When did Daniel 7:13-14 happen?

[Timtofly]

Starts working at conception?
Most of humanity?

Hopefully, you are understanding that no one was/is "given" the Holy Spirit during the delivery to birth, except John the Baptist. And as you know, only Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
That is why their witness to the world at that time was so powerful.

Once again, who said "given"?

 

[Earburner]

The image of God has a shelf life of 30 years? Then it expires?

Who knows what you are talking about!
Compare Genesis 2:7 with Genesis 2:7 and figure it out! Its not that complicated.
In regards to Adam who became a living soul, as opposed to the false belief of him getting a "thing" called a soul that is eternal, that is just more religious slop regurgitated by church-ianity.
Its no wonder to me, that most professing Christians are following after fantasy in the book of Revelation.

 

[Earburner]

^ Correction: compare Genesis 2:7 with Genesis 7:22

 

[Earburner]

It is sad an adult as your self is so bereft of understanding a metaphor uses in the bible. then your spiritual arrogance that you have become a master of Bible study for you study under the Holy Spirit. If you were you would simply see that this is a comparison to show that god is patient---Period! That little word "as" is God simply making a metaphorical comparison. that is all.

Yes! A thousand years is just that, BUT IT IS BEING APPLIED to NOW, today, ever since Pentecost.
We ARE IN the metaphor of His
"a thousand years", and not in some distant far off future, after our resurrection into His immortality, reigning and ruling over flesh and blood people who die, and can never be saved anyways. That whole concept is of Jewish origin, and it is corrupt to the core.

 

[Earburner]

You had said in prior post> Without the shedding of [Christ's] blood [first], there is no remission [removal] of sin. KJV- Hebrews 9:22
Removal has nothing to do with REMISSION.

Why are you now being evasive? Why to use of cunning? Why don't you prove what you want to mean through a dictionary?

Our sins are MORE than just forgiven, they are wiped away!
Just because you can quote the word of God, spouting the words of God, in an attempt to use them as a smearing campaign against my use of His words through His Holy Spirit, informs me that you oppose yourself most of the time, just so that you can fit in with the majority of church-ianity.
Yes! You most definitely have self appointed and positioned yourself to be a defender of the faith, but it is that faith which is of the religious tares.

 

[Earburner]

To all who don't understand the context of John 1:19-21. Jesus WAS talking about the Temple of His mortal body.
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple [His mortal body], and in three days I will raise it [this temple] up [into New Life].
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But, he spoke of the temple of his body.
Jesus was most definitely NOT talking about the church!

 

[Earburner]

Well I didn't know you had exclusive rights to Gods perspective. where did you get this lofty perspective? Certainly not from your handling of Scripture!

I receive HIS perspective from Him, by the words of scripture, through His Holy Spirit of truth, who is both God the Father and God the Son. John 14:23,26.
John 16[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Support scriptures:
Isaiah 55:8-9
Zechariah 4:6
Proverbs 3:5

 

[Earburner]

^ KJV, of course

 

[Waiting on him]

And the context in the TRG is PLURAL.
Therefore, using the word "the" within the plurality of the context, is correct, thus allowing the reader to understand it to be plural.
You can argue this forever, but the truth be known, there is NO singular, one man band, religious miracle man to come, that "church-ianity" calls "THE Antichrist".

Satan, in all his subtility, is not going to forewarn the world to look for him. Its a spiritual distraction, a "false flag" to keep you busy looking for him, just to get your eyes and your mind off of Christ and His sudden and Glorious return in flaming fire.
There is going to be a lot of complainers, when Jesus suddenly returns, saying: "what happened to the Antichrist? Why didn't he show up".
Ans. He never was suppose to!

Once they’ve heard it from God that they were that man of sin exalting themselves in His temple they’ll understand, and only then.

the heart of man is the throne of David, only Christ should be seated there.

 

[Waiting on him]

You might want to study the following scripture also:
Hebrews 9[24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
[25] Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away* sin by the sacrifice of himself.
*Strongs- G115- cancellation

Hebrews 10:20 KJV
[20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

 

[Timtofly]

Who knows what you are talking about!
Compare Genesis 2:7 with Genesis 2:7 and figure it out! Its not that complicated.
In regards to Adam who became a living soul, as opposed to the false belief of him getting a "thing" called a soul that is eternal, that is just more religious slop regurgitated by church-ianity.
Its no wonder to me, that most professing Christians are following after fantasy in the book of Revelation.

Adam would have lived forever, until the day he ate. Then when he disobeyed God, he would die. Evidently you think disobedience does not matter.

 

[Earburner]

Adam would have lived forever, until the day he ate. Then when he disobeyed God, he would die. Evidently you think disobedience does not matter.

I never said that! I agree with you to a point. Adam was created as flesh and blood, just like all the air breathing animals, except for one thing, he was created in the image of God- "a likeness of resemblance"-Genesis 1:27.
That resemblance to God, was in man's God given ability to have freedom of conscious thoughts, and to exercise free will in the decision making process of the freedom of those thoughts, and to bear the consequences and or rewards of their decisions.
Yes, Adam could've lived much longer than he did. Eternally? NO! Unless of course, he ate of The Tree of Life FIRST, and not second. And but of course, they didn't, being the opposite. The results? God had to boot them out of the Garden, so that they COULD NOT eat of the Tree of Life and live forever in their now sinful condition. Such is our inheritance from Adam.

 

[Earburner]

^ By that act of judgment from God, man has no eternal existence of any kind.
Apart from Christ, we SURELY DO DIE- perish.

 

[Earburner]

^ So, as you can see, A&E were not created with eternal life/existence, meaning nothing of them at all could go on into eternity from them.

 

[Earburner]

Once they’ve heard it from God that they were that man of sin exalting themselves in His temple they’ll understand, and only then.

the heart of man is the throne of David, only Christ should be seated there.

Amen! You are absolutely correct.
You said it well, and very much to the point for understanding!

 

[Earburner]

Once again, who said "given"?

Well? How does one "have" the Holy Spirit, if it isn't "given" by God the father and God the Son? Surely you are not thinking that everyone is physically born of/with the Holy Spirit.
If so, then you are following
"church-ianity", and not that of the scriptures, of which describe Christianity.
In the KJV:
Luke 11:13
John 3:3-8
John 14:16, 26
Romans 9:8-9
Revelation 3:20

 

[Earburner]

^ Also Romans 8:8-9

 

[Timtofly]

^ So, as you can see, A&E were not created with eternal life/existence, meaning nothing of them at all could go on into eternity from them.

They were created to never die. It was the disobedience that killed them, not the way they were created.

Who said they were not eating from the tree of life all the time? That would not have changed their ability to live for ever. Their ability to live for ever, meant they could keep eating from the tree of life forever. They were already living before the tree was planted. They being Adam and the sons of God. Eve came after the tree of life was planted. Those on the 6th day came 1000 years before God planted a Garden and placed Adam in that Garden. The Sabbath was in between the 6th Day of Creation, and when God came back after the Sabbath to plant the Garden of Eden.

Genesis 2 states God came back after the Lord's Day and planted again. During the Day of the Lord, no new plants ever grew. It says that nothing wild sprang up. Nor was any ground tilled during this Lord's Day. It was not 24 hours. It was, according to 2 Peter 3:8, 1000 years.

Many think Genesis 2 is God stating creation over again, but not in the same order. All Genesis 2 states is that no seeds ever germinated for 1000 years. Nothing wild, and nothing domestic. The seeds of the plants and trees was the diet of all living creatures, even in the sea. Nothing entered the ground and brought forth new plant life until God returned and planted the Garden of Eden.

Now one could argue it was an indefinite period of time, like Amil do, but it certainly was longer than 24 hours. Was it 10,000 years, 100,000 years? Longer? I will stick with 1000, like Peter did.

The Sabbath allowed the sons of God to multiply and fill the earth as God intended. After that, God separated Adam and placed him in a Temple setting. Adam was the keeper of both trees that God planted. Adam was told one command. Not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The day he ate, disobeyed God, he would die. That is exactly what happened, when he ate.

 

[Timtofly]

Well? How does one "have" the Holy Spirit, if it isn't "given" by God the father and God the Son? Surely you are not thinking that everyone is physically born of/with the Holy Spirit.
If so, then you are following
"church-ianity", and not that of the scriptures, of which describe Christianity.
In the KJV:
Luke 11:13
John 3:3-8
John 14:16, 26
Romans 9:8-9
Revelation 3:20

Who calls one into spiritual life? You think the Holy Spirit sits outside of a body, waiting to be let in? The seal of the Holy Spirit starts at conception until it is broken or one has passed from death unto life. The Holy Spirit replaces our spirit, because being born into Adam's family, we do not have a spirit with us. It is with God. The spirit will not join the soul and body until the Second Coming, when the complete image of God will be restored to those under the Atonement Covenant. The word for spirit is the same as breath, but the breath leaves our body at physical death, not the spirit. At conception the spirit is with God, and the Holy Spirit seals us instead of the spirit that is with God. The separation of body soul and spirit happened when Adam ate. Adam lost the spirit. Adam lost the incorruptible permanent physical body. The soul became a sin nature. Everything about Adam died. All his offspring from Seth were in a state of death. The only thing going for them was the work of the Holy Spirit. Faith being the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. After Pentecost the power of the Holy Spirit was given to all freely.

Did all of humanity have the ability to please God, or only a select few? Do you think we have been able to manufacture our own faith, since Seth? Seems to me those who exercised faith since Enoch, did so because of the Holy Spirit, not their sin nature.

 

[Earburner]

They were created to never die. It was the disobedience that killed them, not the way they were created

You are not hearing the Holy Spirit's voice in the scriptures concerning that event, but would rather heed the fantasies of church-ianity.
Listen closely: KJV- Genesis 3[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and
** live for ever:
[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

**One can't lose, what one NEVER HAD.
However, they DID lose the opportunity to "live forever", and through them, so did we!