Did you not say Mary was saved from original sin?
You made the claim. Now show me or admit you were lying.
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Did you not say Mary was saved from original sin?
Romans 3:23-24
Mungo when God publicly displayed Jesus at his death as the mercy seat accessible through faith - did Mary need that faith? Did Mary require mercy?
Dear Mungo, you have forced a lot of error on this verse and its going to take some time to unravel what you have been taught. If you are willing to learn I can show you truth.
Your first mistake is you assume a supernatural being for the serpent when the text reads very plainly.
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more shrewd than any of the wild animals that the Lord God had made.
1. An animal (carnal mind) with voice - is the introduction of a carnal way of thinking i.e mind of the flesh See Romans 8:6!
2. A wild animal God had made - natural, earthy creature - nothing supernatural.
See 2 Corinthians 11:3 (notice Paul's point....minds corrupted!)
So lets first see if you can acknowledge these two facts before we move to interpreting the verse correctly.
F2F
Dear Mungo, you have forced a lot of error on this verse and its going to take some time to unravel what you have been taught. If you are willing to learn I can show you truth.
Your first mistake is you assume a supernatural being for the serpent when the text reads very plainly.
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more shrewd than any of the wild animals that the Lord God had made.
1. An animal (carnal mind) with voice - is the introduction of a carnal way of thinking i.e mind of the flesh See Romans 8:6!
2. A wild animal God had made - natural, earthy creature - nothing supernatural.
See 2 Corinthians 11:3 (notice Paul's point....minds corrupted!)
So lets first see if you can acknowledge these two facts before we move to interpreting the verse correctly.
F2F
You made the claim. Now show me or admit you were lying.
Still with the false claims of lying and evasive techniques.That Bible reference doesn't show what you claimed
Very true Gen & Rev are two book ends which deal with the whole story including its precious themes.Agree & Disagree points.
Briefly;
Gen.is facts and foreshadowing.
We do not know how the angles originated - what we do know is sin can only come from human nature James 1:13-15; Mark 7:20-23 Jeremiah 17:9. God or his angels cannot be tempted with sin. However, if they could the Divine edict would apply Romans 3:23 & Romans 6:23.Angel Servants were created before mankind of things.
Holy Angels Estate is Heaven.
They (created spirits) have great power to appear in Forms men can SEE, be familiar with, hear, be curious about, be influenced by their speech.
True!Man was created outside the Garden and Put in the Garden. Gen 2:15,16,17
In the Garden: Man was told what to eat, one tree to avoid, and out from a man was a Helpmate made, revealed, called Woman, that Adam named Eve.
You have no Scriptural basis for any of this - no quotes = fallacy(To note; in heaven a powerful, Angel lied Against Gods Word. Which is killing Gods Truth. That Angel was Cast out of his Estate Down to The newly created earth (dry land).
Note: There were no Holy Angels protecting the Garden Entrance “until” after the man & woman were booted out of the Garden.once man was in the Garden animals were brought to the man to name them. Conclusion is: an evil Angel cast to earth, entered the Garden by entering into a Serpent.)
Note: The fallen angel took upon himself the likeness of an animal, a Serpent, Snake, and sat in the forbidden tree. The Serpent talked to the woman, captured her attention, she looked, she listened, she engaged in conversation, she was influenced, by half truths and half lies, to Reach out and Take and Eat that which was Warned to Not do.
She convinced the man it was Good food.
Note: the Order and severity of punishment;
Via Who knew the most Truth of God and defied Gods Truth...punished First and most severely...Order;
Fallen angel, man, then woman.
(It foreshadows Hebrews /Jews / Gentiles / men / women /children...Order of knowledge given and severity of punishment for defying gained Truth of God.)
More of the same - where do you get this stuff? No Bible quotes = fanciful notions conjured up in the minds of men.The understanding of Who took upon himself the likeness as a Serpent is Revealed in Rev. 12:9
Note; spirits have the Power to appear to the Eyes of earthly men, in Forms (Body’s) earthly men can See and recognize what the thing is, and call the thing by what IS familiar to the man.
* The woman Saw a Serpent and called the thing a Serpent, unbeknownst to the woman it was a Fallen Angel Spirit using the Serpents Body....She had not Yet learned the knowledge of the power of Spirits to take upon themselves the LIKENESS of familiar things.
Some men have not yet learned Spirits can take upon them other bodily Forms...(which is what Gods Word did...Some men call Jesus A Human, teach Jesus IS a human, which He is Not. He (is a Spirit) but took upon Him a Form in the Likeness AS an Earthly Man, looked like a man, was called a man.)
Talking to yourself again.Still with the false claims of lying and evasive techniques.
It's sad to see the quality of your posts deteriorate Mungo.Talking to yourself again.
At least my posts are truthful.It's sad to see the quality of your posts deteriorate Mungo.
Dont be surprised theefaith, every time we have interacted you have been proven to have absolutely no idea about what you are taking about. You misquote passages and make random references which make no connection to anything you are saying. You're not teachable and probably just lonely. Maybe you think you are doing your Catholic part here in this forum but you do more harm than good. If I ignore your posts you can make this response the reason for all of them.
At least my posts are truthful.
Another of your liesThey have been proven to be false in all occasions.
You never did answer the question why did Mary interrupt the Lord's teaching? And why Jesus open rebuke of his family was so stern? Do you want to have another go? Matthew 12:48-50 you will also need Mark 3:20-21
Let see if you and your truthfulness can rise to the occasion?
To my knowledge all your questions have been answered.Another of your lies
When you have answered my questions I will address that.
I expect you will evade them yet again.
We do not know how the angles originated - what we do know is sin can only come from human nature James 1:13-15; Mark 7:20-23 Jeremiah 17:9. God or his angels cannot be tempted with sin. However, if they could the Divine edict would apply Romans 3:23 & Romans 6:23.
Fallen angel theology is the imaginations of men - no scriptural basis whatsoever - crazy...
You have no Scriptural basis for any of this - no quotes = fallacy
F2F
Have you studied 2 Peter 2:4?Not True. Angels CAN Sin.
2 pet.2:
2:For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Have you studied 2 Peter 2:4?
2 Pet 2:4 is sufficient to reveal Angels CAN SIN, Have Sinned, in opposition to your claim.