Who did Jesus Die a Ransom for?

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The reason everyone is born in sin and dies is because of Adam. Rom 5:12 says, “…just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned-.” (NWT). When Adam disobeyed, he lost his right to live and he lost his family’s right to live.

Under Moses’ Law, justice demanded “a life for a life.” This was God’s perfect law. If a man killed someone, he must pay with his own life: a life for a life. (Exodus 21:23-25; Deuteronomy 19:21). Jehovah solved the problem by satisfying justice with the Ransom price of Jesus perfect human life paid for Adam’s lost perfect human life.

The Apostle Paul uses the Greek word anti-lutron, signifying, “a corresponding price,” saying, “The man, Christ Jesus, gave himself a ransom [anti-lutron—corresponding price] for all, to be testified in due time.” 1 Tim. 2:6. The Greek word lutroo is rendered “redeemed.” Prof. Young defines lutroo to signify “to loose by a price”—that is, to set free by the payment of a price. The basis or root of this word is lutron, which, as noted above with anti, used either as a prefix or a suffix, signifies a corresponding price.

Put in simple terms, Ransom means that something was lost and that you have to pay something of equal value to get it back.

Salvation comes by substitutionary atonement. One man, Jesus Christ, died for one man, Adam, so that Adam and all his posterity might live. The Apostle Paul outlines this concept of substitutionary atonement in two passages:

“For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” Corinthians 15:21, 22​
“But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.” Rom. 5:15​

Since the first man, Adam, was a perfect human being, it follows that Jesus, as a corresponding price, must also be a perfect human being and that the resultant life for Adam’s posterity must be perfect human life.

As Adam, through disobedience, forfeited his life, so Jesus, by his death, as a corresponding price, paid a full and exact offset for Father Adam’s life, and in consequence for all Adam’s posterity—every human soul—sharers in his fall and in his loss. With Adam redeemed, all his posterity are entitled to a resurrection from the dead to human perfection and a trial for life under the favorable conditions of Paradise Earth.

Until Jesus came, no human man could provide that Ransom price, because they were all sinners. No one was the perfect human equivalent of Adam.
Psalms 49:7 (NASV) “No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him”

Romans 3:10 (NKJV) “There is none righteous, no, not one”​

Job spoke prophetically of Jesus Ransoming mankind and resulting in their restoration back to life and youth.

Job 33:23-25 (NASV) 23 “If there is an angel as mediator for him, One out of a thousand, To remind a man what is right for him, 24 Then let him be gracious to him, and say, ‘Deliver him from going down to the pit, I have found a ransom’; 25 Let his flesh become fresher than in youth, Let him return to the days of his youthful vigor”​
 

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With Adam redeemed, all his posterity are entitled to a resurrection from the dead to human perfection and a trial for life under the favorable conditions of Paradise Earth.
There is no "entitlement" in salvation. Only those who obey the Gospel, and repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, are saved. And many will not be saved. Also there will be no Paradise on earth.
 
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Under Moses’ Law, justice demanded “a life for a life.” This was God’s perfect law. If a man killed someone, he must pay with his own life: a life for a life. (Exodus 21:23-25; Deuteronomy 19:21). Jehovah solved the problem by satisfying justice with the Ransom price of Jesus perfect human life paid for Adam’s lost perfect human life.
Do you really think that God is as primitive and as barbaric......almost a simpleton, as you've described him?
 

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Salvation comes by substitutionary atonement.
There is a problem with this model of atonement.
It makes God a debtor!
If you believe Christ suffered as a substitute for us, that is, instead of us, then you miss the meaning and application of his death. It also precludes Jesus from benefiting from his own death, as is taught in Hebrews 9:12 & 13:20.
Have you explored these issues?
The representative model expresses the teaching..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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There is no "entitlement" in salvation. Only those who obey the Gospel, and repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, are saved. And many will not be saved. Also there will be no Paradise on earth.
Oddly you are right as entitlement would make God a debtor, but you are wrong about the KoG being on Earth. Lots of work do here Enoch...hope you get to be apart of it.
 

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...but you are wrong about the KoG being on Earth.
Have you never seen the prophecies regarding the Kingdom of God on earth? You could start with Daniel 7:13,14 and work you way through the Bible.
 

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Have you never seen the prophecies regarding the Kingdom of God on earth? You could start with Daniel 7:13,14 and work you way through the Bible.
Ah sorry my mistake I thought you didn't believe it was on earth
 

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There is a problem with this model of atonement.
It makes God a debtor!
He is a debtor, Adam sinned, bringing sin and death into the world. A ransom was needed to balance the scales of justice. He died for Adam and in dying for Adam, he redeem all in Adam's loins, the world of mankind.
If you believe Christ suffered as a substitute for us, that is, instead of us, then you miss the meaning and application of his death. It also precludes Jesus from benefiting from his own death, as is taught in Hebrews 9:12 & 13:20.
Have you explored these issues?
Of course I have. Jesus gave up his humanity, which is why he can never be human again. The man Christ Jesus no longer exist. He however was raised a spirit.
 

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He is a debtor, Adam sinned, bringing sin and death into the world. A ransom was needed to balance the scales of justice. He died for Adam and in dying for Adam, he redeem all in Adam's loins, the world of mankind.
So as to be clear you believe God is a debtor to mankind in relation to salvation?
Of course I have. Jesus gave up his humanity, which is why he can never be human again. The man Christ Jesus no longer exist. He however was raised a spirit.
Wow you should read this thread Our hands have handle
You have much to learn.
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The reason everyone is born in sin and dies is because of Adam. Rom 5:12 says, “…just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned-.” (NWT). When Adam disobeyed, he lost his right to live and he lost his family’s right to live.

Under Moses’ Law, justice demanded “a life for a life.” This was God’s perfect law. If a man killed someone, he must pay with his own life: a life for a life. (Exodus 21:23-25; Deuteronomy 19:21). Jehovah solved the problem by satisfying justice with the Ransom price of Jesus perfect human life paid for Adam’s lost perfect human life.

The Apostle Paul uses the Greek word anti-lutron, signifying, “a corresponding price,” saying, “The man, Christ Jesus, gave himself a ransom [anti-lutron—corresponding price] for all, to be testified in due time.” 1 Tim. 2:6. The Greek word lutroo is rendered “redeemed.” Prof. Young defines lutroo to signify “to loose by a price”—that is, to set free by the payment of a price. The basis or root of this word is lutron, which, as noted above with anti, used either as a prefix or a suffix, signifies a corresponding price.

Put in simple terms, Ransom means that something was lost and that you have to pay something of equal value to get it back.

Salvation comes by substitutionary atonement. One man, Jesus Christ, died for one man, Adam, so that Adam and all his posterity might live. The Apostle Paul outlines this concept of substitutionary atonement in two passages:

“For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” Corinthians 15:21, 22​
“But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.” Rom. 5:15​

Since the first man, Adam, was a perfect human being, it follows that Jesus, as a corresponding price, must also be a perfect human being and that the resultant life for Adam’s posterity must be perfect human life.

As Adam, through disobedience, forfeited his life, so Jesus, by his death, as a corresponding price, paid a full and exact offset for Father Adam’s life, and in consequence for all Adam’s posterity—every human soul—sharers in his fall and in his loss. With Adam redeemed, all his posterity are entitled to a resurrection from the dead to human perfection and a trial for life under the favorable conditions of Paradise Earth.

Until Jesus came, no human man could provide that Ransom price, because they were all sinners. No one was the perfect human equivalent of Adam.
Psalms 49:7 (NASV) “No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him”

Romans 3:10 (NKJV) “There is none righteous, no, not one”​

Job spoke prophetically of Jesus Ransoming mankind and resulting in their restoration back to life and youth.

Job 33:23-25 (NASV) 23 “If there is an angel as mediator for him, One out of a thousand, To remind a man what is right for him, 24 Then let him be gracious to him, and say, ‘Deliver him from going down to the pit, I have found a ransom’; 25 Let his flesh become fresher than in youth, Let him return to the days of his youthful vigor”​
It seems to me the purpose of Christ's death was to prove that Satan would murder an innocent man, thus discrediting Satan.
 

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The reason everyone is born in sin and dies is because of Adam. Rom 5:12 says, “…just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned-.” (NWT). When Adam disobeyed, he lost his right to live and he lost his family’s right to live.

Under Moses’ Law, justice demanded “a life for a life.” This was God’s perfect law. If a man killed someone, he must pay with his own life: a life for a life. (Exodus 21:23-25; Deuteronomy 19:21). Jehovah solved the problem by satisfying justice with the Ransom price of Jesus perfect human life paid for Adam’s lost perfect human life.

The Apostle Paul uses the Greek word anti-lutron, signifying, “a corresponding price,” saying, “The man, Christ Jesus, gave himself a ransom [anti-lutron—corresponding price] for all, to be testified in due time.” 1 Tim. 2:6. The Greek word lutroo is rendered “redeemed.” Prof. Young defines lutroo to signify “to loose by a price”—that is, to set free by the payment of a price. The basis or root of this word is lutron, which, as noted above with anti, used either as a prefix or a suffix, signifies a corresponding price.

Put in simple terms, Ransom means that something was lost and that you have to pay something of equal value to get it back.

Salvation comes by substitutionary atonement. One man, Jesus Christ, died for one man, Adam, so that Adam and all his posterity might live. The Apostle Paul outlines this concept of substitutionary atonement in two passages:

“For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” Corinthians 15:21, 22​
“But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.” Rom. 5:15​

Since the first man, Adam, was a perfect human being, it follows that Jesus, as a corresponding price, must also be a perfect human being and that the resultant life for Adam’s posterity must be perfect human life.

As Adam, through disobedience, forfeited his life, so Jesus, by his death, as a corresponding price, paid a full and exact offset for Father Adam’s life, and in consequence for all Adam’s posterity—every human soul—sharers in his fall and in his loss. With Adam redeemed, all his posterity are entitled to a resurrection from the dead to human perfection and a trial for life under the favorable conditions of Paradise Earth.

Until Jesus came, no human man could provide that Ransom price, because they were all sinners. No one was the perfect human equivalent of Adam.
Psalms 49:7 (NASV) “No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him”

Romans 3:10 (NKJV) “There is none righteous, no, not one”​

Job spoke prophetically of Jesus Ransoming mankind and resulting in their restoration back to life and youth.

Job 33:23-25 (NASV) 23 “If there is an angel as mediator for him, One out of a thousand, To remind a man what is right for him, 24 Then let him be gracious to him, and say, ‘Deliver him from going down to the pit, I have found a ransom’; 25 Let his flesh become fresher than in youth, Let him return to the days of his youthful vigor”​
Well, at least here is a topic we can agree on....:Thumbsup:
 

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There is no "entitlement" in salvation.
That is true, but because of Christ's ransom sacrifice, many are "entitled" to a resurrection....."salvation" will be granted only to those who obey all the teachings of Jesus, either in this life, or when they are resurrected during the thousand year reign of Christ and his elect. Only on passing the final test will everlasting life be granted to all obedient mankind.

Everlasting life is NOT immortality. Mortals cannot become immortals unless God grants them a new birth....that is a resurrection to spirit life in heaven. Those creatures who are confined to planet earth cannot survive outside of earth's atmosphere without life support. Spirits do not need life support. Those taken to heaven must be transformed into spirit beings.
Only those who obey the Gospel, and repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, are saved.
What does it mean to "believe on the Lord Jesus"?
James tells us that the demons "believe" yet they are not saved....they are headed for the abyss, and after the final test, are thrown into the lake of fire.
James 2:19....
"You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder."
"Believing" must then mean something more than acknowledging Jesus as "Lord" because there are those on judgment day who call Jesus their "Lord" but whom Jesus says he "never knew". (Matt 7:21-23)
And many will not be saved.
That is true, but the thing is, many who think that they are "saved" will be very disappointed when Jesus calls them to account as "workers of lawlessness". Whose laws are they breaking?
Also there will be no Paradise on earth.
And yet the first paradise was here on earth, and God placed mankind in that paradise and told his earthly children to make the whole world into a garden like Eden...they were told to "fill the earth and subdue it", bringing the untamed land outside the garden into a place of beauty and enjoyment for all. The more children they had, the more workers there were to spread the boundaries of the garden until they had transformed the whole planet into something that they and their Creator would be proud of.
Revelation 21:2-4 speaks of this new situation with the "former things" passing away.

Not once was Adam ever told that he would live somewhere else when he died.....the purpose of life was to enjoy this earthly paradise forever, and to take care of all that God had created...including each other. Adam was told that at death he would "return to the dust"...not just his body but the "soul" that was Adam would perish, returning to the elements out of which he was created.
God never intended to take any humans to heaven in the beginning because he already had myriads of angels serving him there. Only because of Adam's sin was there a necessity to take the chosen few to assist Jesus in his rulership over mankind.

Many people are fixated on going to heaven, but have no clue about what they will do there. Those who are genuinely elected have no doubt.
 
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Well, at least here is a topic we can agree on....:Thumbsup:
Well not quite Jane. We believe Jesus died for Adam, and in redeeming Adam, he redeems all those who come from Adam's loins, namely the world of mankind.

1 Timothy 2:6 tells us Jesus gave himself a "ransom for all".

The ransom is anti-lutron, according to Strong's is 487 - "a redemption price. - ransom, corresponding to, instead of/exchange"

Through one man (Adam) sin entered the world, and through one man (Jesus) salvation came to all. Of course in the end, they will ALL have to prove themselves during the millennial reign, having a chance as the first pair had in the garden before sin entered the world. This time they will die for their own sins and not the sins of Adam, since Jesus would have wiped Adamic sin off the slate.