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1 Thes Paul is talking to the Thessalonians because they thought the their fellow brothers that died would miss the rapture so Paul tells them they will be raptured first then us on earth who are alive at that time will be with them. . Gal 2:7-8 says Paul was charged to take the mission to the Gentiles and Peter to the Jews . When I said Gentiles in the Rapture I meant all believers but at this time it’s mostly Gentiles cause God hardened the Jews hearts because they rejected Christ and because of that they wouldn’t believe the truth so God focused his attention to the Gentiles and made salvation available to them and when the fullness or number of Gentiles come in Rom 11:25. They he will rapture them and then the tribulation will start. The Rapture and second coming are two separate events . God does not resurrect at his second coming because we are already with him when he comes back down to earth.
Good Morning,

I love your opening sentence here and would like to fine tune it so that it is 100% accurate.

1 Thes Paul is talking to the Thessalonians because they thought the their fellow brothers that died would miss the resurrection so Paul tells them all (and us) that those who died in Christ are with Him now.
When Christ Returns, God will bring ALL the Saints who have died with Him from Heaven.
At the Coming of the LORD the dead in Christ will Rise First.
After that is completed, those of us who are alive on earth, will be raptured(caught UP) to meet the Resurrected Saints and forever be with the LORD.

Now you have 100% PURE TRUTH as it is written in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Peace - we will look together in scripture for the Romans 11:25 to SEE when this will take place = Peace
 
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Good Morning,

I love your opening sentence here and would like to fine tune it so that it is 100% accurate.

1 Thes Paul is talking to the Thessalonians because they thought the their fellow brothers that died would miss the resurrection so Paul tells them all (and us) that those who died in Christ are with Him now.
When Christ Returns, God will bring ALL the Saints who have died with Him from Heaven.
At the Coming of the LORD the dead in Christ will Rise First.
After that is completed, those of us who are alive on earth, will be raptured(caught UP) to meet the Resurrected Saints and forever be with the LORD.

Now you have 100% PURE TRUTH as it is written in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Peace - we will look together in scripture for the Romans 11:25 to SEE when this will take place = Peace
And let all that has breath praise the glorious Lord . At the last trumpet , for the trumpet shall sound .
Its in corinthains chapter fifteen as well . Let all praise and thank the glorious Lord .
What a wonderful home awaits the lambs at the end of our faith .
 

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And let all that has breath praise the glorious Lord . At the last trumpet , for the trumpet shall sound .
Its in corinthains chapter fifteen as well . Let all praise and thank the glorious Lord .
What a wonderful home awaits the lambs at the end of our faith .
Correct my Brother and Fellow Worker in the TRUTH

HIS Second Coming is a manifestation of the 'Feast of Trumpets'.

The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound,
the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets. - Rev 10:5-7

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. - 1 Cor 15:52

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And
He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew ch24
 
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Correct my Brother and Fellow Worker in the TRUTH

HIS Second Coming is a manifestation of the 'Feast of Trumpets'.

The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound,
the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets. - Rev 10:5-7

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. - 1 Cor 15:52

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And
He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew ch24
The first fruit unto GOD , Christ JESUS the ressurected KING of kings . Praise the glorious Lord .
The trumpet sounded loud and long at Sinai , and yet the final trumpet shall call the lambs HOME .
Moses went up into the moutain . IN CHRIST shall we fly home at the SOUND of the last trumpet
to a home of upmost beauty where all lambs shall forever be with the GLORIOUS LORD . ITS a DAY to LOOK forward too for the lambs.
 

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But YE have come unto the mount Sion the heavenly jerusalem . LET THE KING BE PRAISED .
And we know here on this earth we have no continuing city , BUT WE AWAIT ONE TO COME . LET all that has breath
praise and thank the glorious LORD . Let all who name the name of JESUS depart from inquity
Let the glorious LORD be honored in all we do and say . Now lift those hands up , ITS LORD PRAISING TIME in the building
and round the world .
 

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But YE have come unto the mount Sion the heavenly jerusalem . LET THE KING BE PRAISED .
And we know here on this earth we have no continuing city , BUT WE AWAIT ONE TO COME . LET all that has breath
praise and thank the glorious LORD . Let all who name the name of JESUS depart from inquity
Let the glorious LORD be honored in all we do and say . Now lift those hands up , ITS LORD PRAISING TIME in the building
and round the world .
the TRUTH that is found in Hebrews = AMAZING GLORY & FREEDOM

i highly recommend to all catholics, first Read Gospel of John then Acts and then Hebrews
 
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the TRUTH that is found in Hebrews = AMAZING GLORY & FREEDOM

i highly recommend to all catholics, first Read Gospel of John then Acts and then Hebrews
I highly recommend to all that has breath to get in those bibles and learn that JESUS , HIS WORDS
of pure truth the words the apostels by the SPIRIT left us and all good and pure holy biblical doctrine .
Test ALL THINGS , PROVE ALL THINGS and HOLD TO THAT WHICH IS GOOD and ABSTIAN from all apperance of evil .
TOO many are not testing folks . and if they do test them they do so against their own INTELLECT and not the WORDS OF GOD .
Too many perish from lack of knowledge . SURE they sit under men who are always learning , BUT NEVER ABLE to COME TO the TRUTH .
WE must get those bibles Back in churches and let the peoples learn and fast too .
cause there is a delusion in the land . AND this is that final hour delusion .
IT is the DELUSION to UNIITE THE DECIEVED to BE AS ONE TRIBE , ONE RELIGION , ONE PEOPLES
under NOT GOD , but the dragon who always desired to be as GOD . TIMES running out and no matter the cost
to us , WE MUST point to CHRIST and all sound doctrine in hopes some will hear and repent and be saved .
The DELUSION to unite the world as one , the very mystery of inquity has not been at rest
IT HAS GROWN and now guides all , not in the lambs book of life , TO UNITE AS ONE PEOPLE with a common goal
to serve the very beast .
 

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and with teeth they will soon come against those quite in the land . the enemy of our souls
the adverary of GOD and of humanity rests not . He is gathering the world and religoins to unite as one people
finding common ground under a false brotherly fraternity covenant that unites all religoins and secular to be as one
under a false love which embraces darkness and not truth . AND THEY WILL COME as one against the true lambs .
Fear them not , fear not man , fear not to suffer , FOLLOW THE LAMB and do all out battle for the souls of men
by the preaching of the gospel , teaching all things JESUS taught and all biblical doctrine by which one shall grow wise
unto salvation through faith in Christ .
 

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Parousia means presence. (See 2 Corinthians 10:10; Philippians 2:12.) Sadly, most Bible translators have injected their theological, doctrinal biases into their translations and have used the word “coming” for parousia. However, Thayer’s Greek Lexicon of the Bible accurately gives the definition as “presence” or “arrival.” Additionally, Professor Robert Young in Young's Literal Translation of the Bible also preserves the meaning of parousia as presence. An example of the integrity of Young’s translation is in Matthew 24:3 (YLT), “And when he (Jesus) is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, ‘Tell us, when shall these be? and what is the sign of thy presence (parousia), and of the full end of the age?’”

In His answer, our Lord then goes into detail telling his disciples what events should transpire and were yet to happen so that they would know when Jesus had returned. Jesus said, “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.” (Matthew 24:42 NKJV) Remember, Jesus returns as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 (NKJV), “For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.” A thief does not announce his presence!

Having a proper understanding of parousia can greatly alter the thought of the manner and object of the Second Advent of Christ. Our Lord was preparing the disciples to recognize that a length of time was going to intervene between his first and second advents, and that they should be watchful for all that would transpire.

This means that our Lord would be present, and there would be many who would not know it. How can this be? Wouldn’t every Christian recognize the Lord? No. Some Christians are either not watching and therefore, do know not what “time” it is, or they are looking for the wrong thing.
Jesus said, “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also.” John 14:19 (NKJV) How do we harmonize this with Revelation 1:7 (NKJV), “Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him (see Zechariah 12:10). And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him”?

Revelation 1:7 is not talking about our literal eyes. It means the world will recognize Christ’s presence by the establishment of His righteous kingdom on Earth. (Zechariah 14:3.) All will be resurrected. (John 5:28-29) Additionally, “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:9 NKJV) Mankind will be restored to perfect health. (Isaiah 35:4-10)

Eventually, every eye shall discern Him and know that the Lord is present!
This just tells me, Jesus was asked the time in which is physical presence will return to the earth.
 
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Parousia means presence. (See 2 Corinthians 10:10; Philippians 2:12.) Sadly, most Bible translators have injected their theological, doctrinal biases into their translations and have used the word “coming” for parousia. However, Thayer’s Greek Lexicon of the Bible accurately gives the definition as “presence” or “arrival.” Additionally, Professor Robert Young in Young's Literal Translation of the Bible also preserves the meaning of parousia as presence. An example of the integrity of Young’s translation is in Matthew 24:3 (YLT), “And when he (Jesus) is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, ‘Tell us, when shall these be? and what is the sign of thy presence (parousia), and of the full end of the age?’”

In His answer, our Lord then goes into detail telling his disciples what events should transpire and were yet to happen so that they would know when Jesus had returned. Jesus said, “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.” (Matthew 24:42 NKJV) Remember, Jesus returns as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 (NKJV), “For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.” A thief does not announce his presence!

Having a proper understanding of parousia can greatly alter the thought of the manner and object of the Second Advent of Christ. Our Lord was preparing the disciples to recognize that a length of time was going to intervene between his first and second advents, and that they should be watchful for all that would transpire.

This means that our Lord would be present, and there would be many who would not know it. How can this be? Wouldn’t every Christian recognize the Lord? No. Some Christians are either not watching and therefore, do know not what “time” it is, or they are looking for the wrong thing.
Jesus said, “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also.” John 14:19 (NKJV) How do we harmonize this with Revelation 1:7 (NKJV), “Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him (see Zechariah 12:10). And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him”?

Revelation 1:7 is not talking about our literal eyes. It means the world will recognize Christ’s presence by the establishment of His righteous kingdom on Earth. (Zechariah 14:3.) All will be resurrected. (John 5:28-29) Additionally, “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:9 NKJV) Mankind will be restored to perfect health. (Isaiah 35:4-10)

Eventually, every eye shall discern Him and know that the Lord is present!
Jesus had a Parousia of a sort when he rode through Jerusalem on a donkey while the children sang the Hosanna. (Lord save us) Israel was expecting a "soter", translated "savior" a leader that would save them from their enemies so that they might worship God in peace. (Luke 1:74) Jesus appeared in his temple, healing the sick, which is probably why the children were singing the Hosanna. The people eagerly awaited the coming of the messiah and Jesus was in the temple doing his "Parousia-thing." Matthew 21. All of these events were very familiar to anyone who studied the prophecies looking for signs of the arrival of the King. The savior was in his temple healing the sick and pronouncing salvation and forgiveness to a nation that repents.

Jesus secretly tells his disciples that the temple would be destroyed, not leaving one stone upon another. Oops. We didn't see THAT coming. Without a temple, how will Jesus continue to do his "Parousia-thing?" He has already arrived, he has already performed many of the expected signs of his arrival and his presence.

When is he going to officially "arrive" as King?
The disciples certainly believed that Jesus was already doing his "Parousia-thing" in anticipation of his inauguration as King and Savior of Israel. In their minds, I suspect, it was only a matter of time. But Jesus was going to die on a cross for his people, ascend up to heaven, and remain absent for centuries. There was going to be a Second Advent, a second time Jesus would ride into Jerusalem and during his second Advent, he would finally be inaugurated as King at a time when the people would finally and officially say, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." Matthew 23:39

The disciples were NOT asking Jesus about the Second Advent because they didn't understand that a Second Advent would be necessary. It never entered their mind, at that point, that Jesus would die for their sins, resurrect, ascend to heaven and stay there for over two millennia. They wanted to know when Jesus was going to serve as King, taking his place as the leader of his people. His disciples had already seen the Advent of the Lord and witnessed his healing ministry from his temple. He was already doing his Parousia-thing. When will he begin to reign as king and what will that look like? (signs)

Jesus had to explain that a Second Advent would be necessary. And what would the Second Advent look like? What are the signs of the Second Advent? Jesus is going to arrive from heaven, riding on a white horse to do battle with the great kings of the earth. Revelation 19:11ff Rather than looking for the signs to appear in Jerusalem, they need to look to the sky for his appearing. There will be signs in the sun and the moon, and he will appear from the sky. They should look for the sign of the son of man to appear in the sky. Matthew 24:30

Jesus warned his disciples against those who will say that the Lord is hiding in a room somewhere. Luke 17:22-25
 

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Jesus had a Parousia of a sort when he rode through Jerusalem on a donkey while the children sang the Hosanna. (Lord save us) Israel was expecting a "soter", translated "savior" a leader that would save them from their enemies so that they might worship God in peace. (Luke 1:74) Jesus appeared in his temple, healing the sick, which is probably why the children were singing the Hosanna. The people eagerly awaited the coming of the messiah and Jesus was in the temple doing his "Parousia-thing." Matthew 21. All of these events were very familiar to anyone who studied the prophecies looking for signs of the arrival of the King. The savior was in his temple healing the sick and pronouncing salvation and forgiveness to a nation that repents.

Jesus secretly tells his disciples that the temple would be destroyed, not leaving one stone upon another. Oops. We didn't see THAT coming. Without a temple, how will Jesus continue to do his "Parousia-thing?" He has already arrived, he has already performed many of the expected signs of his arrival and his presence.

When is he going to officially "arrive" as King?
The disciples certainly believed that Jesus was already doing his "Parousia-thing" in anticipation of his inauguration as King and Savior of Israel. In their minds, I suspect, it was only a matter of time. But Jesus was going to die on a cross for his people, ascend up to heaven, and remain absent for centuries. There was going to be a Second Advent, a second time Jesus would ride into Jerusalem and during his second Advent, he would finally be inaugurated as King at a time when the people would finally and officially say, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." Matthew 23:39

The disciples were NOT asking Jesus about the Second Advent because they didn't understand that a Second Advent would be necessary. It never entered their mind, at that point, that Jesus would die for their sins, resurrect, ascend to heaven and stay there for over two millennia. They wanted to know when Jesus was going to serve as King, taking his place as the leader of his people. His disciples had already seen the Advent of the Lord and witnessed his healing ministry from his temple. He was already doing his Parousia-thing. When will he begin to reign as king and what will that look like? (signs)

Jesus had to explain that a Second Advent would be necessary. And what would the Second Advent look like? What are the signs of the Second Advent? Jesus is going to arrive from heaven, riding on a white horse to do battle with the great kings of the earth. Revelation 19:11ff

Jesus warned his disciples against those who will say that the Lord is hiding in a room somewhere. Luke 17:22-25
JESUS does not get inaugurated as King during Matthew 23:39
 

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JESUS does not get inaugurated as King during Matthew 23:39
Well, I don't when the official event will take place. All I know is that Jesus won't return a second time until his people are ready to admit that he is the messiah, the one who comes in the name of the Lord.

When does the inauguration take place in your opinion? I would like to know.
 
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Well, I don't when the official event will take place. All I know is that Jesus won't return a second time until his people are ready to admit that he is the messiah, the one who comes in the name of the Lord.

When does the inauguration take place in your opinion? I would like to know.
You are 100% CORRECT in 'Parousia' of Matthew 23:37-39

There are two different types of 'parousia'.
one comes from man's intellect
the other, True Parousia, only comes from the Holy Spirit in fellowship with the Word(Holy Scripture).
 

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i think it means the rapture at the 2nd coming of Jesus, believers have very differnt views on the meaning
 

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Well, I don't when the official event will take place. All I know is that Jesus won't return a second time until his people are ready to admit that he is the messiah, the one who comes in the name of the Lord.

When does the inauguration take place in your opinion? I would like to know.

the WORD was always King over the earth and it's inhabitants

the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us

the WORD returned to His FATHER where HE sits as King of kings and Lord of lords = NOW/TODAY
 

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the WORD was always King over the earth and it's inhabitants

the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us

the WORD returned to His FATHER where HE sits as King of kings and Lord of lords = NOW/TODAY
Luke 4:5
5 And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
 

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Luke 4:5
5 And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
What do you see here in Matthew 4:5 ???
 

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Parousia means presence. (See 2 Corinthians 10:10; Philippians 2:12.) Sadly, most Bible translators have injected their theological, doctrinal biases into their translations and have used the word “coming” for parousia. However, Thayer’s Greek Lexicon of the Bible accurately gives the definition as “presence” or “arrival.” Additionally, Professor Robert Young in Young's Literal Translation of the Bible also preserves the meaning of parousia as presence. An example of the integrity of Young’s translation is in Matthew 24:3 (YLT), “And when he (Jesus) is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, ‘Tell us, when shall these be? and what is the sign of thy presence (parousia), and of the full end of the age?’”

In His answer, our Lord then goes into detail telling his disciples what events should transpire and were yet to happen so that they would know when Jesus had returned. Jesus said, “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.” (Matthew 24:42 NKJV) Remember, Jesus returns as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 (NKJV), “For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.” A thief does not announce his presence!

Having a proper understanding of parousia can greatly alter the thought of the manner and object of the Second Advent of Christ. Our Lord was preparing the disciples to recognize that a length of time was going to intervene between his first and second advents, and that they should be watchful for all that would transpire.

This means that our Lord would be present, and there would be many who would not know it. How can this be? Wouldn’t every Christian recognize the Lord? No. Some Christians are either not watching and therefore, do know not what “time” it is, or they are looking for the wrong thing.
Jesus said, “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also.” John 14:19 (NKJV) How do we harmonize this with Revelation 1:7 (NKJV), “Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him (see Zechariah 12:10). And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him”?

Revelation 1:7 is not talking about our literal eyes. It means the world will recognize Christ’s presence by the establishment of His righteous kingdom on Earth. (Zechariah 14:3.) All will be resurrected. (John 5:28-29) Additionally, “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:9 NKJV) Mankind will be restored to perfect health. (Isaiah 35:4-10)

Eventually, every eye shall discern Him and know that the Lord is present!
Paruosia does mean "presence". but what many people do not realize is that it can mean a proximate presence (an arrival) or a relative presence ( as in near)

Both the rapture and the physical return of Jesus are called Paruosia. And it is correct for both separate events.

For teh rapture- it is a relative presence (Jesus only descends to teh atmosphere) while at His return itis a proximate presence as He actually sets foot on earth.
 

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Jesus warned his disciples against those who will say that the Lord is hiding in a room somewhere. Luke 17:22-25
Okay, let's look at these verses:

And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. - Luke 17:22

The implication here was that those particular disciples would not live unto Jesus’ Kingdom. It has taken almost 2,000 years to select the elect class who will eventually deal with billions of people. God knows exactly how much time is required. The “days of the Son of man” would be the days of Jesus’ Second Presence.

And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. - Luke 17:23

This verse is a second witness to Matthew 24:24-26. Jesus was warning, “If there is a seeming visual representation of me, believe it not.” “See here” and “see there” indicates a geographic location of something visual. In Matthew 24, Jesus admonished his followers not to look for him in a seance (“secret chambers”) or in the “desert.” There have been false Christs all down the age, but a special test will occur at the end of the age. Some will say, “Come here. We will show you Christ.” DO NOT FOLLOW THEM. Jesus warned us to be wary of a misdirection or a false representation. We should not be too hasty to follow what purports to be truth.

For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. - Luke 17:24

“Lightning” (Greek astrape) is the bright shiner, that is, the sun. Luke 11:36 mentions the “bright shining” (astrape) of a candle. A candle lightens—it is a bright shining in a dark room. Hence astrape is a bright shining whether referring to the sun or to a humble candle.

Where Luke 17:24 has from “one part under heaven ... unto the other part,” the companion text Matthew 24:27 has from “the east ... unto the west.” Matthew 24:27 reads, “For as the lightning [astrape] cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming [parousia, presence] of the Son of man be.” This text refers to the light of the sun rather than to the sun itself. At dawn, the sun lightens the whole world. In this future “light” of the Second Presence, no one will be able to point to the specific presence of the Son of man, for his presence will be everywhere, worldwide, universal in its influence.

Matthew 28:3 states, “His countenance was like lightning [astrape], and his raiment white as snow.” The angel’s countenance was not like jagged light. Rather, a radiance, or luminescence, beamed from his face. If the intended meaning were “literal lightning,” the woman could not have seen the angel’s facial features.

Revelation 11:19 is another pertinent text: “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen ... lightnings [astrape], and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.” However, not all lightning is jagged; for example, heat lightning is an exception. Thus the thought is of bright light, which represents startling revelations.

Luke 10:18 reads, “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” As a bright shiner, Satan fell from heaven. Lucifer, a brilliant intellectual being, descended like a bright light falling into the abyss. This is another instance where astrape does not mean jagged lightning. The angelic host would have been awestruck that such a brilliant one could fall. Satan’s wisdom was so great it went to his head—conceit, ambition, and pride entered in. Jesus’ disposition was the opposite.

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. - Luke 17:25

Before the Kingdom could come, Jesus had to be rejected and crucified.

RR