When did Daniel 7:13-14 happen?

[Earburner]

Earburner said;
It's impossible to have Lazarus resurrected into NEW Life before Jesus Himself.
Timtofly replied:
With God all things are possible. It's your theology that is impossible.

> Without the shedding of [Christ's] blood [first], there is no remission [removal] of sin. KJV- Hebrews 9:22
Think on this:
KJV- Col. 1 [18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

 

[Earburner]

With God all things are possible. It's your theology that is impossible.

If you don't get your theology straightened out, right out of the gate, you NEVER will correctly understand all of New Testament scripture.

 

[Earburner]

Who claimed John was conceived by the Holy Spirit?

I said the Holy Spirit starts working in a human at conception. Obviously more so in John the Baptist than most of humanity.

Starts working at conception?
Most of humanity?

Hopefully, you are understanding that no one was/is "given" the Holy Spirit during the delivery to birth, except John the Baptist. And as you know, only Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
That is why their witness to the world at that time was so powerful.

 

[Earburner]

Explain why Jesus used it, not how it was part of Jewish culture. It was never labeled a Parable either. Can you show evidence of your point in the original text?

Collegiate Definition

• : a usually short fictitious story that
• illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

The same as the use of the word Paradise used by Jesus on the Cross.

Jesus was about to enter His own mortal death of his flesh, but knew that because of His Holy Eternal Spirit within Him, that He of Himself wouldn't die spritually, and therefore would become the firstborn of the dead. Because of the repentant thief's simple faith in Christ, and his audible confession of the same by his mouth, after death, he would be one of the recipients of the "white robe" (Holy Spirit) as all those who had died in faith before him, whose names were written in the "book of remembrance" (Malachi 3:16), and are shown to be those souls "under the altar" in Revelation 6:9-11. They all, including the thief on the cross, ARE NOW asleep IN Jesus, who is Himself the place of paradise, which prior to Jesus' Resurrection and Ascension, never existed before.

 

[Earburner]

Earburner said:
Matthew 24[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
See also Mark 13:14.
Can you hazard a guess Who Jesus was pointing to, of which "ye" (they) were going to "see", that was going to be the abomination of destruction, in the eyes of Someone of Great importance?

OSeas replied:
What JESUS was prophesying had nothing to do with past events, but future event, and this event of AoD is at door and will happen in the years ahead. But you as a believer in apocrypha satanic lies , you are sleeping like the foolish virgins

Earburner's reply:
Jesus spoke of the "abomination of desolation", thus pointing back into Jewish history of that actual event.
It was prophesied of in Daniel, concerning the 1290 days, culminating 45 days later, to the 1335 days. KJV- Daniel 12:11-13
Please reference the "daily sacrifice taken away" in KJV- Daniel 9:27, as the "cause" of it being Jesus' Sacrifice, and the six works of God that He performed and completed, as shown in KJV- Daniel 9:24.
The historical record of the "abomination of desolation" (AoD), as having already been fulfilled, is found in the book of 1 Maccabees 1[54] Now the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred forty and fifth year, they set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar, and builded idol altars throughout the cities of Juda on every side;
In the book of 1 Maccabees, the years of time, the events and the people involved, are accurately recorded. One can actually follow the length of time, the number of days (or years) as prophesied for those events in KJV Daniel 12:11-13.
Beware!! If you use any other bible, except the KJV, you will end up in church-ianity's fantasy land, in total confusion.

The AoD is A PAST EVENT, and today is celebrated by the Jews as Hanukka.

Now, why Jesus pointed to that past event of the AoD in the year of 145 BC, is something all together different, than how church-anity is explaining it.
Here is the clue about that past event of the actual AoD committed by Antiochus Epiphanes:
Jesus used it it to point to Himself, to show that the "Temple of His body" was going to be desolated, but then cleansed and restored through His Resurrection. KJV- John 2:21
Yes! Restored! In type and antitype to what Judas Maccabeus did for the Jewish sanctuary by cleansing and restoring it in 148 BC (1 Maccabees 4:36). That is what Jesus was pointing to and for. It was about the Temple of His body that was going to be desolated, but then restored.

 

[Earburner]

^ I repeat-
Earburner said:
Matthew 24[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
See also Mark 13:14.
Can you hazard a guess Who Jesus was pointing to, of which "ye" (they) were going to "see", that was going to be the abomination of destruction, in the eyes of Someone of Great importance?

>Those "eyes" were of God the Father!
The Eternal Son of the Father was tormented and crucified in His Sight, because it was He who WAS IN His Son!

 

[Earburner]

It is the ultimate "abomination" to any father, that an innocent son should be put to death in THEIR SIGHT!

 

[Earburner]

^ correction:
Not an innocent son, but rather THEIR innocent son.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So then, in order for "church-ianity's" fictitious, fantasy to come about, satan must steal/possess someone else's body.
But then again, he and his evil horde of fallen angels, aka "Legion", have been doing that for years. Thats why there are many antichrists.

Well if you believe the antiochrist is a person possessed by Satan, I would agree. but teh antichrist is Satans physical son so He is not possessed by his father.

In case you forgot, all Born Again Christians are the body of Christ.

Yes we are, but we are not jesus but His body, indwelt by the Holy spirit.

As long as the Age of God's Grace is operative in the world (the great commission), satan is "bound"

You should have informed the Apostle Paul and Peter!

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:


17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

gods Word says Satan is not bound but roams about seeking who he can devour

From entering into those who are Born Again (regenerated) of His Holy Spirit, aka "the wheat".
KJV- 1 John 5[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten [regenerated] of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

However, for all those who are professing religious christians, and are in name only, aka "the tares", satan comes and goes with them at his will.

All true but irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Textus Receptus Greek (TRG) says
"the wicked" (vs 8). In verse 3, it also says:
"the man of sin", "the son of perdition". In both verses, it allows it to be read in the plural, in which the context following, is all in the plural.
But, if the TRG were to read as "that", then it would most assuredly be understood in the singular. BUT....it doesn't!
If you can't accept this factual truth, then it's not me who has the problem!

YOu need to look at the grammar- it is singular which means it cannot be read as plural! That is 2nd grade grammar!

Verse 9 the noun and pronoun are singular!

Verse 10 them is plural because it is no longer referring to the man of sin (singular).

The TRG just has the definite article "ho" (o') which is translated in the various ways I posted to you already based on context.

The fact is your factual truth is incorrect. If this was to be plural then it would have been the sons of perdition and the men of sin. Sorry but you do not get to rewrite rules of grammar at your pleasure. Go ask anyone with grammatic education. Teh definite article never allows a singular noun to be read as a plural!

In case you forgot, all Born Again Christians are the body of Christ.

Yes we make up one corporate body- not bodies, and that one body (singular) is made up of many parts just like you rone body has many parts.

 

[Earburner]

Yes we are, but we are not jesus but His body, indwelt by the Holy spirit.

Amen! Praise God!
Now, just as every BA Christian is now "quickened", "regenerated", "made alive to GOD", so also for those who are still IN their flesh, as "the natural man", they are without God, and ARE the children of satan, aka the Tares.
Romans 8:8-9 says that they are "none of Christ's". If then they don't belong to Christ, who then do they belong to?
Ans. Satan.
They, altogether are "the son of perdition" (destruction), "the NATURAL man".
How many natural manS are there?
Ans. Just as many who are "the manS of sin".

Though the translators of the KJV mis-stepped with the changing of the word from "the" to "that", the Textus Receptus Greek Text DID NOT!

 

[Earburner]

^ So what I am saying is, in the TRG text there is no deviation to purposely reveal anyone in the singular, and therefore correctly leads the reader in the plural, as the context follows suit and does dictate.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Amen! Praise God!
Now, just as every BA Christian is now "quickened", "regenerated", "made alive to GOD", so also for those who are still IN their flesh, as "the natural man", they are without God, and ARE the children of satan, aka the Tares.
Romans 8:8-9 says that they are "none of Christ's". If then they don't belong to Christ, who then do they belong to?
Ans. Satan.
They, altogether are "the son of perdition" (destruction), "the NATURAL man".
How many natural manS are there?
Ans. Just as many who are "the manS of sin".

Though the translators of the KJV mis-stepped with the changing of the word from "the" to "that", the Textus Receptus Greek Text DID NOT!

Once again I agree with all but your last line.

That is a perfectly acceptable and used tranlsation for the definite article "o'". And because wicked is nominative masculine singular it refers ot a single individual and thword "that" is fully appropriate, and the word one though not in the original manuscripts, is a completely acceptable addition based on teh construct of the noun. It provides further clarification in English that would not be in a transliteration of the passage.

 

[Earburner]

The TRG just has the definite article "ho" (o') which is translated in the various ways I posted to you already based on context.

And the context in the TRG is PLURAL.
Therefore, using the word "the" within the plurality of the context, is correct, thus allowing the reader to understand it to be plural.
You can argue this forever, but the truth be known, there is NO singular, one man band, religious miracle man to come, that "church-ianity" calls "THE Antichrist".

Satan, in all his subtility, is not going to forewarn the world to look for him. Its a spiritual distraction, a "false flag" to keep you busy looking for him, just to get your eyes and your mind off of Christ and His sudden and Glorious return in flaming fire.
There is going to be a lot of complainers, when Jesus suddenly returns, saying: "what happened to the Antichrist? Why didn't he show up".
Ans. He never was suppose to!

 

[Earburner]

Correction: is not going to forewarn should be

 

[Earburner]

^ is going to warn the world of his coming, and NOT show, because he is doing something else instead!

 

[Earburner]

Ronald said:
All true but irrelevant to the conversation

Earburner's reply:
You answered what I wrote to "Oseas".
Between you and him, I have been discussing two different topics:
Yours- about the KJV translator's error.
Oseas'- about the past "abomination of desolation" .

 

[Earburner]

You should have informed the Apostle Paul and Peter!

gods Word says Satan is not bound but roams about seeking who he can devour

Ron, you replied to another one of my posts to "Oseas".
However I will answer.
Since a BA Christian HAS the Spirit God/Christ permanently dwelling within them, are you saying that satan is a " stronger than God the Father and Jesus that dwell within us?

Most all Christians are misunderstanding the meaning of the binding of satan, or how and when he WAS BOUND.
Satan was bound at the Cross of Jesus, according to God's understanding, that he would be kept at bay from the invisible church of His Born Again saints, while the Age of God's Grace was operative through His Holy Spirit, with his empowerment through us to carry out "the Great Commission". Once that has been completed, whereby "the gospel of the KoG has been preached in all the world, then shall the end come". You should be able to perceive that we are very close to that now.

At the end of this Age of God's Grace, the clear sign that satan is loosed, is when the decree comes forth that Christians "should be killed" for not taking the MoB. There will be nothing religious about it. We will simply not be able to monetarily participate in their new economic system, and that we won't be "a good fit" for their NWO society.
The irony of that is seen, when God had set a mark on Cain, so that he would NOT be killed. Therefore, satan, through "the Image of the 10H Beast", will manifest the "MoB" to be for everyone who is NOT a BA Christian, so that those who are not a Christian, they will be spared from being killed!
In that very situation of it's enactment, the Lord Jesus shall return from Heaven in flaming fire, to redeem His Saints and destroy all who are "none of his". Both events happening in "the SAME day".

 

[Earburner]

Do you see how that even the mark on Cain is prophetic. It really is, by the Image of the Beast, a declaration meant to be understood as something that will keep a person "safe" from being killed.

 

[Oseas]

Earburner said;
It's impossible to have Lazarus resurrected into NEW Life before Jesus Himself.
Timtofly replied:
With God all things are possible. It's your theology that is impossible.

> Without the shedding of [Christ's] blood [first], there is no remission [removal] of sin. KJV- Hebrews 9:22
Think on this:
KJV- Col. 1 [18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Satan speaks of Scripture in parallel, he has nothing to do with true Christians, true disciples of JESUS, true believers. He uses the Scriptures trying to stumble those who believe in JESUS according Scriptures; Satan tried to do so even with JESUS-Matthew 4:v.6. Check it.

The expression "remission" is understood, for example, as paying off a debt. JESUS has done this for his disciples these past two thousand years. He paid the price of those that the Holy Father gives to Him, that they may be one, as JESUS and the Father are One, He redeemed them.
In the Word of GOD, remission also means forgiveness, among other meanings specifically linked to the work of God for salvation, and linked to the Word of God.

The expression "removal" quoted as in parallel concerning to the verse you copied from the Scriptures, it is of inspiration other than the Holy Spirit, it is a falsification of Scripture, just the way the Devil likes it.