the difference?

Show me where I said either of those things

 

[Mungo]

@face2face
Still waiting for your reply to post #475

 

[Mungo]

Nothing there.
Take one verse and speak to it - start with Genesis 3:15; its a good one to start with.

Gen 3:15 “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed”
Her seed is Jesus and the “her” is Mary. God promises enmity between Mary and Satan. Now enmity is being an enemy. When we sin we are not being an enemy of Satan but doing his will rather than God’s So here in the garden God is promising a woman who will totally oppose Satan – who will not sin.

See also theefaith's post #468

 

[Taken]

Boy you write some garbage in this forum.

Behold 2623 ἴδε (ide) means:

Look!, a marker of point to something (usually) following as an emphasis

You Catholics love to make up stuff - notions galore!!!...you would make good wizards!

For centuries men have appointed men to positions of authority...in secular and religious matters.

The ignorance of men is Trusting what they hear to be True “without” verification...is also centuries long.

The “preying” on children is teaching Lies by “lying words of men and mimicking corrupt acts of men”...and children reaching adulthood too embarrassed to admit they were “duped”.

Mary was a natural born sinful earthling chosen by God for a particular Service unto God. Mary agreed. Mary fulfilled the particular Service unto God and God Blessed Mary for her willing Service.

Scripture is full of natural born sinful earthlings chosen by God for particular Services unto God and those chosen by God who willingly agreed to Serve God and fulfilled Gods particular Service and were also Blessed by God for their Service.

Nothing whatsoever in Gods Word Teaches to build Statues, Shrines, make Trinkets to, Make Feasts to, Bow down to, Be devoted to, Worship, Exalt, Pray To, any earthly man-kind of thing.

Gods Blessings and Gifts are His to Give, to whom He pleases. Scripture teaches WHO and WHY God blessed particular scripturally identified earthly sinful persons.

God is mankind’s Spiritual Father who Himself appointed Abraham a father of earthly nations of earthly men.

Catholic men have repetitively for centuries appointed and crowned men as their spiritual and earthly father and hang on every word of their earthly man appointed father...they call their pope.

Sadly their popes have declared truths and lies to be Gods Truths and then threaten their congregations with expulsion if they do not wholly believe every teaching of the catholic corrupt man-made doctrine.

There is a reason Ancient Scripture begins with God SAID...
Nothing has changed ... Everything hangs on Gods Word...not mans word.

Nothing in Gods Word teaches Mary is the Mother of God...Mary was sinless...And the host of other nonsense taught about Mary.

 

[theefaith]

Boy you write some garbage in this forum.

Behold 2623 ἴδε (ide) means:

Look!, a marker of point to something (usually) following as an emphasis

You Catholics love to make up stuff - notions galore!!!...you would make good wizards!

I should be surprised when a Protestant protests, spiritual pride

what about the mother part?

 

[theefaith]

Only humility can submit and obey pride must be in rebellion and protest

 

[theefaith]

Pride is natural humility of s supernatural virtue of Jesus christ

 

[face2face]

I should be surprised when a Protestant protests, spiritual pride

what about the mother part?

Dont be surprised theefaith, every time we have interacted you have been proven to have absolutely no idea about what you are taking about. You misquote passages and make random references which make no connection to anything you are saying. You're not teachable and probably just lonely. Maybe you think you are doing your Catholic part here in this forum but you do more harm than good. If I ignore your posts you can make this response the reason for all of them.

 

[face2face]

Show me where I said that.

Did you not say Mary was saved from original sin?

 

[face2face]

Yes I am.



Can you show me a Bible quote to prove that?

Romans 3:23-24

Mungo when God publicly displayed Jesus at his death as the mercy seat accessible through faith - did Mary need that faith? Did Mary require mercy?

 

[face2face]

Gen 3:15 “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed”
Her seed is Jesus and the “her” is Mary. God promises enmity between Mary and Satan. Now enmity is being an enemy. When we sin we are not being an enemy of Satan but doing his will rather than God’s So here in the garden God is promising a woman who will totally oppose Satan – who will not sin.

See also theefaith's post #468

Dear Mungo, you have forced a lot of error on this verse and its going to take some time to unravel what you have been taught. If you are willing to learn I can show you truth.

Your first mistake is you assume a supernatural being for the serpent when the text reads very plainly.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more shrewd than any of the wild animals that the Lord God had made.

1. An animal (carnal mind) with voice - is the introduction of a carnal way of thinking i.e mind of the flesh See Romans 8:6!

2. A wild animal God had made - natural, earthy creature - nothing supernatural.

See 2 Corinthians 11:3 (notice Paul's point....minds corrupted!)

So lets first see if you can acknowledge these two facts before we move to interpreting the verse correctly.

F2F

 

[Enoch111]

2. An animal God had made - natural, earthy creature - nothing supernatural

Well the animal may not have been supernatural, but the one who entered into that animal and used it to deceive Eve was something else. Therefore the Bible makes it plain that that serpent was in fact Satan, and may in fact have been a dragon, rather than a slithering snake.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Rev 12:9)

Today dragons and snakes are worshipped in many false religions.

 

[face2face]

Well the animal may not have been supernatural, but the one who entered into that animal and used it to deceive Eve was something else. Therefore the Bible makes it plain that that serpent was in fact Satan, and may in fact have been a dragon, rather than a slithering snake.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Rev 12:9)

Today dragons and snakes are worshipped in many false religions.

Best not to use a highly symbolic section of Scripture to force unwritten notions on the Word.

 

[face2face]

For centuries men have appointed men to positions of authority...in secular and religious matters.

The ignorance of men is Trusting what they hear to be True “without” verification...is also centuries long.

The “preying” on children is teaching Lies by “lying words of men and mimicking corrupt acts of men”...and children reaching adulthood too embarrassed to admit they were “duped”.

Mary was a natural born sinful earthling chosen by God for a particular Service unto God. Mary agreed. Mary fulfilled the particular Service unto God and God Blessed Mary for her willing Service.

Scripture is full of natural born sinful earthlings chosen by God for particular Services unto God and those chosen by God who willingly agreed to Serve God and fulfilled Gods particular Service and were also Blessed by God for their Service.

Nothing whatsoever in Gods Word Teaches to build Statues, Shrines, make Trinkets to, Make Feasts to, Bow down to, Be devoted to, Worship, Exalt, Pray To, any earthly man-kind of thing.

Gods Blessings and Gifts are His to Give, to whom He pleases. Scripture teaches WHO and WHY God blessed particular scripturally identified earthly sinful persons.

God is mankind’s Spiritual Father who Himself appointed Abraham a father of earthly nations of earthly men.

Catholic men have repetitively for centuries appointed and crowned men as their spiritual and earthly father and hang on every word of their earthly man appointed father...they call their pope.

Sadly their popes have declared truths and lies to be Gods Truths and then threaten their congregations with expulsion if they do not wholly believe every teaching of the catholic corrupt man-made doctrine.

There is a reason Ancient Scripture begins with God SAID...
Nothing has changed ... Everything hangs on Gods Word...not mans word.

Nothing in Gods Word teaches Mary is the Mother of God...Mary was sinless...And the host of other nonsense taught about Mary.

All to be revealed John 16:8 when he comes.

 

[Enoch111]

Best not to use a highly symbolic section of Scripture to force unwritten notions on the Word.

There's nothing highly symbolic about the Creation and the Fall. Pure hard, cold, sober, facts. Stated very succinctly.

 

[face2face]

There's nothing highly symbolic about the Creation and the Fall. Pure hard, cold, sober, facts. Stated very succinctly.

Correct...it was simply a wild animal (succinct) which had voice - nothing supernatural or mysterious.

Did the world wait for Christ to be exalted and for John to define your pitched forked agent of evil ??? yeah...you've clearly thought about it!

Take me to OT to prove your ventriloquist theory?