What's More Important Than Escaping ETERNAL Hell Fire?

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Big Boy Johnson

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He cannot lie about something he never said.....

Well you are a member of a cult that is famous for false doctrine so nobody that actually loves the Lord would bother paying attention to you especially when you continue calling Jesus a liar claiming He did not say what He clearly said in His Word

Jesus very clearly says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment

Mark 9:43-44
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Texts like Jude 6, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, and Matthew 25:30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 show that darkness signifies a state of deprivation and distress, not of destruction in the sense of ceasing to exist. Only those who exist can weep and gnash their teeth, as those banished into the darkness are said to do. Luke 16:22–24 shows that fire signifies continued existence in pain as Revelation 14:10 with 19:20 and 20:10, and Matthew 13:42, 50, confirm this.

Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.

Those involved in following dark cults can't understand as the devil has blinded their minds and they are void of being able to understand anything from the Lord's point of view. The "lord" they follow is the devil and they too slow to know

None to worry though, cult members are going to find out first hand what Jesus meant and it ain't gonna be nuthin nice disagree.gif



An important point....what is “death” in the Bible?

Separation from God as you will find out.
 

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Well you are a member of a cult that is famous for false doctrine so nobody that actually loves the Lord would bother paying attention to you especially when you continue calling Jesus a liar claiming He did not say what He clearly said in His Word
Funny, they thought that about Jesus and his apostles....who were really in the dark though?
Can the entire collection of the disunited denominations of Christendom all be correct? By what stretch of whose imagination do they fit Paul’s description in 1 Cor 1:10...?

Unity identifies Christ’s true disciples...and they are “few” not “many”.....(Matt 7:13-14; 21-23) It is the “many” whom Christ rejects.....so don’t be so sure of your position, or underestimate that deceptive power of the one who rules “the whole world”. (1 John 5:19) How much does that leave, where he is not in control?
Jesus very clearly says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment
I wish you would do some actual research on the word “Gehenna” that is erroneously translated as “hell” because it’s not “hades”. First century Jews knew exactly what Jesus was alluding to, but Christendom has adopted so many pagan concepts and has passed them off as Christian truth, that mistranslation is responsible for the sad and sorry condition of the so-called Christian Faith.
There is no immortal soul to punish...souls die. (Ezekiel 18:4) They are not immortal, and no scripture says so.
Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Everlasting death is an “everlasting punishment”. Life is the opposite of death...who told you otherwise? Not Jesus.
2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Can you read? What does “everlasting DESTRUCTION” mean? If something is “DESTROYED” forever, does it go on existing? You really have no idea what you are reading....
Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.
And what is left after a wildfire has ravaged an area? The “smoke” remains as a reminder of what took place there, sometimes for weeks after the event.
So eternal death or “the second death” is still death.....it is not describing the living.
Only the righteous are granted everlasting life at their resurrection....so, in order to torment “souls” forever, God would have to grant them everlasting life....nowhere does it say anything like that.
Souls are not spirits.

Is God a fiendish torturer? The Catholic church thought so, as that is the god they presented to their flocks and the one who justified their torture of innocent people who exposed their heresies....burned alive as enemies of the church. But like the Pharisees, who were the real heretics? Where does Christendom get her beliefs in order to accept what Christ never taught?
Please know where your beliefs come from...
Those involved in following dark cults can't understand as the devil has blinded their minds and they are void of being able to understand anything from the Lord's point of view. The "lord" they follow is the devil and they too slow to know
There is nothing dark about my brotherhood...walking in the light gives us a freedom that Christendom will never know, as they are enslaved to doctrines and traditions that Christ never taught or authorised.
We don’t need threats of “hell” to stay within the limits of the freedom that God gave to all of us....nor do we need to celebrate pagan holidays as an excuse to eat and drink too much. (2 Cor 6:14-18)

You are part of one of the greatest conspiracies ever perpetrated on the human race, but God has given all of us the choice to believe the lie, or to accept the truth.....it is only held by a hated minority, just as it was in Jesus’ day. (John 15:18-21) History is repeating because humans are so easy to deceive....they keep falling for the same lies and repeating the same mistakes.
None to worry though, cult members are going to find out first hand what Jesus meant and it ain't gonna be nuthin nice
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That’s a wait and see, isn’t it? Don’t forget Matt 7:21-23......the ones described there didn’t think that they could be wrong either....rejection comes as a shock...eliciting vain excuses that are not acceptable.

Do some homework.....in a world ruled by the devil, nothing is as it appears.
 

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This deserves its own thread.

But the answer is two words right from Scripture; 'vain imaginations.'

The stuff the Israelites ended up doing in front of God never even crossed His mind as a possibility before hand.

Human nature is the polar opposite of God, as it takes truth and contorts it to fulfill a lust while despising the coming punishment.

Greeks had the word akrasia which meant something like 'knowing the best option but choosing an inferior option regardless.'

One who practices akrasia would rightly be called crazy, but so it is for any who know what is right but still sin anyway.
 

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Everlasting death is an “everlasting punishment”. Life is the opposite of death...who told you otherwise? Not Jesus.

If God causes people to cease to exist as the false teachers claim, then there would be no such thing as "everlasting punishment"

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

So you people continue to claim Jesus Christ is a liar and doesn't know what He's talking about calming the Lord is ignorant.


What does “everlasting DESTRUCTION” mean?

Separated from God for all eternity.

The devil lied to you saying destruction means cease to exist. It does not unless one continues claiming Jesus Christ is a liar


So eternal death or “the second death” is still death.....it is not describing the living.

”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.

They are tormented forever meaning they did not cease to exist.

Nobody expects JW cult members to understand anything anyway.


There is nothing dark about my brotherhood...

Your cult blinds the minds of it's adherents so it's not like you are aware that you have been deceived.


You are part of one of the greatest conspiracies ever perpetrated on the human race

Well when all the cult members get to their eternal destination they'll find out first hand that those who are sent to hell never cease to exist as Jesus taught



Do some homework.....in a world ruled by the devil, nothing is as it appears.

Especially the doctrine your cult peddles as being "true" funny.gif
 

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Especially the doctrine your cult peddles as being "true"
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What doctrines are your cult peddling? You assume that they are “true”....but I don’t think you have any idea....
Where do your beliefs come from?....I assure you they are not from the Bible....
 
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What's More Important Than Escaping ETERNAL Hell Fire?​

If you knew what, 'ETERNAL Hell Fire' was, then you would at least be in a position to escape it.
 

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What's More Important Than Escaping ETERNAL Hell Fire?​

If you knew what, 'ETERNAL Hell Fire' was, then you would at least be in a position to escape it.

Please consider the phrase "weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Have you ever been in pain?

I've been through a lot.

For me, weeping and teeth gnashing came from angst, remorse, guilt, contrition, and generally things of deep sadness.

Everlasting torment wouldn't be weeping and gnashing of teeth; it would be shrieking and horrifying screams.

What you preach is demented, perverse, and evil.
 
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Please consider the phrase "weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Have you ever been in pain?

I've been through a lot.

For me, weeping and teeth gnashing came from angst, remorse, guilt, contrition, and generally things of deep sadness.

Everlasting torment wouldn't be weeping and gnashing of teeth; it would be shrieking and horrifying screams.

What you preach is demented, perverse, and evil.
Our choices are made. We either have Good News to share to a hurting World or we advise them with threats of the worst kind under the delusion of 'pulling them out of the fire'
How is anyone ever pulled out of the fire by threats.
 

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Everlasting torment wouldn't be weeping and gnashing of teeth; it would be shrieking and horrifying screams.
...and the rest of the Universe is meant to be praising God while this is going on for eternity? Only delusion would subscribe to that.
 

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Our choices are made. We either have Good News to share to a hurting World or we advise them with threats of the worst kind under the delusion of 'pulling them out of the fire'
How is anyone ever pulled out of the fire by threats.

...and the rest of the Universe is meant to be praising God while this is going on for eternity? Only delusion would subscribe to that.

I misunderstood again.

From your statement I was under the impression you would apply the threat of hell.

Forgive me.
 

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Not because of God, but because of Death.

And death is being separated from God, not ceasing to exist.


Everlasting torment wouldn't be weeping and gnashing of teeth; it would be shrieking and horrifying screams.

What you preach is demented, perverse, and evil.

Everlasting torment is shrieking and horrifying screams along with angst, remorse, guilt, contrition, and generally things of deep sadness.

satan and his demons teach annihilationism.

Jesus teaches eternal torment for satan, his demons, and all those who reject the Lord who get the same reward as satan and his demons which is being separated from the Lord in hell for all of eternity

Those teaching annihilationism are servants of satan as they will find out when they dies someday and go south


How is anyone ever pulled out of the fire by threats.

That's part of the Gospel message.

Get born again and live for Jesus or reject Him and be tormented in hell for all eternity


I misunderstood again.

Yes, those teaching annihilationism have had their understanding blinded by their father the devil.

Which explains why they are teaching the devil's doctrine instead of the Doctrine of Christ.
 

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Well if that';s what you think then you are welcome to reject the Lord and spend eternity burning in hell.

They Lord will get by just fine without you.
But I don't reject the Lord.
I do, however, reject your man-made doctrine that proclaims our Lord and Saviour to be the world's worst sinner.


And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. (1 John 4:14)

Second witness:

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, SPECIALLY of those that believe.
These things COMMAND and TEACH.
(1 Tim 4:10-11)

I believe and teach that.
Do you?

No, you reject it, and by doing so you reject Christ.

So declare, once again, that Christ is not the Saviour of all men.
 

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I do, however, reject your man-made doctrine that proclaims our Lord and Saviour to be the world's worst sinner.

I never made any such claim and you know you are lying.

You daddy the devil doesn't even claim Jesus was the world's worst sinner clueless-doh.gif



So declare, once again, that Christ is not the Saviour of all men.

Universalism is false doctrine and is of the devil.

Teaching such lands one in hell as you'll be finding out unless you REPENT of your heresies and start agreeing with the whole counsel of God.
 

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I never made any such claim and you know you are lying.
I didn't say you made that claim.
Re-read it slowly, maybe then, you'll comprehend it.

Universalism is false doctrine and is of the devil.

Teaching such lands one in hell as you'll be finding out unless you REPENT of your heresies and start agreeing with the whole counsel of God.
Third witness:

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. (John 12:47)