What prophecies regarding Israel’s regathering have already been or are being fulfilled?

[RR144]

• The fact that they would be regathered to the land (Isa. 43:5-6 & Jer 30:3), never again to be removed (Amos 9:14) on the (millennial) day (Isa 11:11)
• First Jewish settlement called Petiteekvah (meaning, “door of hope” – Hosea 2:15) established in 1878 A.D. following permission from Berlin Congress of Nations.
• Fishers (Zionism) & Hunters (Nazi Persecution). (Jer 16:15,16). We suggest that God allowed Nazi persecution to drive the Jews back to their land, but that Satan attempted to thwart God’s plan by using this same persecution to exterminate the Jews (the earthly seed). Although God permitted this evil for a time, he finally intervened to prevent the Jewish extermination from continuing, by turning the war against Germany; thereby demonstrating that God’s intervention and care were necessary for the protection and preservation of the Jewish people. Every Jew who died in the Holocaust will come back to joy and happiness in the resurrection and with the realization of their need for a kingdom ruled by God, where all mankind can be happy and safe.
• Remnant return weeping & crying after Holocaust (Jer 31:7-9).
• No longer servants in other lands in that (millennial) day (Jer 30:8)
• Land reclamation (Amos 9:14; Isa 35:1,2; Isa. 61:4). Rebuilding of cities, clearing swamps, irrigating deserts & farming the land. In the past centuries, Israel was a barren wasteland and filled with swamps and deserts. Now God has transformed Israel into a thriving farming country which exports much of its crops and is one of the most technologically advanced nations on the planet.
• The city of Jerusalem restored to the Jewish people (Zech 12:6) in that (Millennial) day.
• Other nations (trees) springing to life along with Israel (fig tree) (Luke 21:29-30) points to nearness of the kingdom. (figs=Israel Jer 24 & Matt 21:19). With the disintigration of Europeon empires, colonies declared independence and became independent nations.
• Trains & Automobiiles: Nahum 2:3-5 and Isaiah 66:20.

 

[Gottservant]

It won't be long before the world sees the mark of the anti-Christ: that should be enough of a sign, for the believer.

 

[rdclmn72]

Dt 30 is where the return of Israel is first mentioned.

 

[Keraz]

What prophecies regarding Israel’s regathering have already been or are being fulfilled?​

None.
The real and true Israel have not yet gathered.
The fake and apostate Jewish State, that wrongly calls itself Israel have occupied a small part of the holy Land for the last 75 years. They now face the Lord's Judgment and only a remnant will survive. Amos 2:4-5, Romans 9:27

True Israelites are the Overcomers for God, from every tribe, race, nation and language, As seen in each of the seven Churches of Revelation.
The New Testament makes it quite clear: ethnicity has nothing to do with Salvation. Ephesians 2:11-18
It is the only the deceived and confused believers of a pre-trib rapture, that must have a Jewish Israel present, so they can sit in heaven and watch them get tribulated. All a lie and false teaching of the greatest magnitude, of breathtaking unbelieveableness, that leaves many in the dark about what God really does plan for the future.

 

[Davy]

When the world speaks of Israel today, they actually are only pointing to the Jews of the "house of Judah" (or old "kingdom of Judah") that God scattered by their 70 years captivity to Babylon by king Nebuchadnezzar, and then their scattering through the countries after that, and then the major scattering (Diaspora) by the Romans in 70 A.D. when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd temple.

And that "house of Judah" that the Jews represent historically were made up of only 3 tribes of old Israel, (tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi), along with a small remnant of the ten northern tribes, and the rest were foreigners that lived in the southern lands of the "house of Judah".

The ten northern tribes of Israel, known as the "house of Israel", and as... "Israel" when God split old Israel starting back at 1 Kings 11, are not Jews. The Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) said the title of 'Jew' is what those of the southern kingdom at Jerusalem-Judea called theirselves, and also the strangers that dwelt among them. Josephus said that title of Jew was derived from the tribe of Judah.

But Israel, after the split of 1 Kings 11, meant the northern ten tribe "kingdom of Israel". God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be "king of Israel" when He rent the kingdom from Solomon's son Rehoboam.

And the two kingdoms had war against each other. The "kingdom of Judah" in the south and the "kingdom of Israel" in the north, fought against each other. Solomon's son Rehoboam tried to bring the ten tribes back and make one kingdom under the house of David again, but God through His prophet told him not to, because the split was from God Himself (see 1 Kings 12).

Therefore... there can be no real... gathering of Israel, Biblically, until ALL 12 tribes are gathered back to the land, as written in God's Word.


IMPORTANT (especially for brother Judah that believes on Lord Jesus Christ):

We well know the orthodox unbelieving Jews are still waiting for their Messiah to come. They therefore still believe they are under the old covenant, which required sacrifices and a temple. (I'm speaking of the religious Jews in Israel). Bible prophecy for the end of this world we are told will bring those things back in Jerusalem at the end, a new temple, sacrifices, all supporting by the coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem, which Jesus warned us about in His Olivet discourse.

What then does the 1948 gathering of the Jews back to the holy land represent? It represents God's Promise to Judah in Jeremiah 24, where He promised to bring Judah back to the land He gave them, and never remove them again. If the Jews are not removed from the holy land again, then 1948 will have fulfilled that Jeremiah 24 promise from God. And that's it so far, and that excludes the Israel known as the ten tribes.

Today, the scattered ten tribes of Israel are hidden. Neither the Jews, nor the world, knows who they are today, but God knows, and He promised to gather them back with the "house of Judah" to the lands He promised their fathers. That has yet to happen, and won't happen until Lord Jesus Christ returns in our near future.

 

[Keraz]

Today, the scattered ten tribes of Israel are hidden. Neither the Jews, nor the world, knows who they are today, but God knows, and He promised to gather them back with the "house of Judah" to the lands He promised their fathers. That has yet to happen, and won't happen until Lord Jesus Christ returns in our near future.

Thanks Davy, you put how it is quite well.
But the great Second Exodus of God's faithful people into all of the holy Land will take place before Jesus Returns. Proved by how they are there when the Anti-Christ beast, conquers them there; Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
WE will build a new Temple, Ezekiel 40-46 and the 'beast' will stop the offerings in it, Daniel 9:26 and declare himself to be God in it. 2 Thess 2:4
42 months later, Jesus will physically Return and destroy his army and chain him up. Revelation 19:11-21

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thanks Davy, you put how it is quite well.
But the great Second Exodus of God's faithful people into all of the holy Land will take place before Jesus Returns. Proved by how they are there when the Anti-Christ beast, conquers them there; Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
WE will build a new Temple, Ezekiel 40-46 and the 'beast' will stop the offerings in it, Daniel 9:26 and declare himself to be God in it. 2 Thess 2:4

What would be the purpose of these supposed offerings made in this supposed new temple and why would the beast want to stop them? Please use scripture to support your answers.

 

[Keraz]

What would be the purpose of these supposed offerings made in this supposed new temple and why would the beast want to stop them? Please use scripture to support your answers.

God wanted His people to make sacrifices and offerings before, He will again, as Prophesied: Ezekiel 40 to 46, Isaiah 56:6-7, Zechariah 14:16-21, Daniel 9:27, 2 Thess 2:4, +

 

[covenantee]

The fact that they would be regathered to the land

Who are "they"? By what characteristics does God identify "they"?

1. DNA
2. Culture
3. Community
4. Religion

Something else?

 

[Davy]

Thanks Davy, you put how it is quite well.
But the great Second Exodus of God's faithful people into all of the holy Land will take place before Jesus Returns. Proved by how they are there when the Anti-Christ beast, conquers them there; Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
WE will build a new Temple, Ezekiel 40-46 and the 'beast' will stop the offerings in it, Daniel 9:26 and declare himself to be God in it. 2 Thess 2:4
42 months later, Jesus will physically Return and destroy his army and chain him up. Revelation 19:11-21

I disagree with their return at any... time prior to Christ's return. The gathering is by Christ Jesus when He returns, not by man.

 

[Keraz]

I disagree with their return at any... time prior to Christ's return. The gathering is by Christ Jesus when He returns, not by man.

Many Prophesies tell about the great second Exodus into all of the holy Land by all of the Lord's faithful people. Try reading Psalms 107. When does that happen and who are the people involved?
The holy people are present in Jerusalem when the AC conquers them; Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8

At His Return; Jesus sends out His angels to gather those who were kept in the place of safety. Revelation 12:14

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God wanted His people to make sacrifices and offerings before, He will again, as Prophesied: Ezekiel 40 to 46, Isaiah 56:6-7, Zechariah 14:16-21, Daniel 9:27, 2 Thess 2:4, +

Why didn't you answer my question? For what purpose would God want His people to make animal sacrifices and offerings again?

 

[Keraz]

Why didn't you answer my question? For what purpose would God want His people to make animal sacrifices and offerings again?

Ask God that.
What I know is that there will be sacrifices and offerings made in a new Temple in the end times and during the Millennium. Denial of this fact, is a direct rejection of clearly stated scripture.

 

[covenantee]

Ask God that.
What I know is that there will be sacrifices and offerings made in a new Temple in the end times and during the Millennium. Denial of this fact, is a direct rejection of clearly stated scripture.

I asked God that.

He pointed me to His Last Word on the subject in Scripture.

Hebrews 10
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Notice that verse 9?
Notice that verse 10?
Notice that verse 12?
Notice that verse 14?

 

[Keraz]

Sure; Jesus has atoned for our sins. This fact does not preclude God's requirement for future sacrifices and offerings.

When the Lord’s righteous people go to live in all of the Holy Land, soon after it is cleared and cleansed by the Lord’s Day of fiery wrath, Ezekiel 34:11-31, they will build a new Temple in Jerusalem, according to the details given in Ezekiel 40-46

Many Old Testament prophesies attest to this, how it will be built by men from far away, Zechariah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9

The New Testament too, makes it clear there will be a Temple, 2 Thess. 2:4, Rev. 11:1-2, that will exist until the end of the Millennium, when God Himself will be the Temple. Revelation 21:22

We are told that during this age of Church dispensation, Christ is our high priest and we are the spiritual Temple, 2 Cor. 6:16 and no sacrifices are required. Hosea 9:4

Hebrews 9 & 10:1-21 are the scriptures that clearly tell us that Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of our sins. Now there is no Temple and Christians are His ‘body’ on earth. This is just for the time from the early church until the new Temple is built, when there will again be offerings and thanksgiving gifts made by the Lord’s holy people. Isaiah 56:1-8, Jeremiah 33:14-15



Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 9:26-27 tells us how, in the last days, an invading leader will make a peace treaty with the holy people, but will break it and put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. Obviously there will be sacrifices and offerings taking place, for him to stop them.

This is confirmed by the prophesies detailing how it will be during the period the righteous people of God will be living the Land before the Return of Jesus:

Psalms 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.

Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple.

Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……

Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.


The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6

But we know there will be no Temple in Eternity. Revelation 21:22

 

[Davy]

Many Prophesies tell about the great second Exodus into all of the holy Land by all of the Lord's faithful people. Try reading Psalms 107. When does that happen and who are the people involved?
The holy people are present in Jerusalem when the AC conquers them; Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8

At His Return; Jesus sends out His angels to gather those who were kept in the place of safety. Revelation 12:14

You should try reading what Lord Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27. That is when the gathering will take place.

 

[covenantee]

Sure; Jesus has atoned for our sins. This fact does not preclude God's requirement for future sacrifices and offerings.

When the Lord’s righteous people go to live in all of the Holy Land, soon after it is cleared and cleansed by the Lord’s Day of fiery wrath, Ezekiel 34:11-31, they will build a new Temple in Jerusalem, according to the details given in Ezekiel 40-46

Many Old Testament prophesies attest to this, how it will be built by men from far away, Zechariah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9

The New Testament too, makes it clear there will be a Temple, 2 Thess. 2:4, Rev. 11:1-2, that will exist until the end of the Millennium, when God Himself will be the Temple. Revelation 21:22

We are told that during this age of Church dispensation, Christ is our high priest and we are the spiritual Temple, 2 Cor. 6:16 and no sacrifices are required. Hosea 9:4

Hebrews 9 & 10:1-21 are the scriptures that clearly tell us that Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of our sins. Now there is no Temple and Christians are His ‘body’ on earth. This is just for the time from the early church until the new Temple is built, when there will again be offerings and thanksgiving gifts made by the Lord’s holy people. Isaiah 56:1-8, Jeremiah 33:14-15



Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 9:26-27 tells us how, in the last days, an invading leader will make a peace treaty with the holy people, but will break it and put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. Obviously there will be sacrifices and offerings taking place, for him to stop them.

This is confirmed by the prophesies detailing how it will be during the period the righteous people of God will be living the Land before the Return of Jesus:

Psalms 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.

Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple.

Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……

Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.


The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6

But we know there will be no Temple in Eternity. Revelation 21:22

You don't have the last word.

God does.

Hebrews 10:8-14

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ask God that.

LOL. You believe something will happen, but have no idea why it will happen? It doesn't get any more ridiculous than that.

I don't need to ask God about this. The passages that you think teach future animal sacrifices, such as Ezekiel 40-46, very clearly indicate what their purpose would be. Have you never read this:

Ezekiel 45:15 Also one sheep is to be taken from every flock of two hundred from the well-watered pastures of Israel. These will be used for the grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the people, declares the Sovereign Lord. 16 All the people of the land will be required to give this special offering to the prince in Israel. 17 It will be the duty of the prince to provide the burnt offerings, grain offerings and drink offerings at the festivals, the New Moons and the Sabbaths—at all the appointed festivals of Israel. He will provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the Israelites.

This passage, that you believe will be fulfilled in the future, talks about sin offerings being made "to make atonement for the Israelites". Surely, you were already aware of this passage? If not, then why would you claim that Ezekiel 40-46 supports your doctrine if you haven't actually read it? But, I'm sure you have. And, yet, you still claim to not know what the purpose of these supposed future animal sacrifices and offerings would be, even though the passage above explicitly indicates the purpose of the animal sacrifices and offerings described in Ezekiel 40-46?

It seems that you're not being very honest here when you indicate that you don't know what their purpose would be. Is that because you know it makes no sense to believe in future animal sacrifices for the atonement of sins in light of Christ's once for all sacrifice that eliminated the need for animal sacrifices?

What I know is that there will be sacrifices and offerings made in a new Temple in the end times and during the Millennium. Denial of this fact, is a direct rejection of clearly stated scripture.

What I know is that you are wrong and that I reject your false interpretations of scripture, but not scripture itself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sure; Jesus has atoned for our sins. This fact does not preclude God's requirement for future sacrifices and offerings.

Yes, it does. You clearly either have never read the book of Hebrews or you've never believed what it teaches.

Hebrews 10:5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; 6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. 7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, my God.’” 8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

You think God wants future sacrifices and offerings when He made it clear that He does not desire them and is not pleased with them? Christ's sacrifice made animal sacrifices and offerings obsolete. To reinstate animal sacrifices and offerings would reverse the work that Christ accomplished already long ago. Future animal sacrifices and offerings can't possibly ever happen in light of scripture like this. Once Christ made His "once for all" sacrifice no other sacrifices were ever needed again. How can you not understand this?

When the Lord’s righteous people go to live in all of the Holy Land, soon after it is cleared and cleansed by the Lord’s Day of fiery wrath, Ezekiel 34:11-31, they will build a new Temple in Jerusalem, according to the details given in Ezekiel 40-46

Many Old Testament prophesies attest to this, how it will be built by men from far away, Zechariah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9

The New Testament too, makes it clear there will be a Temple, 2 Thess. 2:4, Rev. 11:1-2, that will exist until the end of the Millennium, when God Himself will be the Temple. Revelation 21:22

We are told that during this age of Church dispensation, Christ is our high priest and we are the spiritual Temple, 2 Cor. 6:16 and no sacrifices are required. Hosea 9:4

Hebrews 9 & 10:1-21 are the scriptures that clearly tell us that Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of our sins. Now there is no Temple and Christians are His ‘body’ on earth. This is just for the time from the early church until the new Temple is built, when there will again be offerings and thanksgiving gifts made by the Lord’s holy people. Isaiah 56:1-8, Jeremiah 33:14-15



Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 9:26-27 tells us how, in the last days, an invading leader will make a peace treaty with the holy people, but will break it and put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. Obviously there will be sacrifices and offerings taking place, for him to stop them.

This is confirmed by the prophesies detailing how it will be during the period the righteous people of God will be living the Land before the Return of Jesus:

Psalms 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.

Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple.

Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……

Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.


The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6

But we know there will be no Temple in Eternity. Revelation 21:22

Your interpretation of those OT passages contradicts NT scripture, but you clearly could not care less about that. You clearly think that you have a better understanding of the OT than the NT authors did.

 

[Keraz]

What I get here is accusations and abuse from those whose beliefs are challenged. Not scriptural rebuttal of plainly stated prophesies.
We will see how it all works out, and most will be very surprised.

Be ready for the Glory of God to come into the new Temple, Ezekiel 43:1-4 and to make sacrifices and offerings on the Altar; Ezekiel 43:18-27