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  1. GISMYS_7

    GISMYS_7 Well-Known Member

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    Who Jesus will Return for and Catch up at the (Rapture) Hebrews 9:28=Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To ""those who eagerly wait for Him"" He will appear a second time.
    Those that do not look for and expect the rapture are left behind and then must then try to live under anti-christ rule.
     
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    Jesus does not return for the saints who are alive during the Tribulation. All we know is that they are all suddenly appear in Heaven. That's what the rapture is all about. Revelation declares that the church will be here during the first six seals of Rev 6. After the sixth seal, the Tribulation is brought to a halt as the Times of the Gentiles end as the 144,000 of Israel are sealed, and the saints are raptured. Rev 7. "I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb". “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the Great Tribulation. Rev 7:9-14

    His Second Coming happens at the end of the Tribulation.
     
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    Yes! The rapture comes before the great tribulation as we believers are not appointed to wrath. PTL.
     
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    It is the end of the church age. The Trumpets part of the tribulation are for the Jews. Then they will be raptured. Then the thunderings part of the tribulation are for the nations. This may be when Bill Gates and other billionaires make one last stand. Then in less than 3 years will be the Second Coming. So now is the time to be prepared.

    Those hiding out in caves upon seeing God face to face, Revelation 6, have to worry about the trumpets and thunderings.
     
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    You have twisted Scripture entirely out of context! The Bible here is talking about two alternatives: eternal life or eternal damnation. This passage has nothing whatsoever to with the rapture!

    "For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ," 1 Thessalonians 5:9

    I have provided you with the Scriptural timeline for the rapture in Rev 7, but apparently you have chosen to ignore it.
     
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    Only believers are raptured just before the great tribulation=believers are not appointed to wrath=== 1 Thess.5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Luke 21:36

    “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
     
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    Rev. 7 is about those that see they missed the rapture and choose to become believers during the tribulation.
     
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    Nothing for believers to prepare for, since they all get taken upstairs before the 7 seal is even opened,
     
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    So the 4th seal of war, famine, and wild animals is not something to prepare for?
     
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    Again you have rejected the plain teaching of Scripture which says the opposite to what you are saying, because there will be no saints here after the rapture For those left behind. Scripture declares:

    "They did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts." Rev 9:21.
     
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    The 5th seal is even worse. It is the martyrdom the saints.

    But in all fairness, I actually look forward to the Great Tribulation. It will be a fascinating time for believers. I would hate to miss it!
     
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    Millions will choose to become believers during the tribulation and be killed by anti-christ
    all believers in Christ will be taken to heaven before the events of the tribulation period begin. First Thessalonians 4:13–18 describes the rapture, giving the order of events like this: Jesus comes from heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:16), the dead in Christ rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:16), and living believers are “caught up” to meet the Lord in the air. We believe this event ends the church age, and believers will “be with the Lord forever” following the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
    after the rapture, the seven-year tribulation period that is described in Daniel and Revelation will begin. Revelation 13 refers to a “beast” who will rule with absolute authority during the second half of the tribulation: “The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months” (Revelation 13:5). The Antichrist will be defeated at the second coming of Jesus described in Revelation 19.
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    Matthew 25

    [1] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
    [2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
    [3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
    [4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
    [5] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
    [6] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
    [7] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
    [8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
    [9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
    [10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
    [11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
    [12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
    [13] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
     
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    No, actually it does not happen before the great tribulation. What you are heeding is a tradition from men, and not written Scripture. Even the Hebrews 9 verse you quoted is taken out of context, for it does not... prove a pre-trib coming.

    Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that He gathers His Church AFTER the tribulation. He taught there the same events Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 4.
     
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    Stay behind if you want== believers are not appointed to wrath==pray you be counted worthy to escape.
     
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    You could always read Revelation to see for yourself. That is the book that tells all what happens, and in what order the events happen.
     
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    Totally twisted Scripture
     
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    There is no scripture in that post. So in your mind, is where twisting happens. If it does not make sense, stop twisting the Bible in your own mind.

    Take heed to warnings, or be silent? Double warnings, and triple warnings do not untwist Scripture. Pretzels do taste good, though.
     
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    Being left behind will be no fun but your choice!===Stay behind if you want== believers are not appointed to wrath==pray you be counted worthy to escape.
     
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    If you believe God's Word teaches a Pre-trib Rapture, then show me where such an idea is written in God's Word. Words are meaningless if you can't back 'em up.
     
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