Why do alot of Christian denominations have a problem with looking into the Past for the return of Christ?

[ScottA]

It seems to me as though Jesus promised to come back within a generation which would witness the things he promised to foretell to his chosen disciples, however people decide to make Revelation for us today? Now please do not get me wrong, there are many things within the bible to investigate and to go through, the biggest problem mainly I suppose comes with if Jesus already came back now what? What is there left to do but for Yahava to decide if one will allow him to work in their life, all while having faith that Yeshua has indeed overcame all things which he promised he would end up taking care of, such as death, satan, the beast, the false prophet, hades, and of course sin once and for all on the cross. Some believe that this measure doesn't measure out to those who do not have faith - but Yahava has faith, therefore if Yahava has faith, and that what Jesus said was true all would be raised either to resurrection of life, or condemnation, he is unable to get that all with the heavenly kingdom being established and those who die from this life to that life, are resurrected and placed where they belong with God or without God.

Why do people have such a problem with this? Is due to their outlook on seeing all these things unfold in our generation today, when it was for a generation of a time that would be so great no other time would compare to what would come about when Yeshua would return and was seen by those of faith and taken and establishing the heavenly kingdom above?

Overall I believe by faith Jesus had came and taken his bride, - its just a subjective take compared to what most denominations preach today.

First to answer the title question-- It is because people expect to see what cannot be seen, against everything God has said to the contrary. Most expect Jesus to return in the flesh, even though He gave us the church His body--He no longer possesses it...except in us. Does that not mean He has and does still return in the flesh--but rather in ours (which is now His)?

As for those who have been wrong: "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

As for what is actually true... Every truth from God was before the foundation of the world. As for the world--this is not reality per se--this is a "creation", the words of a book written before the foundation of the world--not revealed on a timeline, but in a storyline, made manifest to every generation. "Generation"--what does it mean? Look up the root word: generate.

The dictionary says "generate" means: "cause (something, especially an emotion or situation) to arise or come about." In other words, to "make manifest." To make manifest what? Well--the scriptures tell us:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4​

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.​

The subject of the above passage is "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him." That is the subject of the OP question, is it not?

The answer then, regarding when it would occur, is after "the man of sin is revealed." But we have a problem. When the finger is pointed at us, we turn to see if there is someone standing behind us, then turn back and say, "Who me?" as if we didn't qualify to be called such a thing. And therein lies the problem...that's not a confession. Who then has actually repented if they deny the accusation and then point the finger at Satan?

We are that "man of sin", the sons and daughters of Satan via the offspring of the first Adam and of Eve.

Genesis 3:22​

Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—​

"There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

It seems to me as though Jesus promised to come back within a generation which would witness the things he promised to foretell to his chosen disciples, however people decide to make Revelation for us today? Now please do not get me wrong, there are many things within the bible to investigate and to go through, the biggest problem mainly I suppose comes with if Jesus already came back now what? What is there left to do but for Yahava to decide if one will allow him to work in their life, all while having faith that Yeshua has indeed overcame all things which he promised he would end up taking care of, such as death, satan, the beast, the false prophet, hades, and of course sin once and for all on the cross. Some believe that this measure doesn't measure out to those who do not have faith - but Yahava has faith, therefore if Yahava has faith, and that what Jesus said was true all would be raised either to resurrection of life, or condemnation, he is unable to get that all with the heavenly kingdom being established and those who die from this life to that life, are resurrected and placed where they belong with God or without God.

Why do people have such a problem with this? Is due to their outlook on seeing all these things unfold in our generation today, when it was for a generation of a time that would be so great no other time would compare to what would come about when Yeshua would return and was seen by those of faith and taken and establishing the heavenly kingdom above?

Overall I believe by faith Jesus had came and taken his bride, - its just a subjective take compared to what most denominations preach today.

Are you preterist or at least partial preterist?

 

[Taken]

Why do alot of Christian denominations have a problem with looking into the Past for the return of Christ?
Thread Title ^

First recognize the DIVISION among “Christians”….

Some ARE “Believers”…hoping for Salvation.
Some ARE “Believers ALREADY Saved”.

Some denominations…..teach, preach, BELIEVE and “ONLY” the HOPE…often coupled with…keep doing works…to the END of your physical LIFE (endure)….and you SHALL BE SAVED.

THAT “IS” True, (in part).
If a man BELIEVES to the day (end) of his own physical Life…He SHALL THEN be SAVED.
The “works” does not save the man, the “BELIEF” (in his heart/spirit), is what SHALL save that man.
ANY WORKS, to exalt God, Glorify Him, are Rewarded with crowns.

OTHER denominations teach, preach, SALVATION “NOW” has been offered to ALL men. VIA: the mans:
Repentence…
Heartful BELIEF
AND
Heartful CONFESSION of HIS BELIEF.

See the difference?
Believe and HOPE you continue BELIEVING.
Believe and CONFESS your BELIEF.

The problem and warning OF HOPE ONLY IS:
Men are weak…evil spirits roam searching for weak men….ALSO….a few men are power sitters, kings, presidents, governors, employers, etc., who have authority over the majority…..THEY as well can be Wicked/Evil…

When a man HAS governing powers OVER them, or Evil spirit around them…..WHAT is their INTENT, but to BY any means possible, propaganda, promises, threats,, lies, force….to draw the person AWAY from BELIEVING IN GOD…to Believing “IN” THEM,, doing as they promote, as they say,

A person ONLY in “HOPE”….is 24-7 subject to ANOTHER always lurking to Draw them AWAY from BELIEVING IN GOD.

A BELIEVING “and” having CONFESSED person….IS No longer “HOPING” to receive Salvation…..THEY ARE GIVEN their SALVATION RIGHT THEN….
AND WHOSE “power” is Keeps “evil spirits” and “wicked power sitting men”….from drawing them Away from Believing IN God?
“Gods POWER…IN that man”!
That IS the concept of (OSAS)…
Once a man “IS” saved, nothing what so ever is a greater POWER to threaten, trick, force, that man AWAY from Believing IN God.

And WHOSE power IS Greater than ALL other powers? God.

Any un-believing, believing man CAN LOSE his SALVATION….BY NOT TAKING IT…BY FAILING to endure to the end of His physical life…OR BY LYING to the Holy Spirit.

That is ONE great divide among men who profess to be “Christians”.

Other examples of Divisions Among Christians…ARE:

Man-made “RELIGIOUS” doctrines”….That are NOT according to Gods “Doctrine”…

Man-made “RELIGIOUS” rituals”….That are NOT according to Gods “rituals”.

Man-made “RELIGIOUS” traditions’….That are NOT according to Gods “traditions”.

Prophecy OF Christ the Lord Jesus’ Return, EXPRESSLY reveals “EVERY EYE SHALL SEE…
one LIKENED to the Son of Man Sitting on a WHITE Cloud…

WHO…one person, (let alone the whole world) has claimed to have SEEN THAT?

 

[MatthewG]

Are you preterist or at least partial preterist?

Im a person who see Jesus coming in the past as a promise to a generation (within a period of 40 years, after Jesus death, burial, and resurrection) which He said he would come back for. I believe he was seen by his faithful bride. They were taken and all things to come to frution to Revelation 1-20 as completed, 21, and 22 are set up with everything becoming new, at the start of 21. God is good.

Jesus never lied.
The aposltes never lied.

I believe that handed down tradition is what messes people up.

 

[MatthewG]

Why do alot of Christian denominations have a problem with looking into the Past for the return of Christ?
Thread Title ^

First recognize the DIVISION among “Christians”….

Some ARE “Believers”…hoping for Salvation.
Some ARE “Believers ALREADY Saved”.

Some denominations…..teach, preach, BELIEVE and “ONLY” the HOPE…often coupled with…keep doing works…to the END of your physical LIFE (endure)….and you SHALL BE SAVED.

THAT “IS” True, (in part).
If a man BELIEVES to the day (end) of his own physical Life…He SHALL THEN be SAVED.
The “works” does not save the man, the “BELIEF” (in his heart/spirit), is what SHALL save that man.
ANY WORKS, to exalt God, Glorify Him, are Rewarded with crowns.

OTHER denominations teach, preach, SALVATION “NOW” has been offered to ALL men. VIA: the mans:
Repentence…
Heartful BELIEF
AND
Heartful CONFESSION of HIS BELIEF.

See the difference?
Believe and HOPE you continue BELIEVING.
Believe and CONFESS your BELIEF.

The problem and warning OF HOPE ONLY IS:
Men are weak…evil spirits roam searching for weak men….ALSO….a few men are power sitters, kings, presidents, governors, employers, etc., who have authority over the majority…..THEY as well can be Wicked/Evil…

When a man HAS governing powers OVER them, or Evil spirit around them…..WHAT is their INTENT, but to BY any means possible, propaganda, promises, threats,, lies, force….to draw the person AWAY from BELIEVING IN GOD…to Believing “IN” THEM,, doing as they promote, as they say,

A person ONLY in “HOPE”….is 24-7 subject to ANOTHER always lurking to Draw them AWAY from BELIEVING IN GOD.

A BELIEVING “and” having CONFESSED person….IS No longer “HOPING” to receive Salvation…..THEY ARE GIVEN their SALVATION RIGHT THEN….
AND WHOSE “power” is Keeps “evil spirits” and “wicked power sitting men”….from drawing them Away from Believing IN God?
“Gods POWER…IN that man”!
That IS the concept of (OSAS)…
Once a man “IS” saved, nothing what so ever is a greater POWER to threaten, trick, force, that man AWAY from Believing IN God.

And WHOSE power IS Greater than ALL other powers? God.

Any un-believing, believing man CAN LOSE his SALVATION….BY NOT TAKING IT…BY FAILING to endure to the end of His physical life…OR BY LYING to the Holy Spirit.

That is ONE great divide among men who profess to be “Christians”.

Other examples of Divisions Among Christians…ARE:

Man-made “RELIGIOUS” doctrines”….That are NOT according to Gods “Doctrine”…

Man-made “RELIGIOUS” rituals”….That are NOT according to Gods “rituals”.

Man-made “RELIGIOUS” traditions’….That are NOT according to Gods “traditions”.

Prophecy OF Christ the Lord Jesus’ Return, EXPRESSLY reveals “EVERY EYE SHALL SEE…
one LIKENED to the Son of Man Sitting on a WHITE Cloud…

WHO…one person, (let alone the whole world) has claimed to have SEEN THAT?

Dont need to see if you believe and have faith Jesus came to do what he said he would. Dont seem like an issue to me.

 

[MatthewG]

First to answer the title question-- It is because people expect to see what cannot be seen, against everything God has said to the contrary. Most expect Jesus to return in the flesh, even though He gave us the church His body--He no longer possesses it...except in us. Does that not mean He has and does still return in the flesh--but rather in ours (which is now His)?

As for those who have been wrong: "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

As for what is actually true... Every truth from God was before the foundation of the world. As for the world--this is not reality per se--this is a "creation", the words of a book written before the foundation of the world--not revealed on a timeline, but in a storyline, made manifest to every generation. "Generation"--what does it mean? Look up the root word: generate.

The dictionary says "generate" means: "cause (something, especially an emotion or situation) to arise or come about." In other words, to "make manifest." To make manifest what? Well--the scriptures tell us:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4​

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.​

The subject of the above passage is "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him." That is the subject of the OP question, is it not?

The answer then, regarding when it would occur, is after "the man of sin is revealed." But we have a problem. When the finger is pointed at us, we turn to see if there is someone standing behind us, then turn back and say, "Who me?" as if we didn't qualify to be called such a thing. And therein lies the problem...that's not a confession. Who then has actually repented if they deny the accusation and then point the finger at Satan?

We are that "man of sin", the sons and daughters of Satan via the offspring of the first Adam and of Eve.

Genesis 3:22​

Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—​

"There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

I personally have faith he was seen just as was to be seen when he was leaving, when he came and pickup his bride and the wrath of God plundered down, Jerusalem.

 

[ChristisGod]

The #1 reason Premillennials think Jesus hasn't physically returned and removed sin and evil from the world is because it is still present and spreading.

His plan when He returns is JUDGMENT: RID THE WORLD OF SIN AND EVIL AND ALL WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIM.

We see a Paradise reborn in the near future with peace on earth _ a world with only Christians worshipping and dwelling with and visiting Jesus (up close and personal), a world where animals are at peace and in harmony, wolves with sheep, lions eating grass, babies able to put their hand in a vipers den.
Does the world look like that to you?

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. ISAIAH 11:6-9

Did you get that? This is a snapshot of the Millennial Kingdom. The earth is NOT filled with the knowledge of the LORD yet, but soon it will be. He will destroy all false religions, philosophies that currently oppose Him. Capisce?

ditto

 

[ScottA]

I personally have faith he was seen just as was to be seen when he was leaving, when he came and pickup his bride and the wrath of God plundered down, Jerusalem.

You do not believe that we the church are the bride of Christ, as the scriptures say?

Ephesians 5:22-33​

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.​

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. 31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.​

 

[Taken]

Dont need to see if you believe and have faith Jesus came to do what he said he would. Dont seem like an issue to me.

You did not respond to the response at the end of my post that expressly addressed your thread title.
Have you seen one likened to the Son of God sitting on a white cloud?

 

[MatthewG]

You do not believe that we the church are the bride of Christ, as the scriptures say?

Ephesians 5:22-33​

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.​

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. 31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.​

That wasnt for us. No. They were the bride that Jesus was coming to get. Many people do not give the bride of Christ a lot of merit. They tend to overlook them.

Still people become co-heirs with Christ, Child, Son, Daughter of God by adoption, and are now part of a family of believers in the kingdom and family of believers who are still here on earth.

Its not good to get it all mixed and twisted, and try to tell me a generation of 40 years for today, I find it insulting to the first bride of Christ. I believe there will be no more returning of Christ except at your death when you meet him.

 

[MatthewG]

You did not respond to the response at the end of my post that expressly addressed your thread title.
Have you seen one likened to the Son of God sitting on a white cloud?

Yes. Through scripture. Those people then seen him. You understand what Faith is right Taken? The context is surrounding a generation which would become Jesuss bride. To make that for us today is foolishness in my opinion.

There still is coheir with Christ, becoming a son or daughter of God through adoption, having relationship with them.

 

[Naomanos]

Don't pretend and play dumb. Yes you do, you are just avoiding the question. It's very simple: Do you agree with these scriptures, that God calls us to pull our own weight and work for our keep and those who refuse to work and support their families are worse than unbelievers?
"For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. 2 Thes. 3:10-11

But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
1 Tim. 5:8


Yes or no?

I'm curious to get your thoughts about two situations I was in.

When my ex-wife and I were together I didn't work much as she was disabled with multiple sclerosis. She would have flair-ups that meant someone had to be home with her to help during the day. I stayed home to do this. It wasn't until the last couple of years out of 6 that I had two jobs where I could work on my own schedule. One was I did pet sitting and the other was for a company taking pictures of cars that had been in an accident.

The other situation was with an ex-girlfriend. Her and I were together and had five kids. She never wanted to be married and I had walked away from God when I walked away from the Catholic church for more than those ten years. We ended up moving to Upstate, NY from NJ where I was working as an EMT. When we got there, I ended up being a stay-at-home dad. Reason being I was only gonna be paid $7.12 an hour before union dues and she would make a few more dollars per hour than I did. We had one car and mass transit where we lived was pretty much non-existant. So, I stayed home and took care of the kids.

What are your thoughts? Should I have been able to eat even though I wasn't providing for my family? Could I have been providing for my family by actually taking care of them by being home?

I really am curious as to what you will say.

 

[ScottA]

That wasnt for us. No. They were the bride that Jesus was coming to get. Many people do not give the bride of Christ a lot of merit. They tend to overlook them.

Still people become co-heirs with Christ, Child, Son, Daughter of God by adoption, and are now part of a family of believers in the kingdom and family of believers who are still here on earth.

Its not good to get it all mixed and twisted, and try to tell me a generation of 40 years for today, I find it insulting to the first bride of Christ. I believe there will be no more returning of Christ except at your death when you meet him.

That's not biblical.

The scriptures overall indicate that there is only One begotten Son of God who is One with God, and no one is saved except "in Him" as His body, which is to say, as His bride (one flesh). Thus, of all who are born of women, eternal life only belongs to the Son and His bride as the two are One.

So, no, all other relations are not even a part of salvation by those relations alone, but only the bride, for she alone becomes one flesh with Christ the only begotten.

 

[MatthewG]

That's not biblical.

The scriptures overall indicate that there is only One begotten Son of God who is One with God, and no one is saved except "in Him" as His body, which is to say, as His bride (one flesh). Thus, of all who are born of women, eternal life only belongs to the Son and His bride as the two are One.

So, no, all other relations are not even a part of salvation by those relations alone, but only the bride, for she alone becomes one flesh with Christ the only begotten.

If you say so.

Generation = 40 years.

You can share what you like i tend to take replies with a grain of salt.

I guess those people in Ephesus dont matter. The Apostles were in chrage of governing the bride of christ or “church” as you shared. The people where prepared to be ready, @ScottA.

Many people disregard them, as you yourself have done.


Everyone tried to make it out for us today. I dont agree.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I'm curious to get your thoughts about two situations I was in.

When my ex-wife and I were together I didn't work much as she was disabled with multiple sclerosis. She would have flair-ups that meant someone had to be home with her to help during the day. I stayed home to do this. It wasn't until the last couple of years out of 6 that I had two jobs where I could work on my own schedule. One was I did pet sitting and the other was for a company taking pictures of cars that had been in an accident.

The other situation was with an ex-girlfriend. Her and I were together and had five kids. She never wanted to be married and I had walked away from God when I walked away from the Catholic church for more than those ten years. We ended up moving to Upstate, NY from NJ where I was working as an EMT. When we got there, I ended up being a stay-at-home dad. Reason being I was only gonna be paid $7.12 an hour before union dues and she would make a few more dollars per hour than I did. We had one car and mass transit where we lived was pretty much non-existant. So, I stayed home and took care of the kids.

What are your thoughts? Should I have been able to eat even though I wasn't providing for my family? Could I have been providing for my family by actually taking care of them by being home?

I really am curious as to what you will say.

I will simply ask when you wife was sick and you had to stay at home how did you eat.

When you were taking care of your children and your girlfriend was working, did she supply food for the family?

Or were you on welfare?

 

[Naomanos]

I will simply ask when you wife was sick and you had to stay at home how did you eat.

With my ex-wife we had food stamps. She qualified as a disabled person for food stamps. Once we had our two kids, the amount went up for food stamps.

When you were taking care of your children and your girlfriend was working, did she supply food for the family?

She did, yes. We only had Medicaid for medical as her job didn't provide it.

 

[ScottA]

If you say so.

Generation = 40 years.

You can share what you like i tend to take replies with a grain of salt.

I guess those people in Ephesus dont matter. The Apostles were in chrage of governing the bride of christ or “church” as you shared. The people where prepared to be ready, @ScottA.

Many people disregard them, as you yourself have done.


Everyone tried to make it out for us today. I dont agree.

You are missing the forest for the trees. Looking at the detail, you are missing the greater scope of things.

To simplify, take it back to just the one man Adam, and just the one Last Adam who is Christ Jesus. By the sins of the one all are condemned. Likewise by the righteousness of the One all who are "in Christ" are saved. Saved in the One, as they are made One in marriage.

Paul defines all who are "in Christ" (all who are saved) as, "those who have fallen asleep" ("the dead in Christ") and "those who are Christ’s at His coming" upon which they are made alive by being born again of the spirit of God. Which he then stipulated to say also, "but each one in his own order."

But to clarify who makes up the bride of Christ--biblically, these are the terms: "A man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife, and the two shall become one flesh"--meaning "all who are in Christ", both "the living and the dead", both "the house of Israel" for which He first came, and also those of that "other fold" of the gentiles which He "must also bring." All of which only make up one bride and One Groom for all time and eternity.

 

[MatthewG]

You are missing the forest for the trees. Looking at the detail, you are missing the greater scope of things.

To simplify, take it back to just the one man Adam, and just the one Last Adam who is Christ Jesus. By the sins of the one all are condemned. Likewise by the righteousness of the One all who are "in Christ" are saved. Saved in the One, as they are made One in marriage.

Paul defines all who are "in Christ" (all who are saved) as, "those who have fallen asleep" ("the dead in Christ") and "those who are Christ’s at His coming" upon which they are made alive by being born again of the spirit of God. Which he then stipulated to say also, "but each one in his own order."

But to clarify who makes up the bride of Christ--biblically, these are the terms: "A man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife, and the two shall become one flesh"--meaning "all who are in Christ", both "the living and the dead", both "the house of Israel" for which He first came, and also those of that "other fold" of the gentiles which He "must also bring." All of which only make up one bride and One Groom for all time and eternity.

How am I missing the greater scope of things, looking at Jesus and his Victory.

Perhaps some gentiles were taken with the Lord Jesus.

After all, who is gonna see him expect thise who believe, ScottA?

I believe that Jesus came back during the festive holidays where all the twleve tribes gathered at the temple, include gentiles, they were allowed in the outercourt.

You skipped out on those people again, its okay if you dont see them as viable faithful believers, which Jesus spoke of within the generation, he foretold to his disiciples.

Mark 13
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”


While you may believe or see some type of Gap or something because the Jews come first, I dont see any problem with Yeshua having come back to get his bride….

Will you address this post or will you tell me there is something still missing?

 

[ScottA]

How am I missing the greater scope of things, looking at Jesus and his Victory.

Perhaps some gentiles were taken with the Lord Jesus.

After all, who is gonna see him expect thise who believe, ScottA?

I believe that Jesus came back during the festive holidays where all the twleve tribes gathered at the temple, include gentiles, they were allowed in the outercourt.

You skipped out on those people again, its okay if you dont see them as viable faithful believers, which Jesus spoke of within the generation, he foretold to his disiciples.

Mark 13
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?”


While you may believe or see some type of Gap or something because the Jews come first, I dont see any problem with Yeshua having come back to get his bride….

Will you address this post or will you tell me there is something still missing?

You are looking at just the one enactment of 70ad, as being the time of Christ coming for His bride, which you say only includes some of the saved...or something like that.

As for those who believe...many in Israel and even before Israel believed in the salvation of God according to His promise, which was before salvation came. And afterward, there are many also even to the end, even the eleventh hour. All of who are "in Christ" as those to who He came to save. By definition, the marriage of One Christ must be of One bride including all who would be saved.

As for that generation, yes, it was all "finished" then. But all that occurred was not limited to that generation living at the time, as it included all of the living, including all in Abraham, as the scriptures tell us. Which then is made comparison of referring looking forward to the church and all that are included as long as today is called today...as there is but one sacrifice for all. Not just one generation, but all.

As for a "gap", I believe in nothing of the sort. But no, just as we "were" crucified with Christ (and Him slain even "before the foundation of the world"); and just as He came to fulfill the promises from God to those who came before, all "were" included in Christ for every act of redemption from the beginning to the end--whether made manifest preactively or retroactively.

 

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You are looking at just the one enactment of 70ad, as being the time of Christ coming for His bride, which you say only includes some of the saved...or something like that.

He did come, for his bride.

As for those who believe...many in Israel and even before Israel believed in the salvation of God according to His promise, which was before salvation came.

Everyone was in hell, and hell gave up its dead. I believe those who died before Yeshua came back become part of the kingdom of heaven and reigned with Christ until the fulness of time was over.

And afterward, there are many also even to the end, even the eleventh hour. All of who are "in Christ" as those to who He came to save.

Okay? People who are in Christ experience salvation today, by and through the spirit. Have I said that has stopped? When it came to those who believers in that day in age, in order to be saved from Gods wrath was to follow Yeshua… because the wrath was coming down upon Israel.

By definition, the marriage of One Christ must be of One bride including all who would be saved.

I told you before… once again, people become part of the heavenly kingdom being adopted by God through faith and are spiritually born new in Christ.

People can become co-heir with Christ and also become a son or daughter of God. There is a family of believers in heaven and on earth who are of faith.

The Bride was governed by Apostles. There are no aposltes today.

I dont see what the issue is. If you see yourself as the bride of christ or church, great. I dont see a reason to believe Jesus is coming back expect by and through death…

Everyone is gonna go meet Jesus one day.

As for that generation, yes, it was all "finished" then.

Okay.

But all that occurred was not limited to that generation living at the time, as it included all of the living, including all in Abraham, as the scriptures tell us.

Hell gave up its dead, and all the souls in it where judged. Paradise, and prison part.

Which then is made comparison of referring looking forward to the church and all that are included as long as today is called today...as there is but one sacrifice for all. Not just one generation, but all.

Have I said anything about anyone not being able to become part with Christ because he already came and got his bride?

As for a "gap", I believe in nothing of the sort.

Oh okay.

But no, just as we "were" crucified with Christ (and Him slain even "before the foundation of the world"); and just as He came to fulfill the promises from God to those who came before, all "were" included in Christ for every act of redemption from the beginning to the end--whether made manifest preactively or retroactively.

Never said anything about it Scott.