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  1. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    It is not "we are divided against ourselves" but "The manipulators have divided the people for their own selfish ends".

    The general populations of the Western world are behaving like sheep being led to the slaughter, instead of free citizens in free countries. Pretty soon freedom will become a thing of the past. And that is the power of PROPAGANDA and manipulation.

    Just like Germany was manipulated into believing that a Third Reich would be established through "savior" Hitler, the whole Western world is being manipulated into the New World Order by a handful of evil billionaires and their puppets. This is the first step toward the reign of the Antichrist.

    Getting back to (1) lock downs, (2) social distancing, (2) masks, and (4) bogus remedies and vaccines, all of this was a MAJOR HOAX perpetrated by the same evil people who blocked the public from access to the HCQ package, and indeed conducted a smear campaign against HCQ to attack it as worthless. These people have blood on their hands, since the majority of deaths could have been easily prevented. Instead *millions* of deaths were predicted so that when they actually ended up being hundreds of thousands, a collective sigh of relief went up. BUT EVERYTHING WAS BOGUS.

    Once fear and panic control a population, the next step is to look for a "savior". And those "saviors" are the same people who created the crises. How's that for manipulation?
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    There's a huge difference between a *conspiracy theory* (fantasy) and an actual conspiracy (fact). It is high time that you (and others like you) pulled their heads out of the sand, and did some serious research into what has been going on since December 2019 (and even long before then).

    There are presently several conspiracies in action, and all are designed for THREE major purposes (1) take down Trump (2) destroy America and the free world, (3) make Communism/Marxism the religion of the free world.
     
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    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    We are still told to obey the authorities as mentioned in the Bible.

    Anti-masking in Victoria at the moment is rebelling against the authorities, it is law to wear a mask at the moment in our state, and it is for the safety for ourselves and for the safety of others.

    Wearing a mask is a way which we can love one another, by looking after one another.
     
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    WORLD’S TOP EPIDEMIOLOGISTS: MASKS DON’T WORK!

    The top medical experts in the world can’t decide if masks are helpful in reducing the spread of COVID-19 or just make things worse

    Jon Miltimore | FEE.org - AUGUST 8, 2020

    PART I

    Denmark boasts one of the lowest COVID-19 death rates in the world. As of August 4, the Danes have suffered 616 COVID-19 deaths, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University. That’s less than one-third of the number of Danes who die from pneumonia or influenza in a given year. Despite this success, Danish leaders recently found themselves on the defensive. The reason is that Danes aren’t wearing face masks, and local authorities for the most part aren’t even recommending them.

    This prompted Berlingske, the country’s oldest newspaper, to complain that Danes had positioned themselves “to the right of Trump.” “The whole world is wearing face masks, even Donald Trump,” Berlingske pointed out. This apparently did not sit well with Danish health officials. They responded by noting there is little conclusive evidence that face masks are an effective way to limit the spread of respiratory viruses. “All these countries recommending face masks haven’t made their decisions based on new studies,” said Henning Bundgaard, chief physician at Denmark’s Rigshospitale, according to Bloomberg News. (Denmark has since updated its guidelines to encourage, but not require, the use of masks on public transit where social distancing may not be possible.)

    Denmark is not alone. Despite a global stampede of mask-wearing, data show that 80-90 percent of people in Finland and Holland say they “never” wear masks when they go out, a sharp contrast to the 80-90 percent of people in Spain and Italy who say they “always” wear masks when they go out. Dutch public health officials recently explained why they’re not recommending masks. “From a medical point of view, there is no evidence of a medical effect of wearing face masks, so we decided not to impose a national obligation,” said Medical Care Minister Tamara van Ark.

    Others, echoing statements similar to the US Surgeon General from early March, said masks could make individuals sicker and exacerbate the spread of the virus. “Face masks in public places are not necessary, based on all the current evidence,” saidCoen Berends, spokesman for the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment. “There is no benefit and there may even be negative impact.”

    In Sweden, where COVID-19 deaths have slowed to a crawl, public health officials say they see “no point” in requiring individuals to wear masks.
    “With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport,” said Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s top infectious disease expert.

    WHAT’S GOING ON WITH MASKS?
    The top immunologists and epidemiologists in the world can’t decide if masks are helpful in reducing the spread of COVID-19. Indeed, we’ve seen organizations like the World Health Organization and the CDC go back and forth in their recommendations.For the average person, it’s confusing and frustrating. It’s also a bit frightening, considering that we’ve seen people denounced in public for not wearing a mask while picking up a bag of groceries.

    The truth is masks have become the new wedge issue, the latest phase of the culture war. Mask opponents tend to see mask wearers as “fraidy cats” or virtue-signalling “sheeple” who willfully ignore basic science. Mask supporters, on the other hand, often see people who refuse to wear masks as selfish Trumpkins … who willfully ignore basic science. There’s not a lot of middle ground to be found and there’s no easy way to sit this one out. We all have to go outside, so at some we all are required to don the mask or not.
     
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    PART II

    It’s clear from the data that despite the impression of Americans as selfish rebel cowboys who won’t wear a mask to protect others, Americans are wearing masks far more than many people in European countries. Polls show Americans are wearing masks at record levels, though a political divide remains: 98 percent of Democrats report wearing masks in public compared to 66 percent of Republicans and 85 percent of Independents. (These numbers, no doubt, are to some extent the product of mask requirements in cities and states.)

    Whether one is pro-mask or anti-mask, the fact of the matter is that face coverings have become politicized to an unhealthy degree, which stands to only further pollute the science. Last month, for example, researchers at Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy responded to demands they remove an article that found mask requirements were “not based on sound data.” The school, to its credit, did not remove the article, but instead opted to address the objectionscritics of their research had raised.

    FIRST, DO NO HARM
    The ethics of medicine go back millennia. The Hippocratic Oath famously calls on medical practitioners to “first, do no harm.” (Those words didn’t actually appear in the original oath; they developed as a form of shorthand.)
    There is a similar principle in the realm of public health: the Principle of Effectiveness. Public health officials say the idea makes it clear that public health organizations have a responsibility to not harm the people they are assigned to protect.

    “If a community is at risk, the government may have a duty to recommend interventions, as long as those interventions will cause no harm, or are the least harmful option,” wrote Claire J. Horwell Professor of Geohealth at Durham University and Fiona McDonald, Co-Director of the Australian Centre for Health Law Research at Queensland University of Technology. “If an agency follows the principle of effectiveness, it will only recommend an intervention that they know to be effective.”

    The problem with mask mandates is that public health officials are not merely recommending a precaution that may or may not be effective. They are using force to make people submit to a state order that could ultimately make individuals or entire populations sicker, according to world-leading public health officials.That is not just a violation of the Effectiveness Principle. It’s a violation of a basic personal freedom.

    Mask advocates might mean well, but they overlook a basic reality: humans spontaneously alter behavior during pandemics. Scientific evidence shows that American workplaces and consumers changed the patterns of their travel before lockdown orders were issued.

    As I’ve previously noted, this should come as no surprise: Humans are intelligent, instinctive, and self-preserving mammals who generally seek to avoid high-risk behavior. The natural law of spontaneous order shows that people naturally take actions of self-protection by constantly analyzing risk.
    Instead of ordering people to “mask-up” under penalty of fines or jail time, scientists and public health officials should get back to playing their most important role: developing sound research on which people can freely make informed decisions.

    Europe's Top Health Officials Say Masks Aren't Helpful in Beating COVID-19 | Jon Miltimore
     
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    And in some States in America, the "Authorities" say you have to wear a mask, you cannot worship God in Churches or gather together in your own home for a Bible study. But, thankfully, the "Authorities" make sure you can buy marijuana and alcohol, Burn, Loot and Murder in the name of "protest" and get your abortion!
     
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    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    You still have the freedom to worship God at home.
     
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    I'm so glad that the Government gives you the right to do that... today. How generous!
     
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    And you have the freedom to do group Bible studies online. ;)
     
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    Do you think it may be time for the police to start using tear gas and rubber bullets on Republicans if they refuse to obey the law? Would suffocating a few with knees to their throats give them some respect for law and order?
     
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    That's hardly the point. When you are blatantly robbed of your freedom to worship -- as, and when, and where, and how you wish -- that means that America (or any country in the free world) is no longer the land of the free. The next step will be to ship all Christians to gulags or concentration camps. And don't say it can't or won't happen. Since you are willing to give up your freedoms that easily, you can expect it.
     
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    No. It is high time that all the top guns of the Democrats (including senile Biden, Obama, Rice, Clinton, etc) were arrested and charged with treason and sedition, and then locked up and the key thrown away. That would resolve numerous issues.
     
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    But... they will say... "But you can worship God in your heart while you are in the gulag!"
     
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    We have seen it many times. When the Left attacks perceived conservatives, the police just stand-down and watch. When two counter-protests occur and a melee starts, and the Left ends up losing... the police get involved.

    Do you actually believe that if it were Conservatives in Portland Burning, Looting and Murdering, that the Government would virtually stand down, and this would still be going on after 60 days? C'mon man! Are you a Junkie?
     
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    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    Do you really think it's that bad? This is a pandemic, it's not a robbery of freedoms to worship God.

    Here are the 50 most dangerous countries to follow Jesus in. USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, UK are not on that list. ;)

    World Watch List - Open Doors Australia
     
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    I believe we are half-way there! And yes! Democrats are using the pandemic to attack freedom of religion!

    Social media... if you criticize or tell the truth about the Bible and homosexuality on FakeBook, you could be banned. Simply giving a Biblical view has banned me for life.

    Twitter and Instagram and Google try to squelch Conservative points of view. Liberal Universities ban free speech, suggest dystopian "correct" non-triggering speech and calls everything else, to include truth to be "hate speech." Conservatives are mobbed by hateful and violent Leftists just for coming on campus. People are in fear of what they say at work because if the Corporation backs ANTIFA or BLM, then if you speak against their Soviet Style propaganda and Group Think, you will be fired! Leftists "DOX" people in hopes of ruining their lives because of what they believe that the Racist/Socialist/Muslim/Communist Left is wrong.

    The foundation has been laid. If Joe Biden and the Far Left take control of the Country, our Freedoms as stated in the Constitution will be erased. Fascist Leftism will place us all under their foot of their political slavery.

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    This is a pandemic HOAX. Big difference, especially when an effective preventative treatment is deliberately banned.
     
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    322 cases today in Victoria, daily case numbers going down, looks like masks are working, it takes a while to see the results from that though.
     
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    Nope, I disagree with you, but you can believe what you want to believe about it.
     
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