Why do our bodies die? Note: I have an answer, but feedback is welcome by Bible Alone Believers.

[Bible Highlighter]

Why do our bodies die?

Answer:

The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23).
Do we have to keep continually sinning in order to die?
No. Adam and Eve just committed sin one time each and death came upon them and the whole human race.

Romans 5:12 says,
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

But is this always the case? No.

Enoch did not die because he pleased God.

Hebrews 11:5
“By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”

Also, those who are taken up in the Rapture while they are still alive will also not see death.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

Obviously those who are faithful and who please God are the ones who will not see death.
If a person sins or they justify sin: Are they pleasing God and are they being faithful?

I don’t believe so based on the testimony of God’s Word.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@post

I believe I answered your question before with Scripture (in the other thread), but I started this thread to hopefully explain things a little more here (and so as not to derail that other thread).

 

[ewq1938]

Why do our bodies die?

Because they are created mortal. All living things in this world are mortal and will eventually die because that is the natural order of things. Sin has nothing to do with this.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Because they are created mortal. All living things in this world are mortal and will eventually die because that is the natural order of things. Sin has nothing to do with this.

Yes, mankind was created mortal even in the beginning. But if Adam did not eat of the wrong tree (i.e. sinned - i.e. the wages of sin is death), then Adam and Eve would have eaten of the good tree and they would have lived eternally if they did that. It’s why they were prevented from eating of the good tree. God did not want them to live immortal in a sinful body. We do see Enoch pleased God and he did not see death. The wages of sin is death. But Enoch pleased God and did not see death. While Scripture does not specifically say how he pleased God, we can gather from looking at the rest of Scripture that Enoch most likely pleased God by his faith and in living righteously unlike other men.

 

[Enoch111]

Because they are created mortal. All living things in this world are mortal and will eventually die because that is the natural order of things. Sin has nothing to do with this.

That last sentence should have been "Sin has everything to do with this". What you call "the natural order" is what is seen AFTER the Fall of mankind and the curse that came upon creation. And it goes back to sin (disobedience to God). The sin of Adam and Eve.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

That last sentence should have been "Sin has everything to do with this". What you call "the natural order" is what is seen AFTER the Fall of mankind and the curse that came upon creation. And it goes back to sin (disobedience to God). The sin of Adam and Eve.

That's not correct.
Adam and Eve were not immortal before the fall.

Which is why we read God evicting them from the garden so they would not be able to eat of the fruit of the tree of eternal life.

 

[ewq1938]

That last sentence should have been "Sin has everything to do with this".

That would be wrong. Sin doesn't cause anything to die. God created all life on this world as mortals who are meant to age and die. The death related to sin is the second death, but not the first, natural death.

 

[Enoch111]

Adam and Eve were not immortal before the fall.

What gives you the basis for making such a claim, particularly when we know for a fact that God made it clear that sin would bring death? The opposite of that would be that they would go on living, and possibly be asked to partake of the Tree of Life.

 

[ewq1938]

The opposite of that would be that they would go on living

They DID go on living! Clearly the death they died the day they sinned was NOT the physical death of the body which proves the death their sin caused was a DIFFERENT type of death.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Why do our bodies die?

Answer:

The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23).
Do we have to keep continually sinning in order to die?
No. Adam and Eve just committed sin one time each and death came upon them and the whole human race.

Romans 5:12 says,
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

But is this always the case? No.

Enoch did not die because he pleased God.

Hebrews 11:5
“By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”

Also, those who are taken up in the Rapture while they are still alive will also not see death.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

Obviously those who are faithful and who please God are the ones who will not see death.
If a person sins or they justify sin: Are they pleasing God and are they being faithful?

I don’t believe so based on the testimony of God’s Word.

@post

I believe I answered your question before with Scripture (in the other thread), but I started this thread to hopefully explain things a little more here (and so as not to derail that other thread).

Yes sir you are correct it is because of sin. Interestingly we are quite young. Opinions vary, but I think it is safe to say that every single one of us is less than 20 yrs old. Most of our cells are less than a year old. So it isn't even logical that we die, since we are virtually infants. At some point our cells stop replicating and we grow older and eventually they stop altogether and we die. The Bible as you correctly pointed out gives us the reason, but knowing this also gives us the real hope that the Bible promises as well, and that is everlasting life. Those of us that believes the testimony of God's word, do not find that promise to be false hope.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes sir you are correct it is because of sin. Interestingly we are quite young. Opinions vary, but I think it is safe to say that every single one of us is less than 20 yrs old. Most of our cells are less than a year old. So it isn't even logical that we die, since we are virtually infants. At some point our cells stop replicating and we grow older and eventually they stop altogether and we die. The Bible as you correctly pointed out gives us the reason, but knowing this also gives us the real hope that the Bible promises as well, and that is everlasting life. Those of us that believes the testimony of God's word, do not find that promise to be false hope.

Notice the thread title. It says Bible Alone Christians are welcome to give feedback. You are a JW, and not a Bible Alone Christian. So your feedback here is not welcome. Please stop posting in my threads.

Thank you.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That would be wrong. Sin doesn't cause anything to die. God created all life on this world as mortals who are meant to age and die. The death related to sin is the second death, but not the first, natural death.

Again, Adam and Eve would not have died if they obeyed God and ate of the good tree. Refusing the bad tree, and eating of the good tree would have gave them immortality. But seeing they disobeyed God… then death was the result or fate for their life instead of immortality. Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death. We are dying today because of Adam’s wrong choice. For in Adam, all die as Scripture says.

 

[Davy]

Why do our bodies die?

Answer:

The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23).
Do we have to keep continually sinning in order to die?
No. Adam and Eve just committed sin one time each and death came upon them and the whole human race.

Romans 5:12 says,
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

But is this always the case? No.

Enoch did not die because he pleased God.

Hebrews 11:5
“By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”

Also, those who are taken up in the Rapture while they are still alive will also not see death.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

Obviously those who are faithful and who please God are the ones who will not see death.
If a person sins or they justify sin: Are they pleasing God and are they being faithful?

I don’t believe so based on the testimony of God’s Word.

1 Cor 6:13
13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
KJV

Our flesh bodies are for this present world time ONLY. This present flesh world time is to be destroyed by God's consuming fire on the last day of this world when Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord"...

2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

So there's another false doctrine revealed from the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, for they instead teach that that "day of the Lord" is PRIOR to the great tribulation. No, Peter shows there that "day of the Lord" event accompanies the FINAL day of this present world when God's consuming fire will burn man's works off the surface of this earth. That is the day of Christ's future return also, and gathering of His faithful Church.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

1 Cor 6:13
13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
KJV

Our flesh bodies are for this present world time ONLY. This present flesh world time is to be destroyed by God's consuming fire on the last day of this world when Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord"...

I believe we will be resurrected bodily in flesh and blood again. But that really is not the topic of this thread. The question is: Why do our bodies die? That’s the question.

2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

So there's another false doctrine revealed from the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, for they instead teach that that "day of the Lord" is PRIOR to the great tribulation. No, Peter shows there that "day of the Lord" event accompanies the FINAL day of this present world when God's consuming fire will burn man's works off the surface of this earth. That is the day of Christ's future return also, and gathering of His faithful Church.

Well, this is not really the topic of this thread. But I disagree that the Day of the Lord proceeds the Great Tribulation. I believe the Day of the Lord is a period of time of GOD bringing forth various judgments upon the Antichrist and his system. The Great Tribulation is started by the Antichrist and his enforcement of the mark. The Day of the Lord is a response (or an answer) to this and the fifth seal of the saints who were just martyred by the Antichrist.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

What gives you the basis for making such a claim, particularly when we know for a fact that God made it clear that sin would bring death? The opposite of that would be that they would go on living, and possibly be asked to partake of the Tree of Life.

If they were immortal why would God say this?

Genesis 3:22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”

 

[Davy]

I believe we will be resurrected bodily in flesh and blood again.

Then you don't believe what Apostle Paul taught...

1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

You can try to quote Luke 24:39 all day long, but I can show many Scriptures that for us, our flesh will NOT be translated to the "spiritual body" like Lord Jesus' flesh body was (made "a quickening spirit" per 1 Corinthians 15:45-47).

Those of us still alive on earth on the day of Christ's future coming will be 'changed' to the "spiritual body" that Apostle Paul taught per 1 Corinthians 15:52-54. That means the 7th Trumpet, which is the "last trump" of Paul.

And per 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4, Jesus at His resurrection went to hades and preached The Gospel to those who had died back to the flood, and Peter said for this reason The Gospel was preached also to the dead, so they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. So how is it that the Jew's tradition has it wrong, saying that we are asleep in the casket when our flesh dies?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Then you don't believe what Apostle Paul taught...

1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

You can try to quote Luke 24:39 all day long, but I can show many Scriptures that for us, our flesh will NOT be translated to the "spiritual body" like Lord Jesus' flesh body was (made "a quickening spirit" per 1 Corinthians 15:45-47).

Those of us still alive on earth on the day of Christ's future coming will be 'changed' to the "spiritual body" that Apostle Paul taught per 1 Corinthians 15:52-54. That means the 7th Trumpet, which is the "last trump" of Paul.

And per 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4, Jesus at His resurrection went to hades and preached The Gospel to those who had died back to the flood, and Peter said for this reason The Gospel was preached also to the dead, so they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. So how is it that the Jew's tradition has it wrong, saying that we are asleep in the casket when our flesh dies?

Right, flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God in Heaven that is in existence now. This is true. The spiritual body resurrection of the saints is the “Any Time Rapture.” After the 1,000 year reign of Christ: There will be a new heavens and new Earth (With the old Heavens and Old Earth passing away). New Jerusalem will come down out of the current Heaven to be on the New Earth. Both the 1,000 year reign of Christ and the New Earth will each have flesh and blood body type resurrections. For the Millennium resurrection: Revelation basically says that those who were beheaded for Christ will live and reign with Christ a thousand years. They literally are going to live again as the text says. The rest of the dead lived after (Just as Revelation says). But again, this is not the topic of the thread. Start another thread if you want to talk about Eschatology.

 

[ewq1938]

Again, Adam and Eve would not have died if they obeyed God and ate of the good tree.

If they ate of the tree of life. Otherwise they were created mortal and would have eventually physically died, which they did. That was a natural dearth all living suffer.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

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While they were originally mortal. Immortality is what would have eventually happen if they obeyed God. Meaning, if they did not eat of the wrong tree and ate of the good tree, they would have lived forever. Sin is what stopped that from happening and death then was the result (Seeing Adam and Eve died).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If they ate of the tree of life. Otherwise they were created mortal and would have eventually physically died, which they did. That was a natural dearth all living suffer.

No. Your not getting it. Death was never a part of God’s good plan for Adam and Eve. God told them to not eat the bad tree and God placed the good tree in the garden for them to have eventually eat of the good tree. So if they obeyed then eternal life would have been in their possession. But sin stopped that plan and death then was the result because Adam and Eve died. Hence, the wages of sin is death just as the Bible says (Romans 6:23).