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Which temple does he stand in claiming to be God?

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by afaithfulone4u, Mar 13, 2013.

  1. Rex

    Rex New Member

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    I know I know ask me ohohoh, ...........Ok Rex tell the class the answer,........it because it's the temple of God, not Christ church.
    Unbelieving Jew that's the best one yet. You even started a thread LOL


    They must be sneaking in unawares [​IMG]
     
  2. daq

    daq HSN#1851

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    You just accused me in my own thread of doing what you are now doing here in this thread. And it is those who believe that "they cannot be deceived" which are the MOST prone to be thoroughly and completely deceived. This is clearly evidenced in anyone who will "profess the teachings of Paul" yet shifts his stance and contradicts Paul when he clearly speaks of the temple being the saints and the body of Messiah. Both the body of Messiah is the temple and you yourself are an "individual temple" because your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Anyone who would find the need to switch these meanings when it comes to passages from the same author, such as Thessalonians, clearly reveals that he or she is no true disciple of either Paul or the Word from which all the doctrines of Paul flow. :)
     
  3. Rex

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    It's bin my opinion and observation that veteran is rather clever at changing words and phrases in many threads.

    John 2:19
    Rev 21:22
     
  4. daq

    daq HSN#1851

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    And Revelation 21:22 is the fulfillment of these supernal promises:

    Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
    18. Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, [supernal] and bind them for a sign upon your hand, [supernal] that they may be as frontlets between your eyes [supernal].
    19. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
    20. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, [supernal] and upon thy gates: [supernal]
    21.
    That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

    Ezekiel 11:16 KJV
    16. Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary [miqdash-chapel] in the countries where they shall come.
     
  5. Rex

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  6. veteran

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    That quote above in bold was not by me.

    Rex is making up stories, just as a lot the false Jews often do.
     
  7. Rex

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    Your right it was a comment to daq and the quote was daq's as well, one of the very few times I don't edit to include the flag of the person I was quoting.

    I'm not making up anything, as a matter of fact your the one that changed 2 Thes 2 to read Christ church instead of temple of God, that's making something up.
    I replied to your word change in post 21 http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17828-which-temple-does-he-stand-in-claiming-to-be-god/#entry187303

    So you see your paranoia is casing to see or believe things that are not true, anyone that read daq's reply could see that the quote was his.
    I've been threw this with you before, the two Greek words that translate temple into English.

    I really don't appreciate you referring me an unsaved Jew and then starting a thread, but I suppose it does prove a point that your rather nutty, and seldom have anything to offer other than barging into a topic making accusations and calling people names, and in this case changing scripture to make a point.
    But it has given me something to chuckle about.
     
  8. dragonfly

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    I'd heard that the Temple the Jews are planning, will be built at Bethel. Anyone know about that?


    Hi Rex,

    I was going to comment on naos being a reference to the Holy of holies or heart of the physical buildings of the Temple complex, but the physical buildings is a different Greek word which is far less frequently used. It's naos (Strong's 3485) which appears in 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
     
  9. Rex

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    Arnie Manitoba Well-Known Member

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    You nailed it.
     
  11. veteran

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    You're dellusional you white-washed wall. I've never said anywhere that the 'temple of God' phrase in 2 Thess.2:4 points to Christ's Church, at anytime.

    Instead, I've always taught that phrase means a LITERAL PHYSICAL temple standing in Jerusalem for the last days, with that false one Paul mentions there coming to literally sit in it causing false worship.

    Like I said, you're dellusional. Greek naos there in 2 Thess.2:4 is about a literal physical temple in Jerusalem, as also in many New Testament Scriptures (like Matt.23:16; Matt.23:17; Matt.23:35; Matt.27:5; Matt.27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 1:9; Luke 1:21, and many, many more).

    You're Pharisee lies aren't working.


    You obviously have not looked at their usage enough!

    Greek naos is used for the literal physical temple at Jerusalem in MANY New Testament Scriptures. All you're trying to do is apply a pry bar into what Apostle Paul was teaching in warning of a false one coming to sit in a literal temple at Jerusalem for the last days, just so you can try and insert your false Pharisee doctrine of claiming it means Christ's Church!
     
  12. daq

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    I might not believe it if I did not read it with my own eyes but this is exactly the topic you quoted in my thread already when you labeled and libeled me a blasphemer; yet here you are denying the Testimony of Yeshua, concerning the meaning of the Naos, after having already read and quoted what was posted there:

    Quote:]"When we arrive at the Gospel of John we are informed more clearly of what the Naos-Temple concerns:

    John 2:13-21 KJV
    13. And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
    14. And found in the temple [GSN#2411 hieron] those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
    15. And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, [GSN#2411 hieron] and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
    16. And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
    17. And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
    18. Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
    19. Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, [GSN#3485 naos] and in three days I will raise it up.
    20. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple [GSN#3485 naos] in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
    21. But he spake of the temple [GSN#3485 naos] of his body.


    If therefore the Master speaks of the Naos-Temple of his Body, and the saints be in and of the one Body of Messiah, then I choose that interpretation of the Naos-Temple whenever I read of it hereafter in the Word, that is to say, that the Naos-Temple concerns the body temple supernal and the true Temple of God rather than a physical Hieron-Temple building made with the hands of men."[End Quote.
    http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17771-temples/?p=185511 ("Temples" Post #1)
     
  13. Rex

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    As everyone knows who has disagreed with your option we all have to put up with your slander, and of course it's useless to bother showing evidence to you.

    Seeing you had no reply I'll simply ask you to comment on my outline, please offer an explanation for the following. If you can refrain from name calling and redirecting the topic to two Greek words you don't even understand or care to. Ignoring scripture is a fools game, and that is how you are attemping to make your point in this topic.

    A question, just how will God bless or accept a temple built by unbelievers "unbelieving Jews no less LOL", how could it be called Gods temple? It would contradict everything Jesus did and died for.

    --------------------------------------My outline you ignored.

    I suppose you believe a temple is necessary. So tell me according to Paul how could it be considered the temple of God.

    1 Cor 3:16

    1 Cor 3:9

    2 Cor 6:16

    Eph 2:22

    1 Peter 2:5



    Psalm 127:1

    1 Unless the Lord builds the house,
    the builders labor in vain.
    Unless the Lord watches over the city,
    the guards stand watch in vain.

    And Jesus himself said, Matthew 23
    38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’

    Now how is it that unbelieving Jews building a temple that don't
    believe in Jesus will ever be considered the temple of God, when Jesus
    himself condemned the last temple and told them, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord! The Lord Himself said I will have nothing to do with you until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!--->>> Lord = Jesus and LORD = the father by the way.

    Now Veteran please explain the mental gymnastic necessary to call such a
    place build by unbelieving Jews "one of your favorite phrases" a house of God? Or does simply ignoring other
    scripture get you there.
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    I understand the many in the churches have been taught that a temple must be built by unbelieving Jews and the sacrificial blood of lambs must be reinstated. But will God call this His temple, after Jesus has already been offered once and for all. It boggles my understanding of basic salvation that people believe this stuff. The LORD is really going to look down and bless those that reject Christ and call the work of their hands His house, after the NT clearly tells us that God has left the Naos of the temple to reside with-in us. Dispensation has surly polluted the basic gospel. There is not two gospels one for Jews and one for Gentiles.

    And Jesus himself said, Matthew 23
    38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’

    This verse alone should indicate that God does not have blinders on the Jews. One verse is interpreted that God has blinded the Jews Romans 11 and I could find half a dozen that say differently. If that be the case which verse is probably interpreted incorrectly. God blinds unbelievers hard hearts ect. not those that search for Him.
     
  14. veteran

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    Since your stupid wordplay with the Greek words for temple has failed, now you've got to try and change directions I see.

    Paul was speaking of a literal PHYSICAL TEMPLE standing in Jerusalem for that false one of 2 Thess.2:4 coming to sit in playing God for the last days. Seeing how untruthful you've been with spreading falsehoods here, I wouldn't doubt you're sending money to Jerusalem to those unbelieving Jews there who have been busy for years now gathering materials to build another temple in Jerusalem. But you would never fess up to that if true, a deceiver never would.
     
  15. Rex

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    Then Paul, Jesus and the rest of the Gospel writers must be stupid as well for using two words to describe the temple.
    No change of direction, you haven't addressed a singe post I made showing what I posted is in error. You have simple stated I'm wrong and it will be a building, built by unbelieving Jews. That's your evidence in support of 2 Thes 2. Besides slander and name calling against me or anyone else that disagrees in every other sentence.

    You have no comment on the original context of my post in this thread before you crashed it like a madman. The temple was first mentioned by me in regards to having this discussion with you before. You ignore again the original content of what I have said in this tread, it posted it right above your last post.

    Whether the Jews build a temple or not is beside the point, its not the answer to the question, any bozo knows including you Colonel Klink they would like to place it on the dome of the rock. They would start construction tomorrow If it wouldn't trigger a war. The question is, can this be called the house of God? As described in 2 Thes 2. The rest of your post is simply wild speculation as is most of what you have to say.
     
  16. dragonfly

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    Hi all,

    Here is an extract from littleguyintheeye's series on 'The Great Counterfeit' (Mark of the Beast) in which he shows how Satan in his seeking to be like God, is counterfeiting God's intentions for His relationship with His people. As a result, there could well be a false Temple.

    The question which you, Rex, are asking, about the terms of reference of the temple to which Christ will return if it is not his people, (naos) is a very good one, and I agree with your defence of 'the temple made without hands' from the NT as being the body of Christ, but, there is plenty of evidence in scripture to support the return of Christ being associated with an end to the counterfeit system by which many will have become enslaved.

    Here is the first part of chapter 11, entitled 'Zionism'.

    'Zion represents the people and the land of the Covenant. Biblically, people are equated with lands. The Scriptures refer to the people and land of the covenant as Zion, so the adversary/counterfeiter desires to be linked with this term Zion. The adversary seeks to be like the Most High (Isaiah 14:14), sitting on the sides of the North. This is defined as Mt. Zion.

    Psa 48:2 Beautiful on high, the joy of all the earth, is Mount Zion, in the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

    As discussed throughout this series on the mark, the foundation of the mark is the image (Acts 17:29) of the God you serve and the covenant with that God. The mark of YHWH is His covenant which is His Word (Isaiah 42:6; 49:8; Zechariah 9:11; Jeremiah 31:31; Matthew 26:28). The mark of the beast is a counterfeit, the covenant with death (Isaiah 28:15). We must choose which God we will serve. YHWH Elohim, the Creator of all things, or the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4). So too, we must choose which Zion we will be a part of. The Zion spoken of in the Scriptures which is the body of Messiah, or the Zionism of this world which is the body of the beast/synagogue of satan.

    Messiah comes with vengeance because of this subject and the hijacking of Zion by the adversary.

    Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD’S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.' Read more...

    Here is the index to the full work, 'Mark of the Beast - The Great Counterfeit' (which is a new title for 'Mark of the Beast or Mark of Yah').
     
  17. JB_Reformed Baptist

    JB_Reformed Baptist Many are called but few are chosen.

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    But do they have a red heifer available for sacrifice, as I understand that it's significant to their practice of religion?
     
  18. dragonfly

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    The preparation of the red heifer was of particular significance in the wilderness. In some ways, it reminds us of our need for the Holy Spirit to apply the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ, to our souls. Acts 20:28
     
  19. Rex

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    A counterfeit that is my opinion as well, In the first place a counterfeit temple can not be refereed to Gods temple, in the second place Paul sets the stage for what is coming a counterfeit in the flesh. Just as the word became flesh.

    the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed,
    the man doomed to destruction.

    Paul the one called, the writer of most of the NT, was prophesying a temple building built by unbelieving Jews and calling it Gods temple? the temple of God the AC will enter into.
    Not very likely and more likely he's referring to the manifestation of Satan in the flesh. but most of the modern churches are all looking for a temple building so it must be so,,,,,, right.
     
  20. dragonfly

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    Hi Rex,
    That's a very interesting statement in this context because littleguyintheeye (Levi Madison whose writing I linked in the earlier post) states that 'the mark of the covenant' is 'the word', and I this goes along with what Jesus taught in John 6 about eating His flesh and drinking His blood. The word becomes flesh in us through our dying in Him and being renewed by the quickening of the Holy Spirit. (Romans 8:13, 11)
     
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