Why do you believe Satan is still around today? (Please read Op)

[MatthewG]

I do find it curious that Jesus has victory here for over 2000 years, and yet the world is the way it is today. When our faith is suppose to boast the most believers in it.

Dont know.

 

[gpresdo]

Just as well as the Revelation speaks of the doing away with Satan.

The whole of the context and narrative of the Bible needs to be taken into consideration.

Satan for the longest time was the prince of the world and held 'the title deed to earth', eventually due to the coming of the Lord Yeshua, Satan was cast out - and put into the Lake of fire forever.

Satan is lose on this earth today. Study Job.
At the time of Christ return to the earth at the end of the 7 year tribulation period....satan is then chained and stowed in the inner chasm of the earth.

At the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth....Satan is to be loosed for a little season....to test the people.
Then he and death are cast in the lake of fire for eternity.

 

[gpresdo]

I do find it curious that Jesus has victory here for over 2000 years, and yet the world is the way it is today. When our faith is suppose to boast the most believers in it.

AAAAAAAAH,,, the key. What is the faith level? Nil, i submit.

 

[MatthewG]

Satan is lose on this earth today. Study Job.
At the time of Christ return to the earth at the end of the 7 year tribulation period....satan is then chained and stowed in the inner chasm of the earth.

At the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth....Satan is to be loosed for a little season....to test the people.
Then he and death are cast in the lake of fire for eternity.

You are free to believe how you will.

I don't need to study Job, to believe that Jesus came back as promised, in Revelation.

Thank you for your concern, if you did not know before 1000 doesn't mean 1000, it's already been 2000 years, something is not adding up, but nonetheless everyone has to decide for themselves.

Jesus promised to come back with-in a generation (40 years), that would be the total of 1000. (The full some of time that was foretold to come about in that generation.)

There is a reason revelation is wrote like it is, it was to keep from anyone seizing it and getting rid of it.

Satan is not around anymore.

 

[MatthewG]

So many people have been mislead by manmade traditions.

 

[gpresdo]

You are free to believe how you will.

I don't need to study Job, to believe that Jesus came back as promised, in Revelation.

Thank you for your concern, if you did not know before 1000 doesn't mean 1000, it's already been 2000 years, something is not adding up, but nonetheless everyone has to decide for themselves.

Jesus promised to come back with-in a generation (40 years), that would be the total of 1000. (The full some of time that was foretold to come about in that generation.)

There is a reason revelation is wrote like it is, it was to keep from anyone seizing it and getting rid of it.

Satan is not around anymore.

The second advent of Jesus...is yet to come.
The point was satan on the earth now.
That's the Bible.
Your choice,

 

[MatthewG]

The second advent of Jesus...is yet to come.
The point was satan on the earth now.
That's the Bible.
Your choice,

Many people do suggest that Jesus has not yet come back by tradition.

I don't hold on to that tradition and believe that he did come back to his bride and was seen by those who were faithful and watching, in that great and dreadful day of the LORD, that came upon Jerusalem in 70AD.

However, people will choose just as you will, to either believe Jesus has taken care of all things, or still waiting. It's amazing to see people who read revelation do not see the connection of that time and generation which was going to be done away with for having the son of God killed, - with divorcement on material israel and marrying of the spiritual blameless spotless bride, and establishing a new Covenant, and restoring the Garden of Eden - where now people walk around and choose, either the tree of life, or the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It is most certainly subjective and people's choice to decide what they will end up believing, be it they are waiting, for Jesus to come back today - or seek truth at any cost regardless of being considered completely crazy.

 

[gpresdo]

Many people do suggest that Jesus has not yet come back by tradition.

I don't hold on to that tradition and believe that he did come back to his bride and was seen by those who were faithful and watching, in that great and dreadful day of the LORD, that came upon Jerusalem in 70AD.

However, people will choose just as you will, to either believe Jesus has taken care of all things, or still waiting. It's amazing to see people who read revelation do not see the connection of that time and generation which was going to be done away with for having the son of God killed, - with divorcement on material israel and marrying of the spiritual blameless spotless bride, and establishing a new Covenant, and restoring the Garden of Eden - where now people walk around and choose, either the tree of life, or the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It is most certainly subjective and people's choice to decide what they will end up believing, be it they are waiting, for Jesus to come back today - or seek truth at any cost regardless of being considered completely crazy.

A comprehensive summary. Thank you.
I will follow scriptures.
You then believe this world will never end...or by other occurrences?

 

[MatthewG]

A comprehensive summary. Thank you.
I will follow scriptures.
You then believe this world will never end...or by other occurrences.?

Where do you find the idea that this world is going to end?

There are scriptures where 'world' should be 'age.'

I never read a scripture that says that this 'whole world will end' because if this 'whole world will end', that would mean people would stop being reborn and entering into the Kingdom of God.

That makes no sense with a kingdom that is never supposed to stop growing.

While I believe populations can be destroyed by wars, this world will never end, it would be impossible.

For the Jewish - understanding "their heaven and earth" did come to an end, at the end of the age.

 

[Rockerduck]

Where do you find the idea that this world is going to end?

There are scriptures where 'world' should be 'age.'

I never read a scripture that says that this 'whole world will end' because if this 'whole world will end', that would mean people would stop being reborn and entering into the Kingdom of God.

That makes no sense with a kingdom that is never supposed to stop growing.

While I believe populations can be destroyed by wars, this world will never end, it would be impossible.

For the Jewish - understanding "their heaven and earth" did come to an end, at the end of the age.

This is the scripture that everyone uses

Revelation 21:1 - Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

 

[MatthewG]

This is the scripture that everyone uses

Revelation 21:1 - Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

Yes, that is in relation to the end of the age. All the material jerusalem had been crushed to the ground as promised by the Lord Jesus Christ, that includes 'no more brazen sea'. 'Their whole heaven and earth was destroyed.'

The Brazen sea was what was used in the Temple, for baptisms. The whole "heaven and earth" - material Jerusalem was done away with. The new heaven and new earth = where God resides by the spirit in you, and writes his laws on your hearts and minds as you believe and have faith.


That is the overall summary, that makes the most sense. Not a whole "doing away with the whole world" as it says there is "heaven and earth" The Jewish understanding of that would be "Their heaven and earth - the temple on earth was a Material - place where God would show up, if sins were accepted for the year, smoke would come into the room. The whole "temple was a micro-heaven and earth." It was destroyed in 70Ad.

 

[BlessedPeace]

AAAAAAAAH,,, the key. What is the faith level? Nil, i submit.

There are no faithful in Christ?

 

[MatthewG]

Yes, that is in relation to the end of the age. All the material jerusalem had been crushed to the ground as promised by the Lord Jesus Christ, that includes 'no more brazen sea'. 'Their whole heaven and earth was destroyed.'

The Brazen sea was what was used in the Temple, for baptisms. The whole "heaven and earth" - material Jerusalem was done away with. The new heaven and new earth = where God resides by the spirit in you, and writes his laws on your hearts and minds as you believe and have faith.


That is the overall summary, that makes the most sense. Not a whole "doing away with the whole world" as it says there is "heaven and earth" The Jewish understanding of that would be "Their heaven and earth - the temple on earth was a Material - place where God would show up, if sins were accepted for the year, smoke would come into the room. The whole "temple was a micro-heaven and earth." It was destroyed in 70Ad.

The prior chapter is the judgment of all the key players in that day in age. Then you have Revelation 21-22, which can be learned from - Revelation 22 the final address was for the 7 churches to go back again and reread and not to forget that Jesus was coming back again quickly.

Cause back then, they received letters on scrolls, and it probably did not have "chapter logs" like we do today. And Revelation is highly complex but is history oriented.

It's amazing how different Jesus is to those seven churches, compared to all the rest of the Gospel narrative, many people do not like revelation, and do not find it so important however it does have an effect on ones world view be it they see that Jesus has had the victory, or has yet to have the victory.

 

[Jack]

So many people have been mislead by manmade traditions.

So you say Satan is gone and Jesus isn't coming back, and Yeshua became the Lord God Almighty.

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[BlessedPeace]

You are free to believe how you will.

I don't need to study Job, to believe that Jesus came back as promised, in Revelation.

Thank you for your concern, if you did not know before 1000 doesn't mean 1000, it's already been 2000 years, something is not adding up, but nonetheless everyone has to decide for themselves.

Jesus promised to come back with-in a generation (40 years), that would be the total of 1000. (The full some of time that was foretold to come about in that generation.)

There is a reason revelation is wrote like it is, it was to keep from anyone seizing it and getting rid of it.

Satan is not around anymore.

Where is he?

 

[BlessedPeace]

So you say Satan is gone and Jesus isn't coming back, and Yeshua became the Lord God Almighty.

What's wrong with this picture?

What denomination teaches that?

 

[Jack]

What denomination teaches that?

Heck if I know. Good question! Ask MatthewG

 

[MatthewG]

Blessedpeace,

In the lake of fire.

 

[Jack]

Blessedpeace,

In the lake of fire.

That makes about as much sense as anything you've said.

 

[Rockerduck]

Satan has not been bound for 1000 yrs. yet. After the 1000 yrs. He's let out, Judged, then the lake of fire.