What is truth?

[Matthias]

modernists I’m sure!

They even opposed the historical portrayal of the Jews in the film the passion of the Christ

we don’t want to offend anyone!

anyone accept traditional faithful Catholics anyways!

What about abortion? Do you support that too?

 

[theefaith]

Yes, but the state doesn’t always execute justice.

absolute requirement of the state
Justice!

 

[Matthias]

absolute requirement of the state
Justice!

I don’t think you would last very long in China, North Korea …

I worked for the state for over thirty years. It is a mixture of good and evil.

I was occasionally asked / ordered to do evil. I refused all such requests. The deeds were carried out by others.

 

[theefaith]

I don’t think you would last very long in China, North Korea …

I worked for the state for over thirty years. It is a mixture of good and evil.

I was occasionally asked / ordered to do evil. I refused all such requests. The deeds were carried out by others.

the state requires the influence of the church to be virtuous and just!

 

[Behold]

fully God
Fully man
Two natures two wills in the one person of Christ

Christ the 2nd Adam, just like 1st Adam, had one will, His own free will. ...However, God's Holy Seed is Christ Virgin born.
Adam was made of "earth".

Christ was willing to do His Father's will, and did..... Adam was not willing.

 

[Matthias]

Moses is a type of Christ. See Moses Typology.

“And the Lord said to Moses, Lo! I have made thee the god of Pharaoh …”

(Exodus 7:1, WYC)

“What more shall I say? Has he not also enjoyed an even greater communion with the Father and Creator of the universe, being thought unworthy of being called by the same appellation? For he was also called the god and king of the whole nation, and he is said to have entered the darkness where God was; …”

(Philo, The Life of Moses, 1, XXVIII, (158))

Philo: On the Life of Moses, I

 

[theefaith]

Christ the 2nd Adam, just like 1st Adam, had one will, His own free will. ...However, God's Holy Seed is Christ Virgin born.
Adam was made of "earth".

Christ was willing to do His Father's will, and did..... Adam was not willing.

a divine nature?
A divine will!

a human nature?
A human will!

 

[Matthias]

the state requires the influence of the church to be virtuous and just!

It had it and still acted without virtue and unjustly on occasion.

 

[theefaith]

It had it and still acted without virtue and unjustly on occasion.

true enough

we are not called to be successful only faithful!

 

[Matthias]

true enough

we are not called to be successful only faithful!

Would you obey the state if/when it requires you to do something evil? (I wouldn’t, didn’t and won’t.)

Do you think what Paul wrote (see your post #316) requires us to? (I don’t.)

 

[CadyandZoe]

Matt 23:9
Call no man Father?
Is this an absolute requirement?

Indulgences
Acts of the apostles 8:18

Church fathers
Testimony of the early church in the successors of the apostles!
We must hear them!

NEVER!
Mark 12:7
John 5:43

 

[Matthias]

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

Is the Trinity 1 self or 3 selves?

 

[theefaith]

Would you obey the state if/when it requires you to do something evil? (I wouldn’t, didn’t and won’t.)

Do you think what Paul wrote (see your post #316) requires us to? (I don’t.)

no I obey God rather than men!

 

[theefaith]

Indulgences
Acts of the apostles 8:18


NEVER!
Mark 12:7
John 5:43

they are the witnesses of Christ!
Acts 1:8

 

[theefaith]

Spiritual anarchy and disobedience are not Christian virtues

 

[theefaith]

Is the Trinity 1 self or 3 selves?

1 nature 3 persons

just like three human persons are unique and distinct yet they share one human nature

 

[Matthias]

1 nature 3 persons

just like three human persons are unique and distinct yet they share one human nature

How many selves? Some trinitarians say 1; some trinitarians say 3.

Are you a 1 self trinitarian or a 3 selves trinitarian?

 

[theefaith]

How many selves? Some trinitarians say 1; some trinitarians say 3.

Are you a 1 self trinitarian or a 3 selves trinitarian?

what is a self?

one divine nature three divine persons

 

[Matthias]

what is a self?

Scripture speaks of “God himself”. Is “self” any different than “himself”?

one divine nature three divine persons

Is “self” in there, in your comment, anywhere?

 

[Matthias]

Is the Trinity 1 self and 3 selves?

Some trinitarians believe the Trinity is 1 self.

Some trinitarians believe the Trinity is 3 selves.

Some trinitarians have told me they don’t know whether the Trinity is 1 self or 3 selves, but I’ve not yet had a trinitarian tell me that the Trinity is 1 self and 3 selves.