Yes, I also had a personal revelation from God. But then I decided to find objective evidence of His existence. And they were found.
Where did God come from? - The answer to a frequent question
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From the fact that man is created in the image of God, does not mean that man is God.
eldios
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Man and God are the same exact thing but since you don't understand what the thing is, then you will remain confused until you wake up on a new earth with your eternal partner of the opposite sex. Only us servants who testify to the knowledge of God called Christ learn what Man and God are and anyone chosen to listen to the gospel of God we preach to them and believe it to be true.
I always thought that God is omnipotent. And I do not notice such abilities for a person. How can God and man be the same?
eldios
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If you understand how artificial intelligence and voice recognition systems work, then you can understand what man and God are. If you listen to the voice named "siri" from an Apple IPhone, she will give you answers to your questions. The voice of God is similar to the voice named "siri" but the voice of God has a lot of personality in it. It can sound loud and demanding when disciplining you or very soft and comforting after disciplining you. It can cause fear when it catches you doing something wrong or it can feed your mind words, visions, dreams and spoken analogies to teach you how you're created.
The artificial intelligence systems are man-made and are not capable of possessing personality traits. These are all the same usual bots. God is the Almighty Person-the First Cause, the Creator of everything. God by the way can only be one, since He is the Absolute. There can not be more than one Absolute. And you say that man and God are one and the same. But there are a lot of people and all of them are limited.
Why God is the Only One?
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...quote eugenelester.. "My vocation is to work through the mind. "
That is sad to hear...it can let us down at any time!! It may be a vocation, but it sure isn't a 'calling'...therefore it is not a 'hearing' relationship with God.....but your own counsel!!
We don't need the bible to believe or prove God...Adam, Moses, Abraham ......didn't have one..
God "wrote it" in the sky and in creation for all to see , which goes for us..and also against us if we reject Him.
Romans 1.20. "For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
That is sad to hear...it can let us down at any time!! It may be a vocation, but it sure isn't a 'calling'...therefore it is not a 'hearing' relationship with God.....but your own counsel!!
We don't need the bible to believe or prove God...Adam, Moses, Abraham ......didn't have one..
God "wrote it" in the sky and in creation for all to see , which goes for us..and also against us if we reject Him.
Romans 1.20. "For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
Did you communicate with atheists? I talked. They mostly ask the right and good questions. But Christians are so stony in their understanding of God that they do not try to understand atheists. And the questions of atheists make us think. And to use the mind of Christ, which is given to us.
Your quote from the Bible is beautiful. Like everything in the Bible. But in fact, we must be able to show others how exactly the entire creation indicates the existence of God. This quote just shows that we can provide evidence of the existence of God through His creation.
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The created mind of a created man is connected to the mind of God as ONE THING. Once you understand what that ONE THING is, then you can understand all the prophecies in the OT..
Helen
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Eugenelester..Quote:- "But in fact, we must be able to show others how exactly the entire creation indicates the existence of God. This quote just shows that we can provide evidence of the existence of God through His creation."
Who says so? Why must we " be able to show others exactly the entire creation shows the existence of God" ?
Come on...HE has already done it better than we can!!
It says in Hebrews that Jesus was the outraying of God ( His Light)
We can talk to people, we can tell them how we got where we are , we can give our story. But we cannot impart faith or vision to anyone... Only the Holy Spirit can do that. Only God opens blind eyes. We don't " have to" prove anything to any man. That is not what God told His church to do....share the message yes, bind up the wounds yes, pray for them yes...but "prove anything" ....NO.
That is why it is " salvation by FAITH".., not , salvation by proof.
Who says so? Why must we " be able to show others exactly the entire creation shows the existence of God" ?
Come on...HE has already done it better than we can!!
It says in Hebrews that Jesus was the outraying of God ( His Light)
We can talk to people, we can tell them how we got where we are , we can give our story. But we cannot impart faith or vision to anyone... Only the Holy Spirit can do that. Only God opens blind eyes. We don't " have to" prove anything to any man. That is not what God told His church to do....share the message yes, bind up the wounds yes, pray for them yes...but "prove anything" ....NO.
That is why it is " salvation by FAITH".., not , salvation by proof.
A very simple answer to you in the form of a question that is usually asked by unbelievers. Why is your God real, and others not? Or is your God better than the gods of other religions? Or from what you generally took that there is a God, your quote from the Bible does not say anything, explain in more detail.
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God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The creator cannot be any item of the creation. If creator becomes creation, there must be some other creator for this creator to become the creation. Ad-infinitum (Anavastha) results. Science disproved some conclusions of the earlier logic and this should not be misunderstood as refusing God. God is in no way touched because the earlier logic also was dealing with only the analysis of created items. Tarka means the analysis of the items of creation, which are indicated and understood by their corresponding names or words (Tarkyante Padarthah Asminniti….). God is beyond all the words and cannot be the understood meaning of any word and therefore, logic cannot touch God.
Today science is the most advanced logic since the experimental verification was improved. Therefore if I am explaining the philosophy based on science, it means that the philosophy is more and more clear due to the advanced logic. I told you already that the logic (science) is only useful to refuse any item of creation as not God.
We should base the subject of philosophy related to God on good logic, which is scientific and systematic without defects like mutual contradiction, ad-infinitum etc.
The example for ad-infinitum is that an endless chain is created in statements like ‘which is the cause for God?’ In the analysis of creation, you may go on stating the cause for every cause.
You may say that the cause for earth is water. The cause for water is fire. The cause for fire is air. The cause for air is space. The cause for space is God (Atmana Aakashah… Veda). You should stop at a particular cause, which has no cause. If you go on giving cause to every cause, the chain will never end. Such a defect is called as ad-infinitum (Anavasthaa). To remove this defect, we have to stop at some cause, which is called as the ultimate cause i.e., the God. Hence, the subject of philosophy (Vedanta) should be always based on good logic (Sat tarka) only. Shankara told this point that bad crooked logic should be stopped and good logic should be followed in any discussion (Dustarkah suviramyataam shrutimatah tarkonu sandhiyataam…).
Today science is the most advanced logic since the experimental verification was improved. Therefore if I am explaining the philosophy based on science, it means that the philosophy is more and more clear due to the advanced logic. I told you already that the logic (science) is only useful to refuse any item of creation as not God.
We should base the subject of philosophy related to God on good logic, which is scientific and systematic without defects like mutual contradiction, ad-infinitum etc.
The example for ad-infinitum is that an endless chain is created in statements like ‘which is the cause for God?’ In the analysis of creation, you may go on stating the cause for every cause.
You may say that the cause for earth is water. The cause for water is fire. The cause for fire is air. The cause for air is space. The cause for space is God (Atmana Aakashah… Veda). You should stop at a particular cause, which has no cause. If you go on giving cause to every cause, the chain will never end. Such a defect is called as ad-infinitum (Anavasthaa). To remove this defect, we have to stop at some cause, which is called as the ultimate cause i.e., the God. Hence, the subject of philosophy (Vedanta) should be always based on good logic (Sat tarka) only. Shankara told this point that bad crooked logic should be stopped and good logic should be followed in any discussion (Dustarkah suviramyataam shrutimatah tarkonu sandhiyataam…).
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God doesn't come from anywhere. God is the origin (itself). Everything comes from God including space, location, etc.
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God helped me understand the idea of His eternal existence by showing me that no matter where I try to draw a line across the universe and say that space stops here, there will always be something on the other side of the line, even if its just empty space. So even the heavens teach us about God.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
My honest answer is that i don't know, but I do have an opinion based on observations. I am of the idea that God came from the minds and imaginations of human beings looking for answers pertaining to existence, how nature works, and individual purpose. Over time concrete "god" concepts arose as groups of people united their ideas. Specific gods became affiliated with certain tribes of people and as the tribes of men interacted and fought, the victors and their deity concepts were promoted. Man's knowledge grew so some deistic ideas fell by the wayside while others were refined to keep up with the times.
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That's like saying pots are the result of people using them, rather than them being made by a potter.
But even your own ideas or analogy end with all things being made; and if made, then there is a Maker.
Your logic is simply incomplete.
While I generally don't like to get into the "does God exist" debates, I will say that I've always seen the concept of gods and religion as one of man's early attempts to explain the world around him. Why is there a drought? Why did it flood? Why did the volcano erupt? What was that earthquake? Why is the sun dark today? What's that big thing in the night sky (comets)?
It's surprising how much religion can be boiled down to the simple concept of "the gods are angry/pleased".
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