Who Jesus will Return for and Catch up at the (Rapture)

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GISMYS_7

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1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Luke 21:36

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
 

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1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Luke 21:36
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-- Has NOTHING to do with a Tribulation era "rapture". And if there WERE such a verse, then it would CLEARLY STIPULATE: pre- / mid- / post- ; or maybe it's POST MILLENNIAL, as Rev. 20 demands.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! We believe the liars, and can't Read Scripture OR Think for ourselves ...

Slaves to ignorance.
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Pray for some wisdom and understanding and believe God's Word or be left behind.
1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Luke 21:36

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
 

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Why not just believe God's Word on the catching up (rapture)??

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain """shall be caught up together""" with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words1 Corinthians 15:51- 57
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Yes! The rapture comes before the great tribulation as we believers are not appointed to wrath. PTL.

Agree.

Christ's Church: Hinges on what Jesus repeatedly said TO HIS Church:

Mark 5:
[34] And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath "made" thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.

Mark 10:
[52] And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath "made" thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.

Luke 5:
[31] And Jesus answering said unto them, They that arewhole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

Luke 8
[48] And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath "made" thee whole; go in peace.
[50] But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be "made" whole.

Luke 17:
[
19] And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath "made" thee whole.

-WHOLE-
Wholeness of a Natural Human man is:
His Natural BODY; (FLESH)
His Natural SPIRIT; (Heartfull TRUTH)
His Imparted SOUL; (God Breath of Life)


The WHOLE of a Natural man IS Corrupt/ SIN.

Wholeness of A Converted man "Converted lN Christ", is the UNSEEN, Spiritual Converted Change and MAKING of a Natural man, WHOLLY,
(BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT) into a WHOLE, IMMORTAL Glorified man.


The WHOLE Converted MADE man, is an OFFERING, Jesus the Christ Revealed 2,000 + years ago.
The Urgency for every Individual to Choose has been Taught for the past 2,000 + years.
WHO the Converted individual's ARE, (Christ's Church, THOSE "MADE" WHOLE, Body, Soul, Spirit), has been taught for the past 2,000 + years.
WHERE Christ Jesus' BODY and SPIRIT "IS" has been taught for the past 2,000 + years.
( Jesus BODY is IN Heaven. )
( Jesus the Christ's Spirit is IN those MADE Whole )

Correct: Those who ARE MADE WHOLE...are NOT Subject to: or Appointed to Wrath.

Correct: The End of days as we know it ON this current condition of A Corrupt Earth and Corrupt People....SHALL come to an End...

Correct: God has an APPOINTED time...He Shall Reveal His Disappointment, Anger, Wrath UPON:
The Corrupt Earth
The Corrupt People
His Vengence UPON People WHO persecuted His Believers.

Correct:
Those MADE WHOLE, are "Saved FROM", Gods Wrath.

Correct:
The Prophesied Coming Event of "Great Tribulation" is NOT the First World wide prophetic event...

Correct:
The First World wide Tribulation event occurred IN NOAH'S day. (An Earth Cleansing with Water).
Destruction of but a FEW...."SAVED FROM" the World Wide Flood.

How:???
First WHERE was man?
ON the Face of the Earth.
Where was the Destruction?
ON the Face of the Earth.
How were SOME SAVED?
BY BEING RISEN "UP ABOVE" the Face of the Earth.

Gen 8
[9] ... the waters were on the face of the whole earth:

Gen 7
[
18] ... the ark went upon the faceof the waters.

While the World was eating, playing, deceiving one another...
Noah was Believing and Listening TO God, and Following Gods Voice.

Noah's Natural Body was risen UP and SAVED, from Gods Wrath.

As in the Days of Noah...so Shall be the Coming the Lord Jesus the Christ with Power.
(according to a Better Testament that the Word of God Revealed)

Matt 24:
[37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Jesus" is IN Heaven.
He Shall descent From Heaven TO the Clouds.
The Converted WHOLE, Hear His Voice.
A signal Shall Sound (as A Trumpet)
Those Already "MADE WHOLE" (Body, soul, spirit)...
SHALL RISE UP, ABOVE the Face of the Earth...(IN their IMMORTAL glorified Body, Restored Soul, Born Again Spirit)

And MEET their Lord God IN the Air.
BEFORE...(the Rain Falls, as with Noah...or in latter days, BEFORE Wrath Upon the Earth Begins).


The End of Days Tribulation...
IS NOT "FOR" those MADE WHOLE.

It is Precisely For Those NOT "MADE" WHOLE.

The End of days Tribulation...
Is in Segments...and Increasing Severity.

Punishments...AND EXACTED BY WHOM...and UPON WHOM...AND WHY
7 SEALS, 7 TRUMPS, 7 VIALS...

SEALS - the Lamb of Gods Wrath, Against Israel, for hearing of The Christ sent to SAVE them WHOLE, and their Rejection of the Jesus, but NOT God.

TRUMPS -
Warnings, Servants of God, TO SAVE (souls and spirits, NOT Body's) ISRAEL, and any Accepting Gentile.

VIALS -
Vengence IS Gods.
Destroying the Earth, as we know it.
Plants, Trees, Fresh Water, all belong To God to sustain or destroy, as He pleases.
Life Belongs to God to Give and Take, as He Pleases.

NO ONE...who IS WHOLE IS Subject to Experience Wrath:
for Accepting Jesus the Christ.
for Accepting The Lord God.

Earthly Gentile's and Earthly Israel ARE NOT on Earth "In the End of Days Tribulation segments"...Preaching, Teaching, Warning...Serving the Lord God as His Chosen End of days Servants!

Gods Chosen End of Days Servants during the end of days Tribulation ARE:
Specifically:

* Two of Israel's Preserved men Witnesses.
* 144,000 (12,000) of each Virgin men, Tribe of Israel, preserved, Sent and Sealed Witnesses.
* A Lamb
* Holy Angels

The Souls of the Saved...Shall Rise Up to Heaven During the Tribulation, and Worship God and Wait Judgement.
The souls of OF the UN-Saved...Shall remain Separated From God, Go to Hell and Wait Judgement.
BODY'S of the Soul Saved and UNSaved...
SHALL be eaten by birds, rot, return to the dust of the Earth, to Wait Judgement.
1,000 years is the Waiting timeframe for Judgement.

A man ALREADY "MADE" WHOLE, (BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT) exclusively Called Christ's Church...is ALREADY "with" the Lord God Forever.

It's not Ripple's...but any man can BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

Glory to God,
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The Souls of the Saved...Shall Rise Up to Heaven During the Tribulation ...

Ummmmmmm, no. If what you said were true, then Rev. 20:4-6 would account for the "raptured" returning with Jesus. But as it is, the only "rapture" is at the end of the Millennial Kingdom when those who are alive and remain shall be caught up to the New Jerusalem.

But greedy liars want people in everyday fear, and everyday in the pews, and everyday passing the offering plate.

... and of such are HIRELINGS and christianity (small "c").
Bobby Jo
 

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At the end of the Millennial Kingdom The new Jerusalem comes down to earth and God makes His home with His family.
Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
 

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Being left behind will be no fun but your choice!===Stay behind if you want== believers are not appointed to wrath==pray you be counted worthy to escape.

You don't have to pray for escape from eternal wrath. If you've accepted Jesus you're already immune from God's eternal judgment.

The "wrath" Jesus told his disciples to pray for escape from was the 70 AD disaster that national Israel faced due to their rejection of Jesus. This punishment was for the majority of the Jewish People who had rejected their Messiah, but it was not for believers in Jesus, obviously.

So Jesus wanted his disciples to be wise and get out of Jerusalem before the Romans broke through the walls and killed them all. This runs parallel to the time of Jeremiah, when Jerusalem was similarly facing complete defeat and utter destruction.

Jeremiah was led to tell the Jews to avoid this destruction if only they were willing to submit to the punishment that God had now determined was beyond recovery. They could survive if they submitted to their new Babylonian overlords, but not if they rebelled against them.

Similarly, the Jewish remnant who believed in Jesus could avoid destruction if they accepted that punishment had to come upon the Jewish people for their wickedness. They would have to suffer the loss of their holy city, as well, but they could survive if they fled to the nearby hills.
 
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Ummmmmmm, no. If what you said were true, then Rev. 20:4-6 would account for the "raptured" returning with Jesus. But as it is, the only "rapture" is at the end of the Millennial Kingdom when those who are alive and remain shall be caught up to the New Jerusalem.

But greedy liars want people in everyday fear, and everyday in the pews, and everyday passing the offering plate.

... and of such are HIRELINGS and christianity (small "c").
Bobby Jo

:eek:

The Rapture is For those who are Already Whole...
Body, soul, spirit...Christ's Church.
Christ's People! THEY Bodily, soul, spirit / Whole shall Occupy Christ's Kingdom, "with" Christ Jesus for 1,000 years.

Israel is Gods People...the majority DO NOT subscribe Belief in Jesus their Christ Messiah...DUH...they have NOT YET been MADE Whole. They experience a portion of the Tribulation "the Lambs Wrath"...for their Disbelief in Jesus their Christ Messiah.
Even Once they Believe...they do Not Become Christ's Church and join with Christ's Church in the Clouds.
Their body's are killed, rot, wait for ressurection at the end of 1,000 years.
Their Saved Souls go to Heaven to Worship God.

Glory to God,
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The Rapture is for ...

... simpletons, who can't/won't think for themselves -- to identify the evidence and arrive to a conclusion. IT'S TOO HARD.

They can't even see FIVE, and then FOUR, and conclude the the FOUR are the FIFTH "DIVIDED". (Ref. Dan. 2 & 7).


Not all people are intellectually impaired, just most ...
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This scripture is easy to understand for most=====Why not just believe God's Word on the catching up (rapture)??

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain """shall be caught up together""" with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words1 Corinthians 15:51- 57
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Pray for some wisdom and understanding and believe God's Word or be left behind.
1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Luke 21:36

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”

That verse is not proof of a Pre-trib Rapture.

The 'wrath' that Apostle Paul was talking about in 1 Thess.5 (where you are pulling from by your pre-trib teachers), is set for the "day of the Lord". That day is the LAST DAY of this present world, and is the day of Christ's return.
 

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Why not just believe God's Word on the catching up (rapture)??

God's written Word shows a Post-tribulational return of Jesus and gathering of His Church. Those of us who well understand that as written also believe the saints still alive on that day will be "caught up" to Jesus on that day.

The 1 Thessalonians 4 Chapter which reveals that future event of Christ's coming and gathering of 2 separate groups of His saints, does NOT show it happens PRIOR to the tribulation. It shows it will happen at the END of the tribulation...

1 Thess 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.


15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

KJV

The resurrection of the saints that Jesus brings with Him happens ONLY on the LAST DAY of this present world.

So you folks on the false Pre-trib Rapture lie don't even understand the 1 Thessalonians 4 Scripture you quote!!!
 

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... simpletons, who can't/won't think for themselves -- to identify the evidence and arrive to a conclusion. IT'S TOO HARD.

They can't even see FIVE, and then FOUR, and conclude the the FOUR are the FIFTH "DIVIDED". (Ref. Dan. 2 & 7).


Not all people are intellectually impaired, just most ...
Bobby Jo

I have no issue with Trusting what the Lord God Himself has Revealed.
If it is too hard for you and you think Belief, Trust and Understanding hinges on Intelligence you have been duped.

Glory to God,
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...Intelligence ...

Actually I'm surprised you can spell it, -- because you certainly don't exhibit it.

Now if you could prove to me that you have some and can explain the simple, then we can move toward the complex:

Dan. 2:45 says, Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE. And the FIFTH is called a "Divided Kingdom". Now Dan. 7 says FOUR, and we know that FIVE ≠ FOUR, so do the FOUR represent the "Divided Kingdom" noted as follows?

1. Gold, Babylon
2. Silver, Medo/Persia
3. Bronze, Greece
4. Iron, Rome
-- Clay, "Divided Kingdom"
-- 5. Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S.
-- 6. Bear, Russia
-- 7. Leopard (actually a TIGER), China
-- 8. "Dreadful", United Nations -- "eighth which was and is not" because it has NO Populous, NO Geography, and NO Army​


I think you need four more "blind" guys.
Bobby Jo
 

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17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be ""caught up"" together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. After the great tribulation, we raptured "caught up" believers will return with Jesus to earth and Jesus will set up His kingdom and we will rule with Him. and you??
 
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