Who Goes to Heaven.....and What Will They Do There?
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Waiting on him
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Why did Jesus have John to write to Angels?
Revelation 2:1 KJV
[1] Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
quietthinker
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Waiting on him
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Psalm 19:1-3 KJV
[1] The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. [2] Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [3] There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
This isn’t talking about the cosmos.
[1] The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. [2] Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [3] There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
This isn’t talking about the cosmos.
Waiting on him
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I assume Angels is in reference to the overseers of the churches,,, a reference to ministering Spirits?
Waiting on him
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Hebrews 1:5,13-14 KJV
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [13] But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? [14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
I don’t believe that this is referring to celestial beings.
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [13] But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? [14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
I don’t believe that this is referring to celestial beings.
quietthinker
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hmmmm, the stars (angels) are in his right hand. I've been pondering this myself
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Waiting on him
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I asked AJ in an earlier post to give some supportive text that puts the Sons of God existing at the cosmic creation, or even some scripture supporting this idea. An individual in the Old Testament referenced as a son of God?
Waiting on him
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Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
[13] But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? [14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
quietthinker
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any scriptural reference needs understanding in its context to come to an accurate conclusion. Quoting texts from different quadrants of scripture irrespective of context but because they seem to sound the same puts one behind the eight ball immediately and sets oneself up for self sabotage.
Waiting on him
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This IS talking about the stars. The meaning of the zodiac has been corrupted. The original meaning of the zodiac, the patterns that constellations make, is an outline of redemption.
God created the stars and named the constellations long before demonic forces corrupted the meanings of the stars and enslaved people with superstitious horoscope addiction - the real story of human redemption through Christ is pictured graphically in the starry heavens.
There are several books on this and D. James Kennedy did a sermon on the real zodiac meaning:
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Waiting on him
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Like @quietthinker said their in His right hand.
What your claiming is to earthly for my pallet.
the sheep are on His right hand
Waiting on him
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Waiting on him
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Point is, if we are seated in Christ in the right hand and He is in heaven at the right hand of the Father…… then we’re in heaven safe and sound.
Because angels are ministering spirits sent to the heirs of salvation, and thus each church has an angel watching over it.
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Psa 34:7 The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.
The stars in His right hand are angels. Angels are also called stars in scripture.
The stars that fall to earth in scripture are angels, not literal suns.
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Narrow is the gate and their be few that find it.
Wide is ? If you did once call on the Lord you are saved ?
One who calls on the Lord Jesus Christ all the time, for the rest of ones life may be saved, it's not a one off deal. only the Devil and Satanist do deals in regards to God.
There is no Deal ! you abide in Christ Jesus or you don't. you are one with him, or your not of him or for him and if you are as such you are of the Devil, just making worldly claims, that are of this world. One must be truly born again and one who truly is has the Holy Spirit as their guide, one has eyes to see and ears to hear our Lord and Saviour. one never goes about boasting of what they have done ! they give all to the workings in Jesus Christ.
Look what we did in your name they said to Jesus ? but Jesus said he never knew them ! They were workers of Man, This world !
When you see people boasting, look what our Church has done, that's their work.
But Gods works are different, they come from enlightenment and progress outwardly in Grace, they bear the key fruit of God.
Wide is ? If you did once call on the Lord you are saved ?
One who calls on the Lord Jesus Christ all the time, for the rest of ones life may be saved, it's not a one off deal. only the Devil and Satanist do deals in regards to God.
There is no Deal ! you abide in Christ Jesus or you don't. you are one with him, or your not of him or for him and if you are as such you are of the Devil, just making worldly claims, that are of this world. One must be truly born again and one who truly is has the Holy Spirit as their guide, one has eyes to see and ears to hear our Lord and Saviour. one never goes about boasting of what they have done ! they give all to the workings in Jesus Christ.
Look what we did in your name they said to Jesus ? but Jesus said he never knew them ! They were workers of Man, This world !
When you see people boasting, look what our Church has done, that's their work.
But Gods works are different, they come from enlightenment and progress outwardly in Grace, they bear the key fruit of God.
quietthinker
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In Hebrews here, Paul is addressing Jewish Christians who are being tempted to go back to Judaism...included in that was the worship of angels. His various points highlight the supremacy of Jesus....this is the context.
Angels are ministering spirits for sure and if we see the stars in Jesus' right hand as angels guiding and enlightening, I could roll with that however I suspect there is more to it.
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