"Would He want Himself to be glorified? Doesn't this go against what you're saying?"
How could I know??
You didn't post what I said !
Jesus did not want Himself to be glorified while on earth, but only AFTER the ascension.
Also, as you know, He was afraid that He might be killed before His ministry was completed. Thus, the hiding.
He DID ask the apostles WHO He was.
Peter asnwered, The Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus told him that only the Father could have revealed that to him. (Peter)
Mathew 16:15-17
i don't see how, you would have to explain what you mean there, but nonetheless that was an answer to, specifically, some Greeks (meaning logical thinkers imo) that asked Philip "Sir, we want to see Jesus." And Philip went and told Andrew, and they both "went and told Jesus," which is not just idle chatter either, Greeks who have come to worship asking Philip, and Philip telling Andrew, and both of them telling Jesus has meaning. And His reply was "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified..." and then notice that He immediately makes the same little speech about basically who the Son of Man is.
The HOUR HAS COME FOR THE SON OF MAN TO BE GLORIFIED.
This is what I said in my answer above. HIS TIME had to come.
Please explain why it's important that Phillip told Andrew and Andrew told Jesus...
So, while it is certainly tempting to assume that Christ meant Himself only, we can see the pains that He goes to to "hide Himself" from this definition, meaning possibly that it is true in a sense, sure enough, but that we are led to make an incorrect assumption in our def of "Son of Man" here that is not intended. And while you may of course believe what you like, Jesus was a man. A man with God as His head, but still a man.
Jesus DID hide Himself from the definition. As previously stated, it was not His time yet. As He also said at the wedding at Cana.
John 2:4
And, yes, Jesus was certainly a man while here: the hypostatic union:
100% man
100% God
or Fully _God and Fully man.
But He did speak with authority, as none before Him.
Mathew 7:28-29
And imo God nor Christ speak in puzzles to intentionally deceive; it is just likely that trying to define God or Christ from our pov is a waste of time. The best you can hope for in that scenario is to arrive at a belief that excludes others from your conception of "saved," when they state a belief that varies from yours, and now you are adversaries over something that neither of you can prove
God cannot be known.
Jesus can be known, and through Him we get a very small image of God. We get wha we need to know.
Jesus did not speak in parables to intentionally deceive. IMO He spoke in parables for a few reasons.
1. So that simple people could understand complicated philosophical issues by using everyday objects and Language that they could relate to.
2. So that, by hearing the parable, they might be able to add something of their own understanding to it.
3. So that those hearing would have to make an effort in understanding the things of God. When we wish to enter into the Kingdom, we must also understand that there is a price o pay -- this has to be considered. If it sounds to easy, we will be disappointed in Learning that some WORK IS required and we may be persecuted and frowned upon. All things that must be accepted.
"Only God could be glorified."
yes, making Jesus' statement rather odd, a logical problem, good catch btw, never noticed it. See that the answer was a reply to some "Greeks," who asked one Apostle, and that Apostle went to another Apostle, and only then did the request come to Jesus. Imo this is Jesus' way of saying that Greeks, logical thinkers who supposedly came to worship Jesus, right, would end up glorifying Jesus through the Apostles, and Jesus is not seeking glory, in fact about to go down in apparent ignominy, hung on a tree and cursed; (not even the legal punishment for the charges against Him btw), for which Jesus certainly does not expect any glory, or even praise imo
I agree.
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