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Blah, blah blah.

The word of God cannot be received by a poster whom refuses to acknowledge their need of the word of God !

Reams & reams of correct interpetation has been expounded upon in these forums by multiple believers of truth, yet has either been laughed at by such or argued against as " lacking understanding....read ones own words!

Not only " pot & kettle" syndrome but also "groundhog day" syndrome.

Someone on this thread has defined exactly what insanity is in the common vernacular ! (not as the legal def)
 
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I do that every day when I study His written word.
That is good to hear....I pray that he opens your heart to truly understand his word...I pray that for myself also and everyone else...in Jesus Name...Amen.

The Bible isn’t God...it’s his Living word...I love reading his word also...and I always ask the Holy Spirit to bring me to understanding in my heart..the written word of God.

The word of God is Spirit and he speaks to us in Spirit and truth....we serve an Amazing and wonderful God..we are honoured and privileged to belong to his family...
 
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please I ask..if you want to discuss Gods word and becoming Born Again...then discuss his word...

We are Born Again of imperishable seed...what does that mean?..let’s discuss the word of God.
How about discussing this scripture.......let’s talk something edifying.

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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We are not saved by being baptized. We are saved by grace through faith (Eph 2:8). But we are told that happens when we are baptized.
This is not Gods word on how we become Born Again.

Scripture below on how we become Born Again.​

John 3​

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

1 Peter 1:23
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Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

New King James Version
having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

American Standard Version
having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.

Berean Study Bible
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever.
 
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@Eternally Grateful
I am sorry to have engaged in your thread with " my own opinions",( which we all do) however as ALL CAN SEE, it seems it is ok for one to yakyak at certain other posters but push against being called into question on their own understanding & behaviour !

I do not like the behaviour, theology, nor opinions of some and it is my personal thorn (of one sent to buffet me), it seems. This has been on going in several different sites under different names!

Big clue here, DO NOT USE YOUR PERSONAL PIC AS YOUR AVATAR and maybe you won't be known.......

Not likely since the SAME MANTRA is like a needle stick in a crack on a broken record !

@JBO a bit of advice, do not engage as you are being mocked, called names, and used to edifiy narcissism .

Again, forgive me EG, I'll leave you to it.
 

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I do that every day when I study His written word.
Any one can read their Bible everyday..my Son reads the word of God every day......the word of God needs to be understood from the heart.thats why we must be Born Again to truly understand the word of God...the Holy Spirit leads us through scripture and he brings it to our understanding...by his Spirit.

It takes years and years to understand God’s word ( for me anyway) as his word must be revealed to the heart..,it must penetrate the heart in order for us to understand ...as he talks to us through his Spirit.

Let God’s Word “penetrate deep into your heart, for they bring life to those who find them, and healing to their whole body” (Proverbs
 
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That is the obvious result from the doctrine of Original Sin for any non-traducianist.

Could you repeat your comment or accusation or other wise your point in elementary language?
 
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No one chooses to become Born Again...and I will call those out who claim such a thing.

God chooses who become Born Again by his seed.

We have no say in the matter.

Show me where you chose to become Born Again....?1

Please don’t tell me I hold to Calvin teaching...I hold to God teachings...now you prove me wrong..you don’t have to quote me, just use the reply in the box.

Tell me how you chose to be Born Again of imperishable seed?

How did you choose and accept that?

Becoming Born Again is a supernatural act of God...Spirit gives birth to spirit....how can you choose that?
Who is born again in John 3? What did they do?
 
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That is speaking of physical death. We all die, but not because Adam sinned. Even Adam didn't die because he sinned, at least not directly.
No

That is speaking of spiritual death.

i was made alive WHILE i was still physically alive
 

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That is 1 Corinthians 15:22. And that is speaking of physical death and then the resurrection at the end of the age when Christ returns.
wrong

I was dead in tresspasses and sins, I was made alive in Christ.

That's nuts and it presents God as some ogre since He knows and did from before the world began that only a few would believe.
Thats nuts?

its good to know the word of God is nuts to you
 

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John 3​

King James Version​

3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
You need to post the whole passage. You keep cutting it off right before God tells nicodemus HOW to be born again
 
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Becoming Born Again is not out of context ,Jesus clearly states how we become Born Again and his Born Again children understand his word.
Yes he did

John 3:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 

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Blah, blah blah.

The word of God cannot be received by a poster whom refuses to acknowledge their need of the word of God !

Reams & reams of correct interpetation has been expounded upon in these forums by multiple believers of truth, yet has either been laughed at by such or argued against as " lacking understanding....read ones own words!

Not only " pot & kettle" syndrome but also "groundhog day" syndrome.

Someone on this thread has defined exactly what insanity is in the common vernacular ! (not as the legal def)
Discussion is good. Although it can drive you crazy at the same time