When did Daniel 7:13-14 happen?

[Earburner]

Satan speaks of Scripture in parallel, he has nothing to do with true Christians, true disciples of JESUS, true believers. He uses the Scriptures trying to stumble those who believe in JESUS according Scriptures; Satan tried to do so even with JESUS-Matthew 4:v.6. Check it.

The expression "remission" is understood, for example, as paying off a debt. JESUS has done this for his disciples these past two thousand years. He paid the price of those that the Holy Father gives to Him, that they may be one, as JESUS and the Father are One, He redeemed them.
In the Word of GOD, remission also means forgiveness, among other meanings specifically linked to the work of God for salvation, and linked to the Word of God.

The expression "removal" quoted as in parallel concerning to the verse you copied from the Scriptures, it is of inspiration other than the Holy Spirit, it is a falsification of Scripture, just the way the Devil likes it.

I think that the word "removal" is synonymous with sins being "blotted out".

Acts 3[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

"Blot"
Strong's G1813
ἐξαλείφω
to smear out, i.e. obliterate (erase tears, figuratively, pardon sin)
Derivation: from G1537 and G218;

KJV Usage: blot out, wipe away.

 

[Earburner]

You might want to study the following scripture also:
Hebrews 9[24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
[25] Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away* sin by the sacrifice of himself.
*Strongs- G115- cancellation

 

[Earburner]

^ which is a prophetic fufillment of one of the six works of God-
KJV- Daniel 9[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and 6. to anoint the most Holy.

 

[Oseas]

OSeas replied:
What JESUS was prophesying had nothing to do with past events, but future event, and this event of AoD is at door and will happen in the years ahead. But you as a believer in apocrypha satanic lies , you are sleeping like the foolish virgins
Earburner's reply:
Jesus spoke of the "abomination of desolation", thus pointing back into Jewish history of that actual event.

Your message above is FAKE, a false testimony of JESUS; JESUS only spake what He received from His father; He never used any kind of history written in the book of Devil. Testimony about JESUS, made according what you have said is a blasphemy, and pleases Satan.

It was prophesied of in Daniel, concerning the 1290 days, culminating 45 days later, to the 1335 days. KJV- Daniel 12:11-13

OK. I assume that the Devil knows Scriptures too.

Please reference the "daily sacrifice taken away" in KJV- Daniel 9:27, as the "cause" of it being Jesus' Sacrifice, ...

...
No, I cant, it's FAKE. I don't use a false point and a satanic reference, much less take a demonic cause as whether was being a holy cause linked to JESUS, as you do.
Daniel 9:v.27 doesn't refers to the sacrifice of JESUS in around/between 29-33AD. What you say is FAKE.

... and the six works of God that He performed and completed-FAKE-, as shown in KJV- Daniel 9:24.

You've only heard of the person of JESUS, but you don't know Him, of course. In addition six works, there are also many other things that Jesus did, which, if each were written, I suppose that not even the world itself could contain the books that should be written.

The historical record of the "abomination of desolation" (AoD), as having already been fulfilled, is found in the book of 1 Maccabees 1[54]

Satan through you wants to speak about the Word of GOD, but using his devilish book, the book of the father of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Jewish people. John 8:v.44

Now the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred forty and fifth year, they set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar, and builded idol altars throughout the cities of Juda on every side;
In the book of 1 Maccabees, the years of time, the events and the people involved, are accurately recorded. One can actually follow the length of time, the number of days (or years) as prophesied for those events in KJV Daniel 12:11-13.

According Satan, you are only making a devilish descriptian of a trivial work of the Devil, now called red Dragon, besides old Serpent, and surreptitiously try to link the above SATANIC description to the Word of GOD. You are a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit.

Beware !
If you use any other bible, except the KJV, you will end up in church-ianity's fantasy land, in total confusion.

Certainly most biblical versions are much truer than the book of the Devil you use to interpret the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD. You are a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit.

The AoD is A PAST EVENT, and today is celebrated by the Jews as Hanukka.

No surprise, no marvel; the esoteric, and kabalistic, and spiritist Jewish people celebrate that PAST EVENT honoring their father, and promoter of feasts sacrificed mainly to idols. You are familiar with the feasts of him.

Now, why Jesus pointed to that past event of the AoD in the year of 145 BC, is something all together different, than how church-anity is explaining it.

No, JESUS did not point any AoD from 145 years before Him, it is Satan who points it and reports his trash here.

Here is the clue about that past event of the actual AoD committed by Antiochus Epiphanes:
Jesus used it it to point to Himself, to show that the "Temple of His body" was going to be desolated, but then cleansed and restored through His Resurrection. KJV- John 2:21

No, JESUS did not used that UNCLEAN point to Himself as the mouth of the Dragon says-Revelation 16:v.13-15-, no, absolutely. The Temple of His body is His Church which Satan intends to destroy even now, AFTER TWO DAYS, after two millenniums, establishing the Abomination of Desolation very soon, even now, in days to come.

Yes! Restored! In type and antitype to what Judas Maccabeus did for the Jewish sanctuary by cleansing and restoring it in 148 BC (1 Maccabees 4:36). That is what Jesus was pointing to and for. It was about the Temple of His body that was going to be desolated, but then restored.

Please dispose of your trash somewhere else that belongs to the Devil, not here

In time:
The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD (Devil's world) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:v.15

 

[Oseas]

^ I repeat-
Earburner said:
Matthew 24[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
See also Mark 13:14.
Can you hazard a guess Who Jesus was pointing to, of which "ye" (they) were going to "see", that was going to be the abomination of destruction, in the eyes of Someone of Great importance?

JESUS never used, nor was pointing any thing, written in the Devil's book, which is used by you as source to mix satanic contents with the prophecies of Daniel revealed by the most High GOD through His angel.

>Those "eyes" were of God the Father!
The Eternal Son of the Father was tormented and crucified in His Sight, because it was He who WAS IN His Son!

JESUS is the true GOD, He was tempted by the Devil, as also the readers here can be tempted by your devilish messages, JESUS never was tormented, neither could He be.

Who really is TORMENTED and will be even more TORMENTED yet, it is you by the spirit of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist content of the satanic book of the Jews, that is your source to spread and sow the tares of the Devil.

 

[Oseas]

It is the ultimate "abomination" to any father, that an innocent son should be put to death in THEIR SIGHT!

Satan likes of that.

 

[Oseas]

^ correction:
Not an innocent son, but rather THEIR innocent son.

Anyway, Satan likes of that.

 

[Oseas]

^ which is a prophetic fufillment of one of the six works of God-
KJV- Daniel 9[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and 6. to anoint the most Holy.

DANIEL 9:v.24-25
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

In what year was the command given to restore and build Jerusalem?

 

[Oseas]

Most all Christians are misunderstanding the meaning of the binding of satan, or how and when he WAS BOUND.
Satan was bound at the Cross of Jesus, ...

FAKE, FAKE, FAKE.

Revelation of JESUS 1:v1 -
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which GOD gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John:


Revelation 20:v.1-3

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the Dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more,...

 

[Oseas]

I think that the word "removal" is synonymous with sins being "blotted out".

Acts 3[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

"Blot"
Strong's G1813
ἐξαλείφω
to smear out, i.e. obliterate (erase tears, figuratively, pardon sin)
Derivation: from G1537 and G218;

KJV Usage: blot out, wipe away.

You had said in prior post> Without the shedding of [Christ's] blood [first], there is no remission [removal] of sin. KJV- Hebrews 9:22
Removal has nothing to do with REMISSION.

Why are you now being evasive? Why to use of cunning? Why don't you prove what you want to mean through a dictionary?

 

[Earburner]

Earburner said:
Please reference the "daily sacrifice taken away" in KJV- Daniel 9:27, as the "cause" of it being Jesus' Sacrifice, ...

Oseas replied:
No, I cant, it's FAKE. I don't use a false point and a satanic reference, much less take a demonic cause as whether was being a holy cause linked to JESUS, as you do.
Daniel 9:v.27 doesn't refers to the sacrifice of JESUS in around/between 29-33AD. What you say is FAKE

Earburner's reply:
Mat. 27[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

In the following, I quote the factual, scriptural and truthful answer:
"So, what do we make of this? What significance does this torn veil have for us today? Above all, the tearing of the veil at the moment of Jesus’ death dramatically symbolized that His sacrifice, the shedding of His own blood, was a sufficient atonement for sins. It signified that now the way into the Holy of Holies was open for all people, for all time, both Jew and Gentile.
When Jesus died, the veil was torn, and God moved out of that place never again to dwell in a temple made with human hands (Acts 17:24). God was through with that temple and its religious system, and the temple and Jerusalem were left “desolate” (destroyed by the Romans) in A.D. 70, just as Jesus prophesied in Luke 13:35. As long as the temple stood, it signified the continuation of the Old Covenant. Hebrews 9:8-9 refers to the age that was passing away as the new covenant was being established (Hebrews 8:13).
What was the significance of the temple veil being torn in two when Jesus died? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Most all Christians are misunderstanding the meaning of the binding of satan, or how and when he WAS BOUND.
Satan was bound at the Cross of Jesus, according to God's understanding, that he would be kept at bay from the invisible church of His Born Again saints, while the Age of God's Grace was operative through His Holy Spirit, with his empowerment through us to carry out "the Great Commission". Once that has been completed, whereby "the gospel of the KoG has been preached in all the world, then shall the end come". You should be able to perceive that we are very close to that now.

Well as Jesus did not say that is how Satan has been bound- where did you get your info? Paul in ephesians 6 was writing to believers and Peter was writing to believers when He warned us to be aware of the wiles of the devil. Paul even wrote how Satan had hindered them in the gospel out reach.
Actually the missiongroups that track the spread of the gospel report there are over 2,000,000,000 unreached people and 200 people groups who have never heard the gospel. That is not very close.

However I will answer.
Since a BA Christian HAS the Spirit God/Christ permanently dwelling within them, are you saying that satan is a " stronger than God the Father and Jesus that dwell within us?

No but He is smarter than us and can decieve a believer if we are not careful. that is what Eph.6 is about.

At the end of this Age of God's Grace, the clear sign that satan is loosed, is when the decree comes forth that Christians "should be killed" for not taking the MoB. There will be nothing religious about it. We will simply not be able to monetarily participate in their new economic system, and that we won't be "a good fit" for their NWO society.

and yet there is not one passage that say sSatan was bound for 2 millenia and then loosed. I do see a passage that shows Satan bound for1000 years and abyssed, but not one to support your hypothesis.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You answered what I wrote to "Oseas".
Between you and him, I have been discussing two different topics:
Yours- about the KJV translator's error.
Oseas'- about the past "abomination of desolation" .

Well as for the AOD, there has been many abominable things that have happened, but there has nothing historically yet that fulfills whom Jesus called teh AOD in Matt. 24 ergo it is still future.

 

[Earburner]

Well as for the AOD, there has been many abominable things that have happened, but there has nothing historically yet that fulfills whom Jesus called teh AOD in Matt. 24 ergo it is still future.

And of course, you are only seeing the AoD from man's religious perspective, and NOT from God the Father's perspective. Isaiah 55:8-9

 

[Earburner]

Well as Jesus did not say that is how Satan has been bound- where did you get your info? Paul in ephesians 6 was writing to believers and Peter was writing to believers when He warned us to be aware of the wiles of the devil. Paul even wrote how Satan had hindered them in the gospel out reach.
Actually the missiongroups that track the spread of the gospel report there are over 2,000,000,000 unreached people and 200 people groups who have never heard the gospel. That is not very close.



No but He is smarter than us and can decieve a believer if we are not careful. that is what Eph.6 is about.



and yet there is not one passage that say sSatan was bound for 2 millenia and then loosed. I do see a passage that shows Satan bound for1000 years and abyssed, but not one to support your hypothesis.

Satan is now and has been, ever since the the death and resurrection of Christ, been bound from entering INTO BA Christians and possessing them, as he does so freely and often with the TARES.
You lack spiritual understanding of who the 'strong man" is and how he operates on our level, to take possession of people.
Matthew 12:29
Mark 3:27
Luke 11:21

But then there is 2 Peter 3:7-10, which explains what a thousand years is to God, and what that undisclosed long time is for:
[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
When one studies verse 8 through the Holy Spirit, they will understand that God's concept of time is not relative to our human understanding. God's Age of His Grace shall continue, as long as He shall continue to find faith in people to believe that He is.
Luke 18:8
Hebrews 11:6

1. That which is First is come:
Through Christ, God's promise of salvation is made available to all, which was first to come, and is still ongoing:
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering [as in Noah's day] to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2. Then next to come (as in Noah's day):
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

> Don't be fooled, or fool yourself (being ignorant). There is NO Jewish fabrication of a Millennium to come, of God's kingdom on earth, after our resurrection into the likeness of Christ's immortality.

 

[Earburner]

^ In 2 Peter 3:8- KJV pay attention to the word "as", meaning equal to, like unto, being equivalent to, in both directions.
Why is it that His thoughts say "a thousand years AS one day, and one day AS a thousand years"?
Why did He say it that way?? Think!!
All it means is that His Grace period is for as LONG AS He shall find faith on the earth.
Again- see Luke 18:8

 

[Earburner]

DANIEL 9:v.24-25
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

In what year was the command given to restore and build Jerusalem?

It doesn't matter WHAT year!
That methodology of mathematics is for the heady and the high minded self righteous, to keep them busy with their eyes that they can't see with, and/or theirs ears that they can't hear with.
And of course church-ianity's answer is: the 70th week is missing(?), so therefore God separated it, and attached it to the end time(?) Really?? Excuse me for laughing at such slop and corruption!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And of course, you are only seeing the AoD from man's religious perspective, and NOT from God the Father's perspective. Isaiah 55:8-9

Well I didn't know you had exclusive rights to Gods perspective. where did you get this lofty perspective? Certainly not from your handling of Scripture!

I defend my position based on the Grammar God created for us to use to communicate clearly and the grammar God INspired i His Word to communicate to us.

All you have done is use whacky concepts that some of them have half-truths. Example, a definite article allows the siungular to be considered plural- that is sheer foolishness.

Satan is now and has been, ever since the the death and resurrection of Christ, been bound from entering INTO BA Christians and possessing them, as he does so freely and often with the TARES.
You lack spiritual understanding of who the 'strong man" is and how he operates on our level, to take possession of people.

Well I know wh0o the strong man is and have for over 45 yeaqrs. so your straw man ad-hominem becomes juvenile.

But then there is 2 Peter 3:7-10, which explains what a thousand years is to God, and what that undisclosed long time is for:
[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
When one studies verse 8 through the Holy Spirit, they will understand that God's concept of time is not relative to our human understanding. God's Age of His Grace shall continue, as long as He shall continue to find faith in people to believe that He is.

It is sad an adult as your self is so bereft of understanding a metaphor uses in the bible. then your spiritual arrogance that you have become a master of Bible study for you study under the Holy Spirit. If you were you would simply see that this is a comparison to show that god is patient---Period! That little word "as" is God simply making a metaphorical comparison. that is all.

2. Then next to come (as in Noah's day):
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

> Don't be fooled, or fool yourself (being ignorant). There is NO Jewish fabrication of a Millennium to come, of God's kingdom on earth, after our resurrection into the likeness of Christ's immortality.

Well as you don't know what teh Day of the Lord means, I am not surprised you don't know what this verse is describing!

Jesus returns to earth in REv. 19.
Fights the antichrist and the worlds armies as described earlier.
Savs the jews in Petra.

Puts the antichrist and false prophet in the lake of fire,
returns to jerusalem and ascends the mount of Olives.
Then gathers the elect from the four corners of teh earth.
Judges the nations.
Separates the sheep from the goats
Goats go to the place of torments
Sheep enter into Jesus 1,000 year kingdom.
Repopulate the earth.
Dozens of OT prophecies describe life on this restored earth.
After teh 1,000 years Satan is loosed to deceive the nations.
God the Father sends fire from heaven to destroy the armies marching on Jerusalem.
Great White throne judgment happens. Death is destrpyed.
Jesus turns the kingdom back to His Father
assumes His place at teh right hand of god.

 

[Earburner]

Well as for the AOD, there has been many abominable things that have happened, but there has nothing historically yet that fulfills whom Jesus called teh AOD in Matt. 24 ergo it is still future.

The AoD prophesied in Daniel, WAS FULFILLED by Antiochus Epiphanes of the Seleucid (Grecian) Empire in 168 BC, aka "in the latter time of their kingdom" of the 3rd Beast.
I provided to you the facts and the scriptures to support it. Please study it.

When Jesus spoke of that event of the AoD, he spoke of it as being PAST. He knew it was FULLILLED, and used it in "type" and anti-type" to POINT to Himself.
Prophecy that is fulfilled, cannot be fulfilled again!!
However, it can be used as type/anti-type to illustrate an event that will be in kind!
The Temple of Jesus' mortal body was about to be destroyed and then restored!!
John 2[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.

 

[Timtofly]

Adam was created without sin and without eternal life, having no eternal existence of any kind.
If you think otherwise, then you are swallowing "church-ianty's" slop that he was given an eternal soul. If you do, then do you think the same is true for animals?
Compare KJV- Genesis 2:7 and Genesis 7:22

The image of God has a shelf life of 30 years? Then it expires?