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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by GISMYS_7, Aug 4, 2017.

  1. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    Christ didn't return in that generation,2000 years ago,this you should know!
    Christ is the tree,not the branch.........
     
  2. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    Ecclesiastes 1:9 "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."

    Solomon, with the guidance of the Spirit of God, is telling you that those things that have happened before, will happen again. It is important that you understand this. There is no new idea or thing that can happen to man that has not already happened to man. Remember that "under the sun" in in reference to "this flesh body of man".

    This point helps us understand the Word of God, and the types that the prophets of old give us in their writings. Paul told us in I Corinthians 10:11; "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

    "Ends of the world", means the ends of this earth age, or dispensation where man lives in his flesh body. Paul told us that all those things that were written by the prophets of man's actions, and what happened to them when they either violated God's law, or kept God's law were examples to us, for there is no new thing that will happen to flesh man, that has not already happened to others in the past. We are to study God's Word, and by our understanding of His Word, we can have the peace of mind that comes with God's faithfulness to His Word.

    There is nothing new under the sun, even to the point of what happens at the end of this earth age, is a copy of what happened at the end of the first earth age. God has detailed out for us in His Word all events that will take place, right up to His second coming at the sounding of the seventh and final trumpet. He has name the signs, and given us examples even of the one world system that is coming upon us now, and will rule the minds of all mankind very shortly, all that is, except God's elect who know the truths, and will not be deceived.
     
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    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    Where you get two?Also,Christ rules from earth during the mil,the Day of God is after....
     
  4. Jay Ross

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    Luke 14:31-32 and Matthew 25:1-10.

    Now, where do you find that Christ rules from the earth during the Millennium Age?
     
  5. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    The below is the return of Christ

    Zechariah 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

    This is the Day of the Lord,and that Day is the millennium .

    Who do you think will be here during the millennium?
     
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    Really, that is your proof text that Jesus will being ruling on the earth from the beginning of the Millennium Age?

    This proof text is also associated with Ezekiel 38-39 which occurs during the little while period at the end of the Millennium Age.

    My sense is that you are groping for a text in the hope that it supports your statement. From my perspective, it does not.
     
  7. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    The verse I gave show's Christ 2nd coming,HERE on earth,show me one verse in ALL of scripture where Christ returns to Heaven after He returns?
     
  8. n2thelight

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    Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

    Do tell ,where does the above take place?
     
  9. Jay Ross

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    Toooooo easyyyyyy: - In heaven at the beginning of the Millennium Age.
     
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    ha ya, i have to agree that both sides seem to be stated, from a logical pov i guess. Christ is revealed, meaning that Christ is hidden, as we demonstrate in our guesses about the future.

    The debate exists only within the framework of religion, not saying that that is necessarily a bad thing, but in this case it does directly contravene give no thought for tomorrow anyway, that should be pretty obvious.

    But if your current guess denies "And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age" in any way, let me suggest that one at least keep an open mind.
     
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    All of these things cannot be reconciled with every other thing that has been written, as it is commonly understood. There is but one way that they can be reconciled, and I have told you that way. But the key is not in the timing, but in the timeless eternal truth of God.
    1. The everlasting Messianic Kingdom [was] established when Christ overcame the world. This does not contradict Daniel's prophecy, but it of [the] king of kings, not another.
    2. The kingdom of priests and the holy nation...has this not come to pass with Christ as our new high priest? Surely, it has. Which makes [this] the summer harvest season.
    3. Yes, we must change: He whom has entered into the spiritual glory of the Father must increase (in us), and we who remain must decrease by the renewing of our minds to the same glory.
     
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    Logically, if what has been written in the bible cannot be reconciled then the Bible is not true and is therefore not the word of God.


    However, I do not accept that as being true. Everything written in the bible can be reconciled as it is the word of God.

    Christ is not given dominion over the peoples of the earth until the dominions of the four beats of Daniel 7:1-12 has been stripped from them. This is still a near future event. It will happen during the time of those kings mentioned in Daniel 2:44


    Jer 31:31 is still a near future event when God makes like new again the Kingdom of priests and a Holy nation covenant with the nation of Israel when they are redeemed at the end of this present age.


    Scott, I am not sure that you have understood God’s plans for the harvest Summer Season.
     
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    ...I have a feelin' that nothing will be anything like people believe it will be.
    I think there will be some really disappointed people...
     
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    Christ is the branch that came out of Jesse.

    He returned "quickly" 2000 years ago just as He said He would, and He returns "quickly" "today" too. But you are not seeing Him "as He is." You are not alone.
     
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    That is what I just told you. The bible does reconcile with itself, just not with the common interpretation that you hold to.
    "All authority [has been] given to Me in heaven and on earth." "Has been" does not reconcile with your belief of what the "future" holds.
    That too cannot be reconciled with the rest of scripture. But, it can and is reconciled with: "I am the First and the Last", "the last shall be first, and the first last", and "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." Christ is the Last of the dead (Israel under the old covenant) and the First of the living (those born of the spirit of God).
    Of course, I can see that you are not.
     
  16. Jay Ross

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    Scott, both ideas must be held in tension with each other. Yes Christ did say, "All authority was given to Me in heaven and on earth." However, in Daniel 7:13-14, which will unfold in our near future, we have the following recorded: -
    Both are true. However, the Matthew 28:18 verse must be read in the context in which it is recorded.

    The Greek word translated as “was given” is first found used in this passage: -

    In both cases the same Greek word is found, “ἐδόθη”.

    In the Matthew 28:18 account, Jesus is recorded reassuring His disciples that He does have the authority of God to act and to commission them to go out to all of the world.

    Perhaps with my “common” perspective/understanding, it is natural for me to see this passage totally differently to your interpretation/understanding. It all depends on which facet we are looking through.
     
  17. n2thelight

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    Christ is the tree that was in the Garden...

    There are only TWO advent of Christ in all of scripture
     
  18. ScottA

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    Indeed, it does depend on what you are looking at. But there is no future someday in "today." Nor is there all the time in the world with God, but with men and with the world, which is evil...and we should seek God and His ways "first"...not after much reasoning.
     
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    Indeed, first the natural, then the spirit.

    These are the times foretold by Joel the prophet and confirmed by Jesus and by Peter, in which God pours out His spirit upon all flesh - this is the reign of Christ upon the earth, in these last days.
     
  20. Jay Ross

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    Scott, my position with respect to my relationship with to the God that I worship, is independent of my commentary on End Times understanding and God's prophetic words concerning this time.

    I agree with you that we have a window of opportunity to make a decision to believe in Him Whom He has Sent, and that window closes when we draw our last physical breath here on the face of the earth which can creep up on us unexpectedly and cut short our expected time here on the face of the earth.

    But it seems to me that you have a particular axe to grind and when people who come and present material concerning the end days, that you question their sanity an their salvation.
     
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