What is the purpose of infant baptism?

[BreadOfLife]

I see how you Catholics think. You think in the name means not actually saying the name.
You think that when Jesus commanded them to baptize in the name of the father son and Holy Ghost means not saying in the name of the father son Holy Ghost.
You think that just thinking is as good as speaking.
Wow…Such scriptural intellect.

Another LIE on YOUR part . . .

I have said repeatedly that all real Christians Baptize in the manner prescribed by Jesus Himself in Matt. 28:19:
“In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”

Why are you having such difficulty retaining this??

 

[Truther]

Another LIE on YOUR part . . .

I have said repeatedly that all real Christians Baptize in the manner prescribed by Jesus Himself in Matt. 28:19:
“In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”

Why are you having such difficulty retaining this??

I guess it is a struggle for me to think that the name of the son is “son”. Some people just think his name is son. I don’t know, what do you think, son?

 

[Johann]

Technically, the Son’s name is NOT mentioned – only His title/role in the Trinity.

For YOU to insist that His name IS mentioned in Matt.18:19 is either a LIE – or just another Scriptural blunder on YOUR part . . .

So who is the Son? Not Jesus?

Matthew 3:17 (ESV):

"And behold, a voice from heaven said, 'This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.'"
Context: At Jesus' baptism, God the Father declares Jesus as His Son.
Matthew 16:16 (ESV):

"Simon Peter replied, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'"
Context: Peter's confession of Jesus' identity.
Mark 1:1 (ESV):

"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God."
Context: Mark's introduction to his Gospel, identifying Jesus as the Son of God.
Luke 1:35 (ESV):

"And the angel answered her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.'"
Context: The angel Gabriel's announcement to Mary about Jesus' birth.
John 1:34 (ESV):

"And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God."
Context: John the Baptist's testimony about Jesus.
John 20:31 (ESV):

"But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."
Context: Purpose statement of the Gospel of John.
Epistles
Romans 1:4 (ESV):

"And was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord."
Context: Paul’s introduction to the Romans, affirming Jesus' divine sonship through His resurrection.
Galatians 2:20 (ESV):

"I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."
Context: Paul's personal testimony of faith in Jesus as the Son of God.
Hebrews 4:14 (ESV):

"Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession."
Context: Jesus is identified as the Son of God and the great high priest.
Other New Testament Writings
2 Peter 1:17 (ESV):

"For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, 'This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,'"
Context: Peter recounts the Transfiguration, where Jesus is affirmed as the Son of God by the Father.
1 John 4:15 (ESV):

"Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God."
Context: John emphasizes the importance of confessing Jesus as the Son of God for fellowship with God.
1 John 5:5 (ESV):

"Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?"
Context: John underscores the victory of those who believe in Jesus as the Son of God.
Summary
The New Testament clearly and consistently identifies Jesus as the Son of God through direct statements, divine declarations, and apostolic teachings. These references are foundational to Christian theology, affirming Jesus' divine nature and His unique relationship with God the Father.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Hahaha

Ahhhh, yes - the nervous laugh.

That's the best you've got??
Surely, you can do better than that . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Since the sons name is not mentioned, and only the title of the son per Matthew 28:19, just take a wild guess of what the sons name is per the verse…
I will make it multiple-choice in case you are greatly struggling.

A…Joe
B…Jeff
C…Jimmy
D…son
E…Jesus
Pick one

We real Christians DO know His name is Jesus.
YOU claim that He is Jesus, Jr. . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I guess it is a struggle for me to think that the name of the son is “son”. Some people just think his name is son. I don’t know, what do you think, son?

So who is the Son? Not Jesus?

Oh no - idiocy is contagious . . .

 

[Johann]

Oh no - idiocy is contagious . . .

Play games elsewhere.

Matthew 3:17 (ESV):

"And behold, a voice from heaven said, 'This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.'"
Context: At Jesus' baptism, God the Father declares Jesus as His Son.
Matthew 16:16 (ESV):

"Simon Peter replied, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'"
Context: Peter's confession of Jesus' identity.
Mark 1:1 (ESV):

"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God."
Context: Mark's introduction to his Gospel, identifying Jesus as the Son of God.
Luke 1:35 (ESV):

"And the angel answered her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.'"
Context: The angel Gabriel's announcement to Mary about Jesus' birth.
John 1:34 (ESV):

"And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God."
Context: John the Baptist's testimony about Jesus.
John 20:31 (ESV):

"But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."
Context: Purpose statement of the Gospel of John.
Epistles
Romans 1:4 (ESV):

"And was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord."
Context: Paul’s introduction to the Romans, affirming Jesus' divine sonship through His resurrection.
Galatians 2:20 (ESV):

"I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."
Context: Paul's personal testimony of faith in Jesus as the Son of God.
Hebrews 4:14 (ESV):

"Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession."
Context: Jesus is identified as the Son of God and the great high priest.
Other New Testament Writings
2 Peter 1:17 (ESV):

"For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, 'This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,'"
Context: Peter recounts the Transfiguration, where Jesus is affirmed as the Son of God by the Father.
1 John 4:15 (ESV):

"Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God."
Context: John emphasizes the importance of confessing Jesus as the Son of God for fellowship with God.
1 John 5:5 (ESV):

"Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?"
Context: John underscores the victory of those who believe in Jesus as the Son of God.
Summary
The New Testament clearly and consistently identifies Jesus as the Son of God through direct statements, divine declarations, and apostolic teachings. These references are foundational to Christian theology, affirming Jesus' divine nature and His unique relationship with God the Father.

Not only His character/onoma but IS the Messiah

 

[Johann]

We real Christians DO know His name is Jesus.
YOU claim that He is Jesus

His NAME/Character is Yeshua and He IS/HAYA Yeshua

The name "Jesus" (Greek: Ἰησοῦς, Iēsous; Hebrew: יֵשׁוּעַ, Yeshua) means "Yahweh saves" or "Yahweh is salvation." This name was given by divine instruction (Matthew 1:21), emphasizing His role in salvation.
Biblical References:

Matthew 1:21 (ESV): "She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins."
Philippians 2:10 (ESV): "So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."
The Identity of Jesus
Son of God:

Jesus is frequently referred to as the Son of God, highlighting His unique divine sonship and relationship with God the Father.
Matthew 3:17 (ESV): "And behold, a voice from heaven said, 'This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.'"
Messiah (Christ):

Jesus is acknowledged as the Messiah (the Anointed One), fulfilling Old Testament prophecies.
John 1:41 (ESV): "He first found his own brother Simon and said to him, 'We have found the Messiah' (which means Christ)."
Savior:

Jesus is recognized as the Savior who redeems humanity from sin.
Luke 2:11 (ESV): "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord."
Lord:

Jesus is also called Lord, denoting His authority and divinity.
Romans 10:9 (ESV): "Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
Relationship Between Name and Identity
The Name Represents His Mission: The name "Jesus" encapsulates His mission of salvation. It is not merely a label but a declaration of His purpose and divine role.
The Identity Defines His Nature: Who Jesus is encompasses His divine and human natures, His fulfillment of prophecy, His redemptive work, and His eternal lordship. His identity includes His titles (Son of God, Messiah, Savior, Lord) and His works.

 

[Johann]

Since the sons name is not mentioned, and only the title of the son per Matthew 28:19, just take a wild guess of what the sons name is per the verse…

I will make it multiple-choice in case you are greatly struggling.

A…Joe

B…Jeff

C…Jimmy

D…son

E…Jesus


Pick one

He/she is nitpicking-the name/character of messiah/Jesus cannot be separated from who He IS-Messiah/Jesus. And judging from the long delay he/she is frantically looking this up.

Theological Perspective
In biblical theology, names often convey the essence of a person's identity and purpose. For Jesus, His name is not just a label but a declaration of His mission and identity as the Messiah, the Savior, and the Son of God. The character and mission of Jesus are encapsulated in His name, reflecting His divine nature and redemptive purpose.

Conclusion
It is correct to assert that the name and character of the Messiah cannot be separated from who He is. The name "Jesus" signifies His mission and identity, and in the biblical context, names often encapsulate the essence of a person's role and nature. Therefore, understanding Jesus as the Messiah includes recognizing that His name, mission, and identity are intrinsically linked.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You are another one that does not believe that God was inside Jesus.

That's false because Jesus said God was in Him...

You are one of those that denies the Father and denies the Holy Spirit.

God is a person that has 3 parts just like He made us to be one person with 3 parts.... spirit, soul, and body.

Little children can grasp this but some of the adults... not so much

You think there are multiple persons making up God

Ever see all the scriptures about the Father?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Jesus?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Holy Spirit?


1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

Some folk won't let what God's Word says get in the way of what they believe.

Question, why do the first and third persons not have humanity and only the second person has humanity? Please give me an explanation. Thank you.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

You'd be way ahead to simply believe what God says in His Word.

But, somehow I get the feeling you will continue to be con fused by not accepting what the Lord says in His Word.

 

[Truther]

We real Christians DO know His name is Jesus.
YOU claim that He is Jesus, Jr. . . .

If you know, the name of the son is Jesus, why don’t you baptize in the name of Jesus? You baptize under an assumption that the son has a name.

 

[Truther]

Oh no - idiocy is contagious . . .

Yes, I believe I must be an idiot to think that the name of the son is son and not Jesus. If I was only a Catholic…

 

[Truther]

He/she is nitpicking-the name/character of messiah/Jesus cannot be separated from who He IS-Messiah/Jesus. And judging from the long delay he/she is frantically looking this up.

Theological Perspective
In biblical theology, names often convey the essence of a person's identity and purpose. For Jesus, His name is not just a label but a declaration of His mission and identity as the Messiah, the Savior, and the Son of God. The character and mission of Jesus are encapsulated in His name, reflecting His divine nature and redemptive purpose.

Conclusion
It is correct to assert that the name and character of the Messiah cannot be separated from who He is. The name "Jesus" signifies His mission and identity, and in the biblical context, names often encapsulate the essence of a person's role and nature. Therefore, understanding Jesus as the Messiah includes recognizing that His name, mission, and identity are intrinsically linked.

You still are not communicating to me if you think the name of the son per Matthew 28:19 is “Jesus” or “son”.

Please pick per the verse.

 

[Truther]

That's false because Jesus said God was in Him...

You are one of those that denies the Father and denies the Holy Spirit.

God is a person that has 3 parts just like He made us to be one person with 3 parts.... spirit, soul, and body.

Little children can grasp this but some of the adults... not so much




Ever see all the scriptures about the Father?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Jesus?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Holy Spirit?


1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

Some folk won't let what God's Word says get in the way of what they believe.





John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

You'd be way ahead to simply believe what God says in His Word.

But, somehow I get the feeling you will continue to be con fused by not accepting what the Lord says in His Word.

OK, let’s discuss this. Another question. Do you think that Jesus right now is bodily omnipresent and all of the fullness of God is inside of him bodily?

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

It is pleasing unto God, IF and When a man Accepts Jesus.

Jesus, who was SENT forth out of Gods Mouth, From Heaven, To Earth, in a God PREPARED BODY, in the LIKENESS “AS” A Man, for earthly men to SEE, to HEAR…the very SAME WHOM God SAID, God Himself “would be” “A” Father to Jesus, whom God SENT, and Jesus, so sent to Earth, “would be to God” “A” Son.

Do we NOT KNOW…those called SON, become the FATHER?

Do we NOT KNOW…That which IS “IN” God, “IS” God…? His Word, His Power, His Spirit…
“IS” God!

Gods Word, Gods Power, Gods Spirit…pours FORTH out FROM GOD……YET Remains IN God.

Jesus IS NOT “LIKE” God…Jesus IS God, having come forth OUT from God (while remaining IN God), IN A FASHION of manifestation FOR stubborn, stiffnecked, hard headed men TO SEE…BECAUSE simply BELIEVING Gods Word and SEEING Gods Works…were not naturally conducive for MEN to Believe IN an INVISIBLE God.

Centuries later…nothing new…the majority of men CAN NOT BELIEVE, what they CAN NOT SEE.

I agree with everything said thus far. I shouldn't have to remind a staff member that the Holy Trinity is a banned topic, unless the admins are slowly easing up on the Trinity ban. I don't know. But It is probably the One thing that unites Christians, most Protestants, Orthodox and Catholics. and it is evident to me you are describing, in a certain way, The Holy Trinity. It's a good post. I acknowledge truth wherever it is found, even though you really bug me sometimes.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit IN Jesus’ NAME is wholly sufficient and INCLUSIVE and HONORABLE unto the Lord God Almighty.

An experience of the Holy Spirit with manifested gifts, is valuable, but it is not baptism.
Water/spirit baptism, a requirement for all Christians as commanded by Jesus Himself, is not the same as an experience later on.
I notice that objectors to water/spirit baptism always leave our "spirit" and focus on just "water". "Water cult" is a stupid insult based on ignorance and amounts to religious bullying.

"Baptism of the Holy Spirit" is a euphemism for an experience, but it is not baptism. In baptism, we die with Christ, and rise with Him. Sanctifying grace is restored, its not an ornament. It's normal, for that is what God intended for all His children. Being born with original sin is not normal, but we don't think of it that way. The Bible says there is ONE baptism for the remission of sins; that has nothing to do with the gift of tongues.

 

[Fred J]

Fred, all I’m trying to do is get you to get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins. It’s not that hard. It’s like pulling teeth to many, but if you lived in the first century, it wouldn’t be pulling teeth. You would’ve gladly done it.

i just can't get a hold of you to listen, you're on an express train that's about to get derailed.

For the record, am baptized since 2006, and because of my Good Shepherd who called and disciple me. Therefore voice out to me saying, "No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the Kingdom of GOD."

Am not leaving for yesterday or for tomorrow, but for today with the FATHER, Son and the Holy Ghost. And my GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ, 'the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever'.

'Yea, let GOD be true, but every man liar.' Or, 'GOD is not a man, that HE should lie; neither the son of man, that HE should repent: hath HE said, and shall HE not do it? or hath HE spoken, and shall HE not make it good.'

Don’t you know you’ve been indoctrinated by modern theology? You would’ve done it in a heartbeat if you lived in the times of the apostles.

'Be not deceived; GOD is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.'

Under FATHER, Son and Holy Ghost watchful eyes it happened, and changes from the times of the Apostles, seriously??

'Yea, they turned back and tempted GOD, and limited the Holy One of Israel.'

How faithless your testament can be, and that's why the other sects of this world going around proclaiming our Holy Bible is corrupted since??

 

[Taken]

I agree with everything said thus far. I shouldn't have to remind a staff member that the Holy Trinity is a banned topic,

I did not mention a banned topic, nor require a reminder to Not do, what I did Not do!

…you really bug me sometimes.

Ditto.

An experience of the Holy Spirit with manifested gifts, is valuable, but it is not baptism.

I have spoken at length of the difference between one being WITH…which I never said or implied was Baptism of the Holy Spirit…
AND
“WITH-IN”…which is Expressly one who has received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Water/spirit baptism, a requirement for all Christians as commanded by Jesus Himself,

Disagree.
John’s Baptism was with water….
Christ Jesus’ Baptism is with Spirit…

is not the same as an experience later on.

I am well aware of the difference regarding… water/ Holy Spirit Baptism…and WITH or WiTHIN Christ Jesus…

"Baptism of the Holy Spirit" is a euphemism for an experience, but it is not baptism.

Disagree.

In baptism, we die with Christ, and rise with Him. Sanctifying grace is restored, its not an ornament. It's normal, for that is what God intended for all His children. Being born with original sin is not normal, but we don't think of it that way. The Bible says there is ONE baptism for the remission of sins; that has nothing to do with the gift of tongues.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit…is not what you are describing…”grace restored, original sin not normal, gifts of tongues…

Glory to God

 

[Fred J]

Jesus, who was SENT forth out of Gods Mouth,

Red Flag, there's no verse to support that, but probably the one that is irrelevant, '....... but by the every word that proceeded out of HIS mouth.'

Before Jesus the man, He was the Word in the beginning, was a spirit person with GOD the FATHER in the Majesty On High. And is God of all creation since He created them, in Heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him, yet overall subjected to the FATHER.

The Lord, the spirit person, and the Word represents every word of GOD, from Heaven, came down to earth to become the son of man. Born from the line of Judah and linage of David, to become also the King of Israel, and for ever. Amen

Do we NOT KNOW…those called SON, become the FATHER?

That's in the earthly realm, where the father also dies one day, and the Son too become a father one day cum dies, in the temporal kingdom. And merely a shadow of what's in the Heavenly realm, where the true image really is and resides. There the FATHER remains the FATHER and the Son remains the Son, since it's an eternal Kingdom.

Jesus IS NOT “LIKE” God…Jesus IS God,

Jesus is indeed in the likeness and image of GOD the FATHER by spirit and flesh in person, and He is definitely not GOD the FATHER. He is God the Son subjected to the invisible FATHER who art in Heaven and in secret. Yet God the Son is over all creation, whether in Heaven or on earth.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit IN Jesus’ NAME is wholly sufficient and INCLUSIVE and HONORABLE unto the Lord God Almighty.

Again Red Flag, then Jesus didn't have give them the commission to baptize all nation who come to believe, in the name of the FATHER, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Or let's just speculate, later secretly Jesus met Peter, admitted He made a mistake, instructing Peter from now on to baptize them in His name alone?? Well like the gnostic let's invent a whole new mystic gospel for a change to change??

Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, of the FATHER, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is legitimate scripturally. Clearly understood only by the true born again infants and children of the Kingdom of GOD in Christ.

This is my faith testimony according to the New Testament context and sound doctrine, period

 

[Truther]

i just can't get a hold of you to listen, you're on an express train that's about to get derailed.

For the record, am baptized since 2006, and because of my Good Shepherd who called and disciple me. Therefore voice out to me saying, "No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the Kingdom of GOD."

Am not leaving for yesterday or for tomorrow, but for today with the FATHER, Son and the Holy Ghost. And my GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ, 'the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever'.

'Yea, let GOD be true, but every man liar.' Or, 'GOD is not a man, that HE should lie; neither the son of man, that HE should repent: hath HE said, and shall HE not do it? or hath HE spoken, and shall HE not make it good.'

'Be not deceived; GOD is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.'

Under FATHER, Son and Holy Ghost watchful eyes it happened, and changes from the times of the Apostles, seriously??

'Yea, they turned back and tempted GOD, and limited the Holy One of Israel.'

How faithless your testament can be, and that's why the other sects of this world going around proclaiming our Holy Bible is corrupted since??

Fred, were you baptized specifically in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins in 2006? That is what I’m trying to find out. Or did they say father son and Holy Ghost?

 

[Truther]

I agree with everything said thus far. I shouldn't have to remind a staff member that the Holy Trinity is a banned topic, unless the admins are slowly easing up on the Trinity ban. I don't know. But It is probably the One thing that unites Christians, most Protestants, Orthodox and Catholics. and it is evident to me you are describing, in a certain way, The Holy Trinity. It's a good post. I acknowledge truth wherever it is found, even though you really bug me sometimes.

An experience of the Holy Spirit with manifested gifts, is valuable, but it is not baptism.
Water/spirit baptism, a requirement for all Christians as commanded by Jesus Himself, is not the same as an experience later on.
I notice that objectors to water/spirit baptism always leave our "spirit" and focus on just "water". "Water cult" is a stupid insult based on ignorance and amounts to religious bullying.

"Baptism of the Holy Spirit" is a euphemism for an experience, but it is not baptism. In baptism, we die with Christ, and rise with Him. Sanctifying grace is restored, its not an ornament. It's normal, for that is what God intended for all His children. Being born with original sin is not normal, but we don't think of it that way. The Bible says there is ONE baptism for the remission of sins; that has nothing to do with the gift of tongues.

There is a Trinity ban on this forum? That’s interesting. Can somebody explain that to me please? I am not Trinitarian, but that’s the first forum I’ve heard of that banned Trinity.