Who Is The "Root" We're Grafted Into?

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Not sure where that leaves us, LoL, although I suppose it could be said that they were connected to the apostles, and thus connected to tree. But that would insinuate that they were not connected to Christ themselves which would be highly problematic theologially. Or are you saying the root therefore has to be something else? I think the expression "the root" here also included the truck of the tree, and thus they were connected to their Lord just as the Jews were.

Hello @Hidden In Him,

It is 4:15am and I have been lying in bed with your words in my head, 'Not sure where that leaves us': and the glorious thought came with it: it leaves us with God in Christ. For the mystery of Israel's blindness was no mystery to God, He knew beforehand that Israel would go away into the darkness of unbelief, and that the Olive Tree would no longer be there to be grafted into.

Yes, He knew, and He had a servant, His Prisoner, in Rome awaiting instruction. To Paul was given the instruction by Divine revelation of what would fill the gap, He gave to him the knowledge of the Church which is the Body of Christ. He made known to Him the Headship of Christ. Through Paul the curse finally fell upon Israel, with those words from Isaiah 6:9-10, in Acts 28:25-28:-

'And when they agreed not among themselves,
they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word,
.. "Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
.... Saying, Go unto this people, and say,
...... Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand;
........ and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
.......... For the heart of this people is waxed gross,
............ and their ears are dull of hearing,
.............. and their eyes have they closed;
................ lest they should see with their eyes,
.................. and hear with their ears,
.................... and understand with their heart,
...................... and should be converted,
........................ and I should heal them.
.......................... Be it known therefore unto you,
............................ that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles,
.............................. and that they will hear it."
And when he had said these words,
the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.'
(Act 28:24-29)

* Praise God! We have the revelation of God revealed to us in the epistles written by Paul to the Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and 2 Timothy particularly, but Titus and Philemon were among those later epistles too. In which God's purpose for the Body of Christ is made known. That is where the answer to your question lies, for both the Jew and Gentile believer in this day. Christ is among us, our hope of glory!!

Praise His Holy Name!

(A cup of camomile tea awaits, and I shall go back to my warm bed :) )
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Randy Kluth]

The trouble with the OT prophets is, in words, they could never distinguish which "coming" of the Day of the Lord, that He was "coming" in.
1. In Jesus' first appearance, the Jews did not know the "time" of their visitation by the Lord, being that of His "coming" to them first.
Luke 19:41-44
2. Then there was the day of Pentecost, whereby through the Holy Spirit, both God the Father and God the Son "come" to us, to dwell within us.
John 14:23
3. And let"s not forget about the two simultaneous events in the day of Christ's Glorious physical "coming" from Heaven, in flaming fire:
(a) the redemption of His Saints
(b) and the destruction of all the unsaved.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.
See also Luke 17:29

Zechariah's prophecies appear to speak as if all is to take place in one literal day. But then again, to the Lord one day is as a thousand years...
2 Peter 3:8.

Therefore, if we are to discern God's thoughts and ways, which are not ours, we should definitely heed the instruction that Paul gave to us. We should be "comparing spiritual things with spiritual"
(1 Corinthians 2:9-13),
as both Isaiah 55:8-9 and Zechariah 4:6 reveal.

Yes, I don't believe the Prophets had a full understanding about how their prophecies would unfold. But it didn't matter. The Coming of the Lord referred to either great judgment or great deliverance. If you're wicked, you don't want the Coming of the Lord. If you're righteous and suffering you do want the Coming of the Lord.

This is how we are to live in the NT, knowing that the Coming of the Lord is bringing both great judgment and great deliverance. We don't have to know the time, but we do have to know our surroundings--what not to get involved with and what things we should be doing.

 

[Hidden In Him]

It is 4:15am and I have been lying in bed with your words in my head, 'Not sure where that leaves us': and the glorious thought came with it: it leaves us with God in Christ. For the mystery of Israel's blindness was no mystery to God, He knew beforehand that Israel would go away into the darkness of unbelief, and that the Olive Tree would no longer be there to be grafted into.

Well, I'm happy for your warm bed and your cup of tea, LoL. That sounds pretty pleasant. Can't say as I agree that the tree would no longer be there, because we are of the tree and the tree is still here in the earth. But I'm happy to leave it as a disagreement. Think I'll go make some tea myself. It's not just an English thing, you know, what what, Lol.

 

[Truth7t7]

Intesting, but not compelling to me to ignore the context of the passage. You've connected the dots with some other passages, but which of those are concerning defending the city against the aggressor nations at the end of the age when YHWH returns to stand upon the earth?

I'm not "looking for" something, that's one of those mischaracterizations.

That there is an heavenly Jerusalem in no wise negates there being an earthly Jerusalem. And the Bible is very clear about Jerusalem an Isreal in prophecy before and when Jesus returns.

Yes, we are come to an heavenly Jerusalem, and Jesus will return to the Jerusalem on earth, at the conclusion of the time of tribulation, during which the beast attempts to destroy the remaining Jews. YHWH will return to stand on the mount of olives, which will split in two, and the Jews that remain in Jerusalem are instructed to flee from through that valley.

It reminds me of the day when Moses parted the sea, and the Isrealites passed through. The Egyptian army followed, and drowned when the sea closed back in on them. Here, they are to flee through the split mount. The winepress of God's wrath? Blood flows out like a river.

Interestingly, You've mentioned Tabernacles. The feast commemorating the Isrealite's wilderness wanderings, until coming to the promised land. Jesus taking on flesh and living among us. As He is, so are we in this world. "And they blasphemed God, and his tabernacle, and those who tabernacle in heaven." That's an interesting verse!

Zechariah prophesied that the nations would be required to come to Jerusalem to celebrate Tabernacles after Jesus comes, during the kingdom age. Won't that be the city of Jerusalem in Israel?

Much love!

There wont be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ as you suggest, Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this existing earthby "Fire"

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[farouk]

There wont be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ as you suggest, Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this existing earthby "Fire"

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

@Truth7t7 Do you think for example that some of those passages refer to Tribulation saints rather than the church? (Matthew 24, for example...)

 

[Earburner]

There wont be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ as you suggest, Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this existing earthby "Fire"

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Very well referenced and presented!

And Jesus Himself put it exactly as we need to hear it and accept it.
Therefore, I repeat for emphasis:
KJV- Luke 17[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Truth7t7]

Very well referenced and presented!

And Jesus Himself put it exactly as we need to hear it and accept it.
Therefore, I repeat for emphasis:
KJV- Luke 17[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Yes I agree, the scripture presented is self explabatory

Amazing how many disregard this simple truth presented, and pretend as if humans continue to exist in a kingdom on this earth

 

[marks]

Therefore, if we are to discern God's thoughts and ways, which are not ours, we should definitely heed the instruction that Paul gave to us. We should be "comparing spiritual things with spiritual"

Why do I always here this verse quoted as a reason to disbelieve the plain statements of the Bible?

Sometimes maybe a day is a day.

Wait . . . didn't Jesus stay in the tomb 3 regular days? Not 3000 years?

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7 Do you think for example that some of those passages refer to Tribulation saints rather than the church? (Matthew 24, for example...)

Matthew 24:29-31 was presented to show Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation

You act as if tribulation saints aren't the church, and I dont believe in a pre-trib rapture found no place in scripture

 

[farouk]

Matthew 24:29-31 was presented to show Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation

You act as if tribulation saints aren't the church, and I dont believe in a pre-trib rapture found no place in scripture

@Truth7t7 I do find 1 Corinthians 10.32 helpful; making sure whether a passage refers to Jews, Gentiles or the church of God. If this is seen, then the 'who' of prophecy is relevant as well as 'when'.

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7 I do find 1 Corinthians 10.32 helpful; making sure whether a passage refers to Jews, Gentiles or the church of God. If this is seen, then the 'who' of prophecy is relevant as well as 'when'.

Once again Matthew 24:29-31 was used to show timing of the Lords return, that will be immediately after a "Future" great tribulation

 

[farouk]

Once again Matthew 24:29-31 was used to show timing of the Lords return, that will be immediately after a "Future" great tribulation

@Truth7t7 Matthew 24.21 and John 16.33 are speaking about two different sorts of tribulation; the one in Matthew has a strong Jewish background.

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7 Matthew 24.21 and John 16.33 are speaking about two different sorts of tribulation; the one in Matthew has a strong Jewish background.

I dont believe in Preterism or 70AD fulfillment if thats where your going with it

Once again the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven is a "Future" event and hasn't been fulfilled

 

[farouk]

I dont believe in Preterism or 70AD fulfillment if that where your going with it

@Truth7t7 No, nor do I; I'm basically premillennial.

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7 No, nor do I; I'm basically premillennial.

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Earburner]

Yes I agree, the scripture presented is self explabatory

Amazing how many disregard this simple truth presented, and pretend as if humans continue to exist in a kingdom on this earth

It starts out mainly due to a complete misunderstanding of who the "little horn" in Daniel WAS, and Who the 70 weeks is really all about.

 

[Earburner]

Why do I always here this verse quoted as a reason to disbelieve the plain statements of the Bible?

Sometimes maybe a day is a day.

Wait . . . didn't Jesus stay in the tomb 3 regular days? Not 3000 years?

Much love!

Why? Mainly because God is a Spirit, and we who are born again, are also Spirit, and therefore should be comparing spiritual things with His spiritual mind (we have the mind of Christ), and not through our natural fleshly mind for understanding.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Why does this generation get more of a chance than their predecessors? So a Jew that died before Christ comes back is lost, but the ones living aren't. Do you see how horribly unfair that is?

Good questions Cassandra. Well, salvation isn't about fairness. If it was, no one would be saved. Salvation depends on whom God wants to bless. If he wants to bless me, I get saved. If he doesn't, I don't. Remember, "Jacob I loved; Esau I hated." God decides whom to bless and his purposes are his.

Consider what He said through Ezekiel.

Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went.
(Read entire passage here. Ezekiel 36:22-32)

In that context God repeats this phrase twice: once in verse 22 and again in verse 32. It isn't a matter of giving everyone an equal chance. God isn't interested in that. He is interested in vindicating his reputation and for that reason, he will bring the sons and daughters of Jacob back to the land, open their eyes, and circumcise their hearts. He will put his spirit in them and they will walk in his ways. And they will accept Jesus as Lord and Savior just like we did.

Yes, you are correct. They broke the covenant. But God tells Israel through Jeremiah that He will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and the house of Judah. They will accept Jesus and believe on his name and he will heal them and restore their nation.

In Matthew 11:42-43, Jesus is not talking to the Jews in a general way; he is talking specifically to the Pharisees. The Kingdom was taken away from the Pharisees and given to the Apostles. Jesus says that when he returns, the apostles will be judging Israel from 12 thrones.

 

[marks]

Why? Mainly because God is a Spirit, and we who are born again, are also Spirit, and therefore should be comparing spiritual things with His spiritual mind (we have the mind of Christ), and not through our natural fleshly mind for understanding.

And would you apply that here?

Matthew 12:40 KJV
40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

If we shouldn't consider that there was a real guy named Jonah, and since there wasn't an actual fish, and not a real 3 days, like monday/tuesday/wednesday, like that, If Jesus wasn't prophesying that He'd be dead and buried for 3 days, what is the actually spiritual meaning we are meant to take from that passage?

Not the fleshy understanding, like, He would be dead, and raised back to life in three days, but the real meaning, what is that?

Or would you leave room to consider it may be an actual man, and a real fish, and a true 3 days, and a prophecy of death and resurrection?

Much love!

 

[Cassandra]

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In that context God repeats this phrase twice: once in verse 22 and again in verse 32. It isn't a matter of giving everyone an equal chance. God isn't interested in that. He is interested in vindicating his reputation and for that reason, he will bring the sons and daughters of Jacob back to the land, open their eyes, and circumcise their hearts.

Is this by force? Why couldn't their dead relatives participate? So God is going to force them to follow Him just because they are Jews? Some will be saved, as with every other nation in the world.

And this is a response to what I've bolded



2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance."

He doesn't pick and choose. He wants all to come to Him. The ones that died last centuries as well as the ones who live this century.

Gal 3:28, 29
"28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Romans 2:28,29 "A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God."

They broke their covenant with God.
The Jews have the same opportunity as everyone else to be saved or lost.
Not just because they are Jewish. Read the Parable of the Tenants Matt 21:33-43.

Also when Jesus comes back the dead will be raised and all of His people will meet him in the air.
1 Thess4:16
'For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever"