Who is “the new Moses”?

[Matthias]

“This idea is made clearest in the second sermon of Peter:

Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet from your brethren as he raised me up. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul that does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed …’ (Acts 3:22-23.)

This quotation is based on Deuteronomy 18:15-19. …”

(William M. Ramsay, The Christ of the Earliest Christians, p. 57)

“To Jewish hearers, then, to call Jesus ‘the prophet like unto Moses’ was to make a startling claim. It was not simply to say that Jesus was one more in the noble succession of Isaiah and Jeremiah and Malachi. It was to claim in some sense that Jesus was the Messiah Himself.”

(Ibid., p. 58)

Which is consistent with what John wrote in 20:31 of his Gospel.

 

[amigo de christo]

“This idea is made clearest in the second sermon of Peter:

Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet from your brethren as he raised me up. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul that does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed …’ (Acts 3:22-23.)

This quotation is based on Deuteronomy 18:15-19. …”

(William M. Ramsay, The Christ of the Earliest Christians, p. 57)

“To Jewish hearers, then, to call Jesus ‘the prophet like unto Moses’ was to make a startling claim. It was not simply to say that Jesus was one more in the noble succession of Isaiah and Jeremiah and Malachi. It was to claim in some sense that Jesus was the Messiah Himself.”

(Ibid., p. 58)

Which is consistent with what John wrote in 20:28 of his Gospel.

We shall acknowledge HIM as the DIVINE SON OF GOD , CHRIST OF GOD .
Jesus was not just some prophet as the religion of islam taught .
Just a friendly reminder . And when he returns IT wont be to unite the christain and the muslim
and etc as THE ISLAM religoin teaches . That be a set up for anti christ . JESUS does not recongize
the religoin of ISLAM of being of GOD and we should NOT either . I am only reminding us of this .
As i am sure some here still realize the truth , but some do not .

 

[Matthias]

We shall call HIM the SON OF GOD . now of course by doing SO
it will not make the religion of ISLAM happy for they beleive GOD has NO SON .
But THE DIVINE SON OF GOD HE IS .
Be on guard mathias they have been trying to remold an image of JESUS
into one more suitable for the muslim so as they can continue to blend all religoins .
I do not know if you know that or not . But in case you did not i was just going to remind you about it my friend .

Dr. Ramsay, a trinitarian (Presbyterian) author, hasn’t mentioned Islam so far in his book. (But I’ve only read the first 65 pages so far.) I’m impressed by what he’s written. I’ve found him to be well-grounded in scripture and historically accurate up to this point in his book.

 

[amigo de christo]

Dr. Ramsay, a trinitarian (Presbyterian) author, hasn’t mentioned Islam so far in his book. (But I’ve only read the first 65 pages so far.) I’m impressed by what he’s written. I’ve found him to be well-grounded in scripture and historically accurate up to this point in his book.

i know nothing of Dr Ramsay .
But we all need to beware .
THEY AINT GONNA PUMP things in UNDER the name of islam
THEY never do this , not at the first .
Rather the men and women w ho deceive this people
come in claoked as though THEY ARE THIS PEOPLE .
So , just because one dont mention it , DONT mean anything .
The most dangerous wolf of all
is not the one on the outside
ITS THE ONE ON THE IN SIDE . we had better keep that IN MIND too .
cause i cannot count the number of ecumenical inclusive wolves at work
that do nothing but try and blend it all together . THEY been workiing on this for years too .
They aint just NOW coming in
THEY BEEN IN and their numbers only G ROW NOW . so do watch out .
AS i said
WE SHALL CALL HIM THE DIVINE SON OF GOD .
now who here would have a problem with that , SEEING we all christain .
DIVINE SON OF GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

As foretold in Deuteronomy18:15-18.

WE shall call HIM the DIVINE SON OF GOD .
does anyone here have a problem with that .
if so F EEL free to explain .

 

[Matthias]

i know nothing of Dr Ramsay .
But we all need to beware .
THEY AINT GONNA PUMP things in UNDER the name of islam
THEY never do this , not at the first .
Rather the men and women w ho deceive this people
come in claoked as though THEY ARE THIS PEOPLE .
So , just because one dont mention it , DONT mean anything .
The most dangerous wolf of all
is not the one on the outside
ITS THE ONE ON THE IN SIDE . we had better keep that IN MIND too .
cause i cannot count the number of ecumenical inclusive wolves at work
that do nothing but try and blend it all together . THEY been workiing on this for years too .
They aint just NOW coming in
THEY BEEN IN and their numbers only G ROW NOW . so do watch out .
AS i said
WE SHALL CALL HIM THE DIVINE SON OF GOD .
now who here would have a problem with that , SEEING we all christain .
DIVINE SON OF GOD .

He’s deceased. Affirmed the Nicene Creed, which he speaks about occasionally in his book. What he doesn’t do is force the apostles into being something which they weren’t.

 

[amigo de christo]

He’s deceased. Affirmed the Nicene Creed, which he speaks about occasionally in his book. What he doesn’t do is force the apostles into being something which they weren’t.

again i know nothing of this man .
But allow me some parting words
CALL JESUS THE DIVINE SON OF GOD .
Unless you THINK HE AINT . but if you BELEIVE THAT then you have bought a lie .
OF course i aint saying you do .
But there is A HUGE reason i am led to remind us TO CONTINUE to call HIM
the DIVINE SON OF GOD THE FATHER .
THEY want THIS REMOVED from his title .
Not saying ramsay did , seeing i dont know the man .
BUT THOSE behind this merger of the religions NEED a jesus that the other religoins can accept .
NOT THE TRUE JESUS WHO was before abrham was
NOT the true JESUS who created all things
NOT the TRUE JESUS WHO IS THE SON OF ALL MIGHTY GOD . cause that one GETS IN THE WAY of their UNITY and merger .

 

[Matthias]

again i know nothing of this man .
But allow me some parting words
CALL JESUS THE DIVINE SON OF GOD .
Unless you THINK HE AINT . but if you BELEIVE THAT then you have bought a lie .
OF course i aint saying you do .
But there is A HUGE reason i am led to remind us TO CONTINUE to call HIM
the DIVINE SON OF GOD THE FATHER .
THEY want THIS REMOVED from his title .
Not saying ramsay did , seeing i dont know the man .
BUT THOSE behind this merger of the religions NEED a jesus that the other religoins can accept .
NOT THE TRUE JESUS WHO was before abrham was
NOT the true JESUS who created all things
NOT the TRUE JESUS WHO IS THE SON OF ALL MIGHTY GOD . cause that one GETS IN THE WAY of their UNITY and merger .

Anyone who cares whether or not I call Jesus, the Messiah, Son of the living God divine or not can search my posts. (If they do, they will find that I do.)

But this thread isn’t about me; nor is it about Dr. Ramsay. It is about the earliest Christians believing that the Messiah is the “new Moses”. As is my custom, I‘ve used trinitarian sources to support my position.

If you (or others) don’t think they did then I invite you (and / or others ) to express it here. I’ll look at whatever evidence is presented with an open mind.

 

[Matthias]

Moses typology -> Jesus is the second, or new, Moses. For any and all who are or may be concerned about it, it has nothing to do with merging religions.

 

[Matthias]

“… Moses is understood to be a type of Christ because Christ is the New Lawgiver.”

Typology | Dr. Philip Irving Mitchell | Dallas Baptist University

Typology shows how Old Testament figures, like Moses, point to Christ. This deeper connection helps us understand how God's plan unfolds throughout history

www.dbu.edu

 

[lforrest]

It’s not uncommon to hear theologians refer to Jesus as “the new Moses”. Last week actor Jim Caviezel referred to Donald Trump as “the new Moses”.

There are theological and political implications associated with the concept of ”the new Moses.”

I don’t have an issue with referring to Jesus as “the new Moses.” For me, referring to Donald Trump - or anyone else - as “the news Moses” goes too far.

Jesus is “the news Moses” -> how do others feel about that?

Donald Trump (or anyone else) is “the new Moses” -> how do others feel about that?

I don't like it. He passes as a Cyrus.

 

[Matthias]

I don't like it. He passes as a Cyrus.

I’m with you. Applying Moses typology to Jesus is one thing, to Trump (or anyone else) another thing entirely. The apostles would never go along with referring to anyone other than Jesus* as the second (or new) Moses.

* Certainly not Muhammad @amigo de christo.

 

[Riven]

I'm the new Moses.
Thank you. Hold your applause.

 

[Matthias]

I'm the new Moses.
Thank you. Hold your applause.

 

[amigo de christo]

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that sounds like the love song of this generation towards the biblical non conforming saints .

 

[Matthias]

that sounds like the love song of this generation towards the biblical non conforming saints .

It was supposed to sound like Queen. (@Riven will probably recognize it.)

Ramsay makes an important observation about this in his book, though on a different level, but it’s off topic for this thread.

In any case, I used it for an entirely different purpose.

 

[Matthias]

We shall call HIM the SON OF GOD . now of course by doing SO
it will not make the religion of ISLAM happy for they beleive GOD has NO SON .
But THE DIVINE SON OF GOD HE IS .
Be on guard mathias they have been trying to remold an image of JESUS
into one more suitable for the muslim so as they can continue to blend all religoins .
I do not know if you know that or not . But in case you did not i was just going to remind you about it my friend .

“For Christians, Jesus was One Divine Lord, better than any pagan cult could offer.”

(William M. Ramsay, The Christ of the Earliest Christians, p. 96)

Satisfied or not satisfied?

 

[amigo de christo]

“For Christians, Jesus was One Divine Lord, better than any pagan cult could offer.”

(William M. Ramsay, The Christ of the Earliest Christians, p. 96)

Satisfied or not satisfied?

Almost . lest one forgets what john once wrote
HE who beleives NOT that JESUS IS the SON of GOD .
so its dire important we do keep that in memory . B ut yes HE IS LORD on that i do agree .

 

[Matthias]

Almost . lest one forgets what john once wrote
HE who beleives NOT that JESUS IS the SON of GOD .
so its dire important we do keep that in memory . B ut yes HE IS LORD on that i do agree .

The earliest Christians - and Ramsay - believed that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[Matthias]

“Sometimes the redeemer of Israel was depicted as God’s anointed ruler (‘Messiah’ in Hebrew, ‘Christ’ in Greek), or a new and greater Moses …”

(Walter H. Wagner, After the Apostles: Christianity in the Second Century, p. 3)