The point is Barn, that because we keep the first one, including the second one covers all 10, and even deeper to the core issue of iniquity. I certainly hope you are not against keeping those two. LOL I know you keep them, but your post is almost meaning you are scoffing at them. You're not are you? You're not choosing the Sabbath day over Jesus are you? See, that is ridiculous, but that's what is 'sounds' like.
You're right, Sis, it is ridiculous
. I'm afraid I don’t take all of the things you’re saying here for granted.
And I'm not aware that God has ever required me to choose between the Sabbath of the LORD and the LORD and Giver of the Sabbath. I'm not sure why you're making that a test of some kind (if that’s what you’re doing).
We might as well face the fact that as delightfully chummy as we are (and we are that), we hardly agree at all on the claims of God as regards the perpetuity of the law, in general, and the 4th commandment, in particular. You do realize that, don't you? I don't require anything doctrinally of you, personally, but I believe God requires certain things of all of us.
@BarnyFife
Can you see that to love your neighbor as yourself more than covers the moral law of the last 6 commandments? So if you keep that one, you CANNOT break the last six? So asking someone which one of those last 6 we can break is moot.
Well, if you love Jesus with all your heart, you are automatically keeping the first four, but not just once a week, but 24/7/365. So the same goes for the 4th. We keep the spiritual meaning of the Sabbath day by abiding in Jesus. The Spirit also goes deeper than the 4th letter of the law commandment. It is deeper, and is also kept 24/7/365
I do not see that to love my neighbor as myself more than covers the scope of the last 6 of the ten commandments. The 2 great commandments are a summary–not an expansion. They certainly entail more than the ten commandments itemize, but they are not in any way conclusive, even to those who have been changed by the contemplation of Calvary by the agency of the Spirit.
I do not at all believe that everyone who professes to love Jesus with all of their heart is automatically keeping the first 4 of the ten commandments—not in the slightest.
The Holy Ghost most often does not work independently of His Word. I have seen this first-hand. Most people in third-world countries do not automatically stop worshiping their idols, stealing, lying, fornicating, and abusing their own health immediately after even being deeply touched by the Spirit of God. It just doesn't usually work that way. We, in the western world, take for granted our privilege of civilized history.
I've never been anywhere where people do the awful, dreadful things of which we usually dare not even speak, after obviously being converted, but I'm well acquainted with folks who have seen these things, and they tell me very plainly that in nearly all cases, the Holy Ghost does not operate as a magic wand to instantly and thoroughly correct these behaviors.
And I don’t believe for one minute that the softening influence of The Comforter and its saving power is reserved only for those who reform their conduct overnight. Labor and delivery takes more time for some than others–even in the new birth.
The other 9 commandments, besides the 4th, were never intended to be kept only once a week, as far as I know, so they are not comparable in that respect.
And I do not, in any way, believe that abiding in Jesus satisfies the requirement of the 4th commandment, although I believe it is the primary focus of Hebrews 4.
Nor do I believe there are any scriptural grounds whatsoever for the transfer of the solemnity of the 7th day Sabbath to the first day of the week. And church fathers are not inspired in the same sense as the writers of Scripture. Their opinions and interpretations are only as good as their agreement with Scripture.
You want me to be honest, don't you?
I'm a card-carrying, died-in-the-wool, Seventh-day Adventist. I hold to the literal ten commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. I believe every word that we teach regarding the three angels' messages. And I believe that all of it comprises the Everlasting Gospel and Covenant.
I do not sympathize with the sentiments of anti-denominationalism that pervade Christianity today.
I’ve seen the evidence against all the things I believe and, with the exception of a few non-essentials, I am more convinced today than ever before that there is not a bit of truth to them.
Having said all of this, I most heartily believe that everyone has an inalienable right to determine, without any hindrance (except for that which would hinder others to do the same), what they believe and what they can express concerning what God requires of them. And I believe this every bit as much as I believe what I know God requires of me, myself.
In other words, it’s all good.
Agreement is highly overrated.