Thanks. Me knowing what faith is, was not part of the dialogue. We are not on the same page.
Why do alot of Christian denominations have a problem with looking into the Past for the return of Christ?
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Thanks. Me knowing what faith is, was not part of the dialogue. We are not on the same page.
ScottA
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What you have presented seems thrown together, and with your added conjecture. I mean really, what marriage includes "co-heirs", "sons, "daughters" and "family?" That's a salad.
Even so, we are not so far off in what we have said. Indeed, He has come, and does come spiritually, as He gave away His flesh to the church. It's just that trying to present God's truth in worldly terms only ends in error, because the terms of God are not the terms of this world. It makes for a dim view presented dimly. It's a square peg in a round hole. Better the renewing of the mind to present God's truth according to His terms...which He has presented on a sort of timeline, except that what He has presented does not actually exist on that same timeline, but rather with Him whose terms are "the same yesterday, today, and forever."
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Keiw
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God only accepts worship in spirit and truth(John 4:22-24)--And since truth is abundant now here in these last days( Dan 12:4) there won't be any excuse for not knowing Gods truth. Jesus said-Man must live by EVERY utterance, so it does concern you.
Being in the family of Christ.
Romans 8:17 says, “Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory”
Romans 8:
because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."
Its in the bible Scott.
Jesus did return for his bride, bodily and those beliving seem him by faith. People become spiritually born in Christ when they begin to trust and have faith in God.
All one has is the bible to refer to. Surely those who see what you and me have said would assuredly go challenge their own beliefs by going to the bible to reference and may whay we say be by the spirit, and not of ourself.
Happens all the time. Many people charade that bible around and make grave errors to some aspect or another, myself included.
By the spirit hopefully! Not the flesh.
Death can come tomorrow, its good to be thankful and look to the one gives us life.
Okay.
Good. The only last day that ill know personally being aware or unaware is simply death to me.
OK.
All body’s must and shall die.
But that is not the “end” of all life pertaining to mankind.
Ronald David Bruno
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A man doesn't usually feel proud or have a sense of dignity unless he is working, being productive, supporting himself and his family. He won't get any awards or pats on the back from family and friends for playing Mr. Mom. And he will make up all sorts of excuses why, but the bottom line was he didn't have a plan, he wasn't prepared to be a provider for his family. I am no judge ... and your life is on you. How your family feels about you as a Dad and a husband is what's important.
You had lots of kids. I always said, "If you can't be a good parent, then it really doesn't matter what you accomplish in life, even if you made millions.
Robin Williams committed suicide! We thought he had it all, Mr. Comedian. He was asked one question in an interview, "Robin, if you could go back and do anything differently in your life, what would you do?" Without hesitation, he said, "I would have spent more time with my kids." He evidently felt guilt. He chose to work, seek success and fame instead. Of course he financially supported them, but he wasn't there to watch them grow up. They missed him and he missed out on what was really important.
At least you were there and spent lots of time, hopefully teaching them, helping them with their school work, playing with them, doing activities together. Daycare is expensive and so if your wife was the bread winner, someone had to stay home.
You were responsible in many ways at various times, flexible, but worked. You weren't one of these boys that doesn't want to grow up, who depends on his parents for a free living and does nothing to contribute , but goofs off all day playing games on the internet or pretends to actually accomplish something.
I left home when I was 20 and was on my own supporting myself. Fifty years ago, boys would get the boot after high school or at the latest, college. They had to become men, face life and get a life. That was my point. GOD expects us to work and not be lazy.
Keiw
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Gods kingdom isn't very far off--Babylon the great( worldwide false religions) falls, triggers the tribulation, then Armageddon. I truly believe this Israel-Hamas war will trigger the fall of Babylon the great.
Hello Keiw,
This is something you reminded me of and I was thinking about earlier.
God has the ability to deliver from the power of darkness, and bring a person into the Kingdom of his son.
“For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation: for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also the head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.”
Colossians 1:13-20 NASB2020
Colossians 1:13-20 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firs | New American Standard Bible
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firs
bible.com
ScottA
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There are many things leading up to and included in the marriage of the bride and Groom. But you are adding to the confusion. The subject of the thread being the return and timing of Christ, is simpler than that. It is rather the individual union of marriage experience under the collective or general heading of "bride" as one..."but each one in his own order."
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Thank you for sharing your viewpoint on the subject, Scotta with me. Its a bit different than my understanding. May the spirit guide.
Keiw
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Its not me in the darkness---See the words-through him? That means another did it. His God and Father.Hello Keiw,
This is something you reminded me of and I was thinking about earlier.
God has the ability to deliver from the power of darkness, and bring a person into the Kingdom of his son.
“For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation: for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also the head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.”
Colossians 1:13-20 NASB2020
Colossians 1:13-20 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firs | New American Standard Bible
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firsbible.com
Firstborn of all creation= only begotten son= created direct-first and last, all other things created through him.
The bible is interesting. It is amazing of what Yahava is capable of doing even transferring those who are overcome by the dominion of darkness into freedom and liberty by the spirit within the Kingdom of Christ. Praise God for calling out to all.
@ScottA
“I was made a minister of this church according to the commission from God granted to me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, that is, the mystery which had been hidden from the past ages and generations, but now has been revealed to His saints,”
Colossians 1:25-26 NASB2020
I found this, and I believe this reference to the apostolic church at the time which was to become the bride of Christ whom heard him, and also those who got to partake the Gentiles. Paul, along with the other living apostles, and also others mentioned within some of the context of the letters, there were several people Paul wrote concerning them both from men and women. This was the church which hell would not previal against, spoken to Peter through Jesus. (Perhaps I could be wrong).
The important things to note for me, is that if anyone comes claiming they are the true church or something like that, in my opinion it is not true. While I believe the church, bride of Christ has been taken, and do not believe there is only one true church, that would mean fellowshiping at one congergation or another is all fine and good. People should if they are able to explore and see if there is a church that is able to fit their needs, and sometimes at church you just up listening to little or no bible. Its not good in my opinion, however they have the right and freedom to choose where they would like to attend.
With the first-fruit bride of Christ one could call it, there would be more fruit that would come down the line, therefore “one in their own order”, learning and growing and becoming more like Christ by abiding him, through faith and willingness to do so.
Thank you for taking time to read and sharing with me
“I was made a minister of this church according to the commission from God granted to me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, that is, the mystery which had been hidden from the past ages and generations, but now has been revealed to His saints,”
Colossians 1:25-26 NASB2020
Colossians 1:25-26 I was made a minister of this church according to the commission from God granted to me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, that is, the mystery which h | New American Standard Bible
I was made a minister of this church according to the commission from God granted to me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, that is, the mystery which h
bible.com
I found this, and I believe this reference to the apostolic church at the time which was to become the bride of Christ whom heard him, and also those who got to partake the Gentiles. Paul, along with the other living apostles, and also others mentioned within some of the context of the letters, there were several people Paul wrote concerning them both from men and women. This was the church which hell would not previal against, spoken to Peter through Jesus. (Perhaps I could be wrong).
The important things to note for me, is that if anyone comes claiming they are the true church or something like that, in my opinion it is not true. While I believe the church, bride of Christ has been taken, and do not believe there is only one true church, that would mean fellowshiping at one congergation or another is all fine and good. People should if they are able to explore and see if there is a church that is able to fit their needs, and sometimes at church you just up listening to little or no bible. Its not good in my opinion, however they have the right and freedom to choose where they would like to attend.
With the first-fruit bride of Christ one could call it, there would be more fruit that would come down the line, therefore “one in their own order”, learning and growing and becoming more like Christ by abiding him, through faith and willingness to do so.
Thank you for taking time to read and sharing with me
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ScottA
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Thank you as well!
I will say however, that the mystery of marriage that was from the beginning then elaborated upon by Paul, likens the marriage of one man and one women, as "all in Adam" and "all in Christ"; Christ being the Groom and the church as the bride, with both men and women being the likeness of women. That would limit the bride to the church during the church age at the very least, except that the rest of scripture tells us, although expressed elsewhere in plural as "sons" and "fruits" and even as "the sand that is on the seashore", that only One is begotten of God, while all others who have received the promise of salvation before and after His coming, are "in Him" in the resurrection; which then again aligns with the marriage of one man and one woman and the two becoming one; all of which folds again into Christ in God what was unfolded out from Adam, ending with "At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you."
He has already came, is that not go enough for you.
What do you think Jesus will do in the second coming ? change what he said in the first at all ?
If one does not pick up on what Jesus was on about in the first, what hope has such a one have in the second ?
One must be lost now if you have not picked up on the first ?
What are you seeking ? something that you have problems with swallowing with what was said in the first ?
Such a one is only of little faith ?
But what of them who have the faith that can move mountains ? what do they need ? Nothing ! because they have it all and some people got to endure in that faith 2000 years ago and to this day ?
If one is seeking Jesus you are not truly found !
It's Jesus who finds you in fact ! you do not find him.
In the second coming no one has the free will to play along with this world ? That Jesus informed us that it was Full of Deceptions and Delusions ! So at the second coming, if you think you wish for such be careful ! because what you want or seek for is Satan comes first in fact, that is the Hellfire ! then everything is burnt up and nothing is left of this world for anyone to be under Delusions or deceptions, for they are all burnt up ! And not to mention who caused all the Hellfire ? it was you ! for rejecting Christ Jesus in fact ! Not putting Christ Jesus first and foremost in your life ! and if one is not willing to do that you are not Saved in fact, for if one was ? Christ Jesus would be in you and you in him period ! and what does that mean for a person who may live to the second coming ? Nothing regarding ones self at all in fact and what is that, well because once one is truly saved you are always Saved period ! regardless, so at the point that Jesus comes back ? is such a one going to be changed ? born again twice
. No !So why seek the second coming ? it's only because one is not truly Saved in fact !
There is an antidote for the Hellfire that is to come, Preach Christ Jesus to all and you will not have to go through the Hellfire or others will not have to go through the Hellfire.
Would a Real Christen want your loved ones to go through the Hell fire, or anyone in such a regard.
Well Bible clearly points out that we reap what we sow !
The BS that Satanist claim, that you will be raptured up ? so that you will not suffer ? is a delusion and a deception in fact ! so you will sit back and let such take place or hell to bring such Hellfire on, they who do not the will of Christ Jesus will be condemned in fact ! you can not do wrong in order to do what you think is right. Satanist only do such !
And He will again.
1 Thessalonians 4
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
ScottA,
I do not find marriage that much of a mystery, as it is founded in the beginning of the Bible. The mystery of that day, was the fact that God had the plan of including the gentiles into the fold, by Yeshua.
Colossians 1:26-27 - See here in the writing from Paul to the people who lived in Colossae.
New American Standard Bible 1995
26 that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His [a]saints, 27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
ScottA
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Indeed, the two "mysteries" are related, even combined in the words, "Christ in you, the hope of glory"...which is the marriage of Christ with the saved/elect as One in glory.
Praise God for those whom allow his spirit to indwell within faithful Godfearing believers.
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