What is Mariology?

[Mungo]

Did you not say Mary was saved from original sin?

You made the claim. Now show me or admit you were lying.

 

[Mungo]

Romans 3:23-24

Mungo when God publicly displayed Jesus at his death as the mercy seat accessible through faith - did Mary need that faith? Did Mary require mercy?

That Bible reference doesn't show what you claimed

 

[Mungo]

Dear Mungo, you have forced a lot of error on this verse and its going to take some time to unravel what you have been taught. If you are willing to learn I can show you truth.

Your first mistake is you assume a supernatural being for the serpent when the text reads very plainly.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more shrewd than any of the wild animals that the Lord God had made.

1. An animal (carnal mind) with voice - is the introduction of a carnal way of thinking i.e mind of the flesh See Romans 8:6!

2. A wild animal God had made - natural, earthy creature - nothing supernatural.

See 2 Corinthians 11:3 (notice Paul's point....minds corrupted!)

So lets first see if you can acknowledge these two facts before we move to interpreting the verse correctly.

F2F

As Enoch111 has proved you wrong om this I will leave it to him.

 

[Taken]

Dear Mungo, you have forced a lot of error on this verse and its going to take some time to unravel what you have been taught. If you are willing to learn I can show you truth.

Your first mistake is you assume a supernatural being for the serpent when the text reads very plainly.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more shrewd than any of the wild animals that the Lord God had made.

1. An animal (carnal mind) with voice - is the introduction of a carnal way of thinking i.e mind of the flesh See Romans 8:6!

2. A wild animal God had made - natural, earthy creature - nothing supernatural.

See 2 Corinthians 11:3 (notice Paul's point....minds corrupted!)

So lets first see if you can acknowledge these two facts before we move to interpreting the verse correctly.

F2F

Agree & Disagree points.
Briefly;
Gen.is facts and foreshadowing.
Like in all things understanding comes later.
Angel Servants were created before mankind of things.
Holy Angels Estate is Heaven.
They (created spirits) have great power to appear in Forms men can SEE, be familiar with, hear, be curious about, be influenced by their speech.
The lesson is; Who a fallen Angel Seeks out is always the Weakest Target.
The Weakest Target is always the One without the Truth of God “with or in them".
The Order of Weakness is: is equal to creation...
Man created first ; strongest
Woman created 2nd ; weaker
Child created 3rd ; weakest
Continues with birth order of children.
(Later we learn the Orders can Change, the Targets can change depending On the individuals amount of having Gods Truth “with or in them”.)
The weakest Target in the Garden was The Woman.
The knowledge is;
Man was created outside the Garden and Put in the Garden. Gen 2:15,16,17
In the Garden: Man was told what to eat, one tree to avoid, and out from a man was a Helpmate made, revealed, called Woman, that Adam named Eve.
(To note; in heaven a powerful, Angel lied Against Gods Word. Which is killing Gods Truth. That Angel was Cast out of his Estate Down to The newly created earth (dry land).
Note: There were no Holy Angels protecting the Garden Entrance “until” after the man & woman were booted out of the Garden.once man was in the Garden animals were brought to the man to name them. Conclusion is: an evil Angel cast to earth, entered the Garden by entering into a Serpent.)
Note: The fallen angel took upon himself the likeness of an animal, a Serpent, Snake, and sat in the forbidden tree. The Serpent talked to the woman, captured her attention, she looked, she listened, she engaged in conversation, she was influenced, by half truths and half lies, to Reach out and Take and Eat that which was Warned to Not do.
She convinced the man it was Good food.
Note: the Order and severity of punishment;
Via Who knew the most Truth of God and defied Gods Truth...punished First and most severely...Order;
Fallen angel, man, then woman.
(It foreshadows Hebrews /Jews / Gentiles / men / women /children...Order of knowledge given and severity of punishment for defying gained Truth of God.)

The understanding of Who took upon himself the likeness as a Serpent is Revealed in Rev. 12:9
Note; spirits have the Power to appear to the Eyes of earthly men, in Forms (Body’s) earthly men can See and recognize what the thing is, and call the thing by what IS familiar to the man.
* The woman Saw a Serpent and called the thing a Serpent, unbeknownst to the woman it was a Fallen Angel Spirit using the Serpents Body....She had not Yet learned the knowledge of the power of Spirits to take upon themselves the LIKENESS of familiar things.
Some men have not yet learned Spirits can take upon them other bodily Forms...(which is what Gods Word did...Some men call Jesus A Human, teach Jesus IS a human, which He is Not. He (is a Spirit) but took upon Him a Form in the Likeness AS an Earthly Man, looked like a man, was called a man.)

The Animal...Serpent itself became changed from there forward to Not have legs and it’s curse was to slither in dust, Because of the Fallen Angel.

As far as the woman in Gen Catholics teach the “Woman” IS Mary.
I totally disagree.
There is more in-depth study, but basically it is a foreshadow of ...
Of a holy place..
Heaven God - Garden man
Out from God - a helpmate - Gods Word
Out from man - a helpmate - Woman
The helpmate...man & Woman Become ONE
The helpmate...God and His Word Are ONE
How Gods Helpmate Appears (takes upon himself a bodily Form, For mankind to See and Hear) Was of Gods own Choosing to Appear in the Likeness As An Earthly Man...a particular Order of a an Earthly man ...tracing Back the direct generational bloodline of ...
Jews, Tribes, Hebrews, Noah, To Adam... of those Who Heard, Believed, Remained in Belief and WITH God to the End of their Physical life span...which is exactly what Jesus Did, (as an example for earthly men to witness) Despite the constant bombardment of evil and wicked influences OF this world.

Gods helpmate Is God, IS Gods Word that came forth out from Gods mouth in Gods Holy Place and was Sent to a Virgin womb (a undefiled place ) to be revealed TO: a world ... of a Few men still holding on to Gods Truth Amid a world of mankind that was progressively and exponentially Falling For the influence of Evil Fallen Angels And the influences of Wicked men, themselves having fallen for Evil influences of Fallen Angels.

Gods use of Mary’s Virgin Womb WAS Gods Express Method to Reveal His Word to mankind...for mankind to Hear And SEE.
For centuries...only Hearing was a huge Complaint of mankind. Man begged to SEE and God promised men Would SEE...(right after God called them “stiffnecked” for wanting to SEE God, instead of being satisfied with “SEEING the results of Gods Good Works”.)

Mary is not the woman in Gen.
Eve is the Woman in Gen. a helpmate to man.
It is a foreshadow of Gods Word coming forth out from God. Gods helpmate, which God purposed IN Himself, to accomplish His Will For mankind to Hear His Truth.
Eph 1:9
John 10:28

Mary’s virgin Womb Served Gods purpose for 9 months, and then that purpose was accomplished.
Some, not all of mankind, Hear, learn, trust to believe or not, Mary’s Willingness to Agree for her Virgin Womb To Serve Gods purpose and her honor of that particular Service unto God to be remembered by men themselves faithful
To God.

Mary’s 9 months Service was indeed “her honorable Service” unto God...
So also was Noah’s, Moses’, Abraham’s, Isaacs’, Jacobs’, David’s YEARS of Service unto to God Honorable and Remembered by descending Generations...without statues, shrines, trinkets, or falsely Making them “intercessors” To God.

Scripture gives us the knowledge of Exactly Why Mary in-particular was found by God as favorable For a particular Service unto God...and it is Not the Lie taught (by some) that she was “sinless”.

Agree with the false advocation of Mariology nonsense.
Consider the power of spirits (good and evil) who can and do take upon themselves the bodily form of animals and mankind...especially mankind as that shall become highly important in the last days of a one world ruler.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You made the claim. Now show me or admit you were lying.

Oh good grief. Asking questions is not lying. Catholic teaching Does teach Mary was “sinless”.

 

[face2face]

That Bible reference doesn't show what you claimed

Still with the false claims of lying and evasive techniques.

 

[face2face]

Agree & Disagree points.
Briefly;
Gen.is facts and foreshadowing.

Very true Gen & Rev are two book ends which deal with the whole story including its precious themes.

Angel Servants were created before mankind of things.
Holy Angels Estate is Heaven.
They (created spirits) have great power to appear in Forms men can SEE, be familiar with, hear, be curious about, be influenced by their speech.

We do not know how the angles originated - what we do know is sin can only come from human nature James 1:13-15; Mark 7:20-23 Jeremiah 17:9. God or his angels cannot be tempted with sin. However, if they could the Divine edict would apply Romans 3:23 & Romans 6:23.

Fallen angel theology is the imaginations of men - no scriptural basis whatsoever - as crazy as Mariology.

Man was created outside the Garden and Put in the Garden. Gen 2:15,16,17
In the Garden: Man was told what to eat, one tree to avoid, and out from a man was a Helpmate made, revealed, called Woman, that Adam named Eve.

True!

(To note; in heaven a powerful, Angel lied Against Gods Word. Which is killing Gods Truth. That Angel was Cast out of his Estate Down to The newly created earth (dry land).
Note: There were no Holy Angels protecting the Garden Entrance “until” after the man & woman were booted out of the Garden.once man was in the Garden animals were brought to the man to name them. Conclusion is: an evil Angel cast to earth, entered the Garden by entering into a Serpent.)
Note: The fallen angel took upon himself the likeness of an animal, a Serpent, Snake, and sat in the forbidden tree. The Serpent talked to the woman, captured her attention, she looked, she listened, she engaged in conversation, she was influenced, by half truths and half lies, to Reach out and Take and Eat that which was Warned to Not do.
She convinced the man it was Good food.
Note: the Order and severity of punishment;
Via Who knew the most Truth of God and defied Gods Truth...punished First and most severely...Order;
Fallen angel, man, then woman.
(It foreshadows Hebrews /Jews / Gentiles / men / women /children...Order of knowledge given and severity of punishment for defying gained Truth of God.)

You have no Scriptural basis for any of this - no quotes = fallacy

The understanding of Who took upon himself the likeness as a Serpent is Revealed in Rev. 12:9
Note; spirits have the Power to appear to the Eyes of earthly men, in Forms (Body’s) earthly men can See and recognize what the thing is, and call the thing by what IS familiar to the man.
* The woman Saw a Serpent and called the thing a Serpent, unbeknownst to the woman it was a Fallen Angel Spirit using the Serpents Body....She had not Yet learned the knowledge of the power of Spirits to take upon themselves the LIKENESS of familiar things.
Some men have not yet learned Spirits can take upon them other bodily Forms...(which is what Gods Word did...Some men call Jesus A Human, teach Jesus IS a human, which He is Not. He (is a Spirit) but took upon Him a Form in the Likeness AS an Earthly Man, looked like a man, was called a man.)

More of the same - where do you get this stuff? No Bible quotes = fanciful notions conjured up in the minds of men.
It continues along the same false premise with no basis to argue from.

Rewrite the post with Scripture to support your claims.

Lets leave Rev 12 alone for now as previously stated its highly symbolic and those with a wrong understanding of Genesis have no hope of understanding the apocalypse.

In the Master's service
F2F

 

[Mungo]

Still with the false claims of lying and evasive techniques.

Talking to yourself again.

 

[face2face]

Talking to yourself again.

It's sad to see the quality of your posts deteriorate Mungo.

 

[Mungo]

It's sad to see the quality of your posts deteriorate Mungo.

At least my posts are truthful.

 

[theefaith]

Dont be surprised theefaith, every time we have interacted you have been proven to have absolutely no idea about what you are taking about. You misquote passages and make random references which make no connection to anything you are saying. You're not teachable and probably just lonely. Maybe you think you are doing your Catholic part here in this forum but you do more harm than good. If I ignore your posts you can make this response the reason for all of them.

True Christians cannot listen to errors of fundamentalists but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!

 

[face2face]

At least my posts are truthful.

They have been proven to be false in all occasions.

You never did answer the question why did Mary interrupt the Lord's teaching? And why Jesus open rebuke of his family was so stern? Do you want to have another go? Matthew 12:48-50 you will also need Mark 3:20-21

Let see if you and your truthfulness can rise to the occasion?

 

[Mungo]

They have been proven to be false in all occasions.

Another of your lies

You never did answer the question why did Mary interrupt the Lord's teaching? And why Jesus open rebuke of his family was so stern? Do you want to have another go? Matthew 12:48-50 you will also need Mark 3:20-21

Let see if you and your truthfulness can rise to the occasion?

When you have answered my questions I will address that.
I expect you will evade them yet again.

 

[face2face]

Another of your lies



When you have answered my questions I will address that.
I expect you will evade them yet again.

To my knowledge all your questions have been answered.

 

[Taken]

We do not know how the angles originated - what we do know is sin can only come from human nature James 1:13-15; Mark 7:20-23 Jeremiah 17:9. God or his angels cannot be tempted with sin. However, if they could the Divine edict would apply Romans 3:23 & Romans 6:23.

Not True. Angels CAN Sin.
2 pet.2:
2:For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Study of Scripture reveals The great Power of Satan, who IS also referenced BY “Other”, names, descriptions, Titles, being a Liar, murderer, specific TO Satan.

God cannot Sin.
God does not tempt.
Men & Angels have FREEWILL and Can and Have Tempted God. <—- That is the ACT of a man and an Angel. The response of God was to NOT Accept the “Temptation”...and TELL the “Tempter” to NOT Temp the Lord God.

Fallen angel theology is the imaginations of men - no scriptural basis whatsoever - crazy...

Not True.
Rev 12;9
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

You have no Scriptural basis for any of this - no quotes = fallacy
F2F

Not true. Not my responsibility to look up scriptures for you.

 

[face2face]

Not True. Angels CAN Sin.
2 pet.2:
2:For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Have you studied 2 Peter 2:4?

 

[Taken]

Have you studied 2 Peter 2:4?

2 Pet 2:4 is sufficient to reveal Angels CAN SIN, Have Sinned, in opposition to your claim.

 

[face2face]

2 Pet 2:4 is sufficient to reveal Angels CAN SIN, Have Sinned, in opposition to your claim.

That's not what I asked is it?

Have you considered its context?
Have you considered the word angels?
Have you considered the problem of saying its actually angels?
Have you considered the language as symbolic or literal?

Have you studied 2 Peter 2:4?

 

[JohnPaul]

Didn't Angels come down from heaven and find women beautiful and impregnated them? Hence the Nephilim.

 

[Truman]

When people don't want to believe something, you can't make 'em!