Why does God descend in a hidden way and work in China?

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[SIZE=12pt]Because we see that God did the first two stages of works in Israel and did them in an open way, we think that God will do the end-time work in the same way as before, that is, he will descend publicly to Israel or some other country blessed by God and will never descend in a hidden way to China, an atheistic country cursed by God. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]We have such a thought because we don’t understand the principle and the significance of God’s doing each stage of work in each age, but measure God’s work of today against his former works. Actually, God doesn’t work according to regulations and he has principles in the way of doing each stage of his work. No matter what working place and working object he chooses in each stage of his work, and no matter whether he works in a hidden way or in an open way, they are all meaningful, and he works according to the need of his work, his own will, and his wisdom. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]This is just as Almighty God says, “[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Every work he does is meaningful. He works according to his own will and by his wisdom, not according to man’s choices or man’s notions. Whatever benefits his work, he will do it; if it brings no benefits to his work, he will not do it, no matter how good it is! He works and chooses the objects and the place of his work according to the significance and the purpose of his work. He does not work according to former regulations, and he does not apply old formulas. He plans his work according to its significance and will achieve real results and achieve the intended purposes in the end.[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]” (from The Word Appears in the Flesh) From Almighty God’s words, we know that God has principles in doing his work, that is, he will do the work in whatever way that is meaningful. Let’s first have a specific fellowship about why in the end time God comes to work in China instead of descending to Israel or some other country blessed by God, that is, what is the significance of God’s doing the end-time work in China. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]First, God’s coming to work in China in the end time breaks the notion of all people and makes them know that God is a God of all created beings.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]As we all know, of the first two stages of works of God, one was done in the whole land of Israel, and the other was done in Judea, neither going beyond the scope of Israel, so Israel became the birthplace and the base of God’s work. The Israelites were God’s first chosen people. After Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, God formally began to lead them to live on earth for thousands of years, so Israelites worshiped Jehovah from generation to generation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Two thousand years ago, the Lord Jesus was born in Judea, lived with the Jews at that time, and accomplished the redemptive work among them. Therefore, people unconsciously had a notion in their mind: God is the God of Israelites, God only leads and saves Israelites, only Israelites are true chosen people of God, and the people of other countries are all gentiles; in particular Chinese do not believe in God or worship God, and God will not descend in such a country to do his end-time work. For a long time, they held this notion. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Today, God takes China as the first place to do his end-time work, which breaks the notion of all people, so that the whole mankind sees: God is not a God of any certain country or race, but a God of all mankind; God has the right to do the work in his plan in any country and among any race, and he will work there as long as it is most beneficial to his work. Just as Almighty God says, “[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]He led the Israelites and was born in Judea and was born again in a Gentile nation; isn’t all the work he does for the sake of all mankind created by him? Does he love the Israelites a hundredfold but loathe the Gentiles a thousandfold? Aren’t all these your notions? … If you still say that God is only the God of the Israelites and that only the house of David in Israel is God’s birthplace and no nation except Israel can be qualified to ‘produce’ God, much less can the family of any Gentile nation personally receive Jehovah’s work, if you still think this way, aren’t you a bigot? … And you have never thought that God would personally descend to a Gentile nation. He should descend on Mount Sinai or on the Mount of Olives to appear to the Israelites. Aren’t all the Gentiles (that is, people outside Israel) the ones loathed by him? How could he personally work among them? All these are the deep-rooted notions you have had over many years. Today God conquers you just for the purpose of breaking these notions of yours. Thus you have seen that God has personally appeared among you, not on Mount Sinai or on the Mount of Olives but among people whom he had never led before.[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]” “[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]If when the end-time Savior descends, he were still called Jesus and were still born in Judea and worked in Judea, it would prove that I only created the Israelites and only redeemed the Israelites and had nothing to do with the Gentiles. If I did so, wouldn’t it contradict my word: ‘I am the Lord who created the heavens and the earth and all things’? [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]The reason why I withdrew from Judea and work in the Gentile nations is that I am not [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]just[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] the God of the Israelites but the God of all created beings. The reason why I appear in the Gentile nations in the end time is that I am not only Jehovah—the God of the Israelites, but much more the Creator of all my chosen people among the Gentile nations. I not only created Israel, Egypt, and Lebanon, but also created all the Gentile nations outside Israel. So I am the Lord of all created beings….[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]” (from The Word Appears in the Flesh) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Second, God’s coming to work in China in the end time is most advantageous to conquering and saving all mankind.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The working object God chooses in each age is representative, and they are most qualified to represent all mankind in receiving God’s work of salvation, and are most advantageous for God to accomplish the work of that age. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Just as Almighty God says, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]“[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]He chooses the working object by principle and not without any basis. The working object must be beneficial to the work of the God in the flesh and can represent all mankind. For example, the Jews could represent all mankind in receiving the personal redeeming of Jesus, and the Chinese can represent all mankind in receiving the personal conquering of the incarnated God; there is a basis for the Jews to represent all mankind, and there is also a basis for the Chinese to represent all mankind in receiving the personal conquering of God; doing the redemptive work among the Jews can best reveal the significance of redemption, and doing the conquering work among the Chinese can best reveal the thoroughness and success of the conquering work.[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]” (from The Word Appears in the Flesh) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]From God’s words we see that in working God does not keep regulations. He does his work in any way as long as he can achieve the best results, and he does his work in any country as long as it is most beneficial to his work to choose the people there as the object of his work. For example, it is most meaningful for Jesus to choose to do the redemptive work in Judea, because the Jews are most qualified to represent the people in the entire universe in receiving God’s redemption, and doing the redemptive work in Judea is most able to reveal the meaning of redemption. When the work in Judea was accomplished, it meant that the work in the entire universe was accomplished. Likewise, it is most meaningful for God to choose to do the end-time work in China. God wants to do the conquering work in the end time, and conquering means to defeat, beat, put to shame, and [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]cause to be unable to revolt against God anymore. So, the chosen object of the work must be the ones who are most deeply corrupted and are most disobedient and resistant against God among mankind. In the whole world, China is the country that most resists and disobeys and denies God. Therefore, it is most suitable and representative for God to choose China as the exemplary place to do the conquering work in the end time. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Just as Almighty God says, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]“[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Such things as man’s corruption, filthiness, unrighteousness, resistance, and disobedience are most thoroughly manifested in the Chinese and all of these things are expressed in you. On the one hand, your qualities are poor. On the other hand, your life is backward, your thoughts are backward, your life habits, your social environment, and the families you were born in are all poor and most backward, and your status is low. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]It is representative to do the work in this place[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]. When the experimental work has been done thoroughly, it will be much easier to carry out the work in the future. When this step of work has been accomplished, the future work will not be difficult. When this step of work has been accomplished and has been crowned with complete success, the conquering work in the entire universe will have ended completely. Actually, when the work among you has succeeded, it means that the work of the entire universe has succeeded. This is the significance of making you models and specimens. In these people, disobedience can be found, resistance can be found, filthiness can be found, and unrighteousness can be found, which can represent all the disobedience of mankind. These people are really something. That is why these people are taken as examples to be conquered. Of course, after they have been conquered, they will be specimens and models.[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]”[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] (from The Word Appears in the Flesh) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]As Almighty God’s words disclose, China is the darkest and most backward country in the world, and the qualities of Chinese are the poorest. So, it’s most suitable that in the end time God chooses China as the base of his conquering work and chooses Chinese as his conquering object. In Chinese, filthiness can be found, and disobedience can be found; it can be said that they have each and every kind of corruptions. Through judging their disobedience and unrighteousness and disclosing their corruption and ugliness, God judges the unrighteousness of the people in the entire universe and reveals his righteous disposition; through conquering Chinese, the group of the most corrupt people, God conquers the people of all the countries in the world, and finally causes them to be sincerely convinced. Thus, satan will be completely ashamed, and God will gain glory.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Next, let’s talk about why God descends in a hidden way. As we all know, China is an atheistic country where the government does its utmost to persecute and hinder God’s work, and people in this place are humiliated and persecuted for their belief in God. It is quite difficult for God to carry out his work in this place, and it can be said that God runs the risk thousands of times higher than that in the Age of the Grace. If God worked in an open way, the country of the great red dragon would only condemn and persecute God, and the work could not be carried on at all. So, God works in a hidden way in order that his work can be carried out smoothly and his followers can be kept in a relatively secure environment to experience his work. In addition, whether God works in an open or a hidden way has to do with the work God needs to do. In the Age of the Grace, God needed to be man’s sin offering and be crucified for man. So, Jesus preached publicly and accomplished the work of crucifixion through contacting the Pharisees and being persecuted and condemned by them. The work God does today is mainly to express the word, through which to do the work of chastising and judging and purifying man, not to be crucified for mankind again. So, God works in a hidden way in this country that regards God as an enemy in order to avoid various kinds of temptations and hindrances, so that the work can be spread smoothly in the fortress of demons ruled by dictatorship. This is God’s wisdom. Thus, God chooses to work in an open or a hidden way according to the need of the work. God’s working in a hidden way this time has fulfilled the prophecies in the Bible that the Lord will come as a thief when descending the second time. For example, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]“Behold, I come as a thief….” (Revelation 16:15)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]“ If therefore you shall not watch, I will come on you as a thief, and you shall not know what hour I will come on you.” (Revelation 3:3) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Concerning God’s descending in a hidden way in the end time, Almighty God says, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]“[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Today, he does not contact the Pharisees or let the world know him, and only you who follow know him, because he will not be crucified again. In the Age of the Grace, he publicly preached everywhere for the sake of his gospel work, and he contacted the Pharisees for the sake of the work of crucifixion. If he had not contacted the Pharisees and those in power had not known about him, how could he have been condemned and then betrayed and crucified? So, in the past he contacted the Pharisees for the sake of the crucifixion, and today he works in a hidden way for avoiding temptations. The works and the significances of the two incarnations are different and the environments they are in are different, so how could the works they do be completely the same?[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]” “[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]The work done here today is [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]s[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]ealed very [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]tight[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], just kept from them. If they knew it, they would only condemn and persecute it, and they would not believe it. It is not easy to do the work in the country of the great red dragon, this most backward place. If the work were done in an open way, it could not be carried on. This stage of work is simply not allowable in this place. If it were done in an open way, how could they allow it? Wouldn’t I run a greater risk? If this work were not done in a hidden way but done as Jesus healed the sick and drove out demons on a grand scale at that time, wouldn’t it have long been ‘captured’ by the devils? Would they allow God’s existence? If now I went to preach and teach in the religious churches, wouldn’t I have long been shredded into pieces?[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] In that case, how could the work be carried on?[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] … [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]If I did this stage of work in the same way as Jesus worked in the Age of the Grace, it could not be so secure. So, doing the work in such a hidden way is beneficial to you and to all the work.[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]”[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] (from The Word Appears in the Flesh)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]To sum up, no matter where God works or how he works, it is for the sake of his work and is for better saving man, and it is most beneficial to man and is very meaningful. No matter when, God works according to his own plan and his wisdom, not according to man’s choices or notions. Therefore, we should not circumscribe God by our notions or restrict him by our thoughts. What we should do is to drop our notions and seek God’s appearing. Only by doing so can we keep up with God’s footsteps and receive God’s end-time salvation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Almighty God says, “[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]God’s appearing cannot possibly fit man’s notions, much less can he possibly appear according to man’s requirements. In doing the work, God has his own choice and his own plan, and even more has his own goal and his own way. Whatever work he does, he does not need to consult with man or ask for man’s suggestions, much less inform anyone of it. This is God’s disposition and even more is what everyone should know. If you want to see God’s appearing and want to follow God’s footsteps, you should first come out of your notions, and do not demand that God work this way or that way, much less restrict God to your scope or to your notions. Rather, you should require yourselves as to how you should seek God’s footsteps, how you should accept God’s appearing, and how you should obey God’s new work. This is what man should do. Because no man is the truth and no man has the truth, what man should do is to seek, accept, and obey.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]No matter whether you are an American, a Briton, or a man of any other nationality, you should come out of the scope of your nationality and go beyond your self and look at God’s work as a created being; in this way you will not limit God’s footsteps to a scope. This is because now many people think in their notion that God cannot possibly appear in a certain country or among a certain race. How profound is the significance of God’s working and how important is God’s appearing. Could they be figured out by man’s notion and mind? So I say that you should break your notions of nationality and race to seek God’s appearing! Only in this way will you not be bound by notions, and only in this way will you be qualified to welcome God’s appearing. Otherwise, you will forever be one who is in darkness and forever be one who cannot receive God’s approval.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]God is the God of all mankind. He does not regard himself as the private possession of a certain country or a certain race, but he does the work in his plan without being limited to any way or any country or race. Maybe such a way you have never imagined. Maybe such a way you hold a negative attitude toward. Maybe the country or the race in which God appears is just the one discriminated against by all people and is just the most backward on earth. However, God has his wisdom, and by his great power and by his truth and his disposition, he has truly gained a group of people who are of one heart and one mind with him and has gained a group of conquered people whom he intended to make and who have undergone all kinds of sufferings and trials and undergone all kinds of persecutions and can follow to the end. … No matter where God’s footsteps are, his disposition will not change. No matter where God’s footsteps are, he is the God of all mankind. Take the Lord Jesus for example. He is not only the God of the Israelites, but also the God of all Asians, Europeans, and Americans, and even more the unique God in the entire universe. Let’s from God’s utterance and word search for God’s will, discover God’s appearing, and keep up with God’s footsteps! God is the truth, the way, and the life. His word and his appearing coexist. His disposition and his footsteps are being made open to mankind all the time. Dear brothers and sisters, I hope that you all can see God’s appearing in these words, start to keep up with God’s footsteps and step toward the new age, and enter into the beautiful new heaven and new earth God has prepared for those who are waiting for his appearing![/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]” (from The Word Appears in the Flesh)[/SIZE]
 

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...because china is hungry for God...because the churches have always been persecuted there but where sin abounds, grace abounds the more...because china cries out to God for mercy! Mercy Lord!
 

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Angelina said:
...because china is hungry for God...because the churches have always been persecuted there but where sin abounds, grace abounds the more...because china cries out to God for mercy! Mercy Lord!
As I have warned before, this OP is from a cult. There are a few of their members/followers on CB and they are pushing this agenda.
Please read the following web page.

http://www.chinaramblings.com/archives/13343
 

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[SIZE=12pt]Dear brothers and sisters, “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing…” (Proverbs 25:2); this is God’s working wisdom. To truly understand why God does the work in a hidden way, we need to take a look at how the Lord Jesus preached and worked in the Age of the Grace and how the Jews and King Herod treated him.[/SIZE]
 

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[SIZE=12pt]Firstly, let’s recall the situation when Jesus Christ was born (cf. Matthew 2): During the time of King Herod, all Jerusalem learned from the Magi from the east that the Lord Jesus had been born in Bethlehem. So, King Herod was disturbed (because he was afraid that his kingship would be taken away), and all Jerusalem was disturbed (because the Lord’s coming was greatly out of their expectation and didn’t fit their notions). [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]In order to kill Jesus, King Herod gave orders to slaughter all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under. In such a situation, God told Joseph to take Jesus and Mary and escape to Egypt late at night. From this we can see that the whole mankind didn’t know God at all, much less welcome God’s coming, and their means of resisting God was so cruel. Later, when the Lord Jesus began to perform his ministry, he gave sermons and preached the gospel publicly everywhere for the sake of his gospel work; he contacted[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] the Pharisees for accomplishing his work of being crucified to redeem all mankind. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Although the Lord Jesus did that stage of work publicly, he also worked in a hidden way when necessary.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]For example, it is recorded in [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Matthew 8:4[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]: After Jesus healed a man with leprosy, he said to him, “See you tell no man; but go your way, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony to them.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Again, Matthew 9:30 says: After healing two blind men, “Jesus straightly charged them, saying, See that no man know it.” Matthew 16:13­­­-20 records, “When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? … And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. … Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.” Also, Matthew records that Jesus led his disciples up a high mountain by themselves, and there he was transfigured before them. “And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.” (Matthew17:9) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]From the above verses, we can easily see that sometimes the Lord Jesus worked in a hidden way because of the need of the work, which is God’s wisdom. This is because, on the one hand, some things, such as Jesus’ identity, could not be made known to people too early, lest greater disturbances be caused and God’s work be hindered; on the other hand, the Pharisees were then going everywhere to arrest Jesus and trying to frame him, while Jesus had not accomplished his work on earth and the time for him to be crucified had not yet come. Therefore, Jesus strictly warned people not to tell others about what they had seen and heard, lest God’s work be disrupted. However, people didn’t understand God’s will but misunderstood God, thinking: Since you are the Christ and God, why don’t you let us make your deeds known to others? Even Jesus’ “brother” didn’t understand him. He said, “Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that your disciples also may see the works that you do. For there is no man that does any thing in secret, and he himself seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.” (John 7:3-4) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]By these we see that people didn’t know God’s work or understand God’s will. Today, God has returned in the flesh to carry out his work in a hidden way, yet what he faces is still people’s misunderstanding, rejection, resistance and condemnation. They still don’t understand God’s will. From this we can see that whether yesterday or today, people’s notions are the same. They all think that since he is God and he comes to save man, he should not “act in secret” or do things “in a sneaky way,” but should make everything public so that everyone can see and know about it. But who can know God’s working wisdom? And who can understand God’s thoughtful kind intention?[/SIZE]
 

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Two Christs not One
This group defines “Christ” as God coming in the flesh to carry out his will in person. The first Christ was Jesus and the second Christ is called “the Almighty” which claims to be the second incarnation of God in a small Chinese women who is still on the earth today. This second Christ is also the last Christ, so no other can overcome her.

Please discontinue your "Eastern Lightning" teachings on this Christian centered forum as it is contrary to Christ's teachings and God's overall plan of salvation for mankind.. There is only one mediator between God and man and his name is Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. :huh: Thank you!
 

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No born-again Christian on earth will ever believe that the "Almighty" has come in the form of an old chinese lady who lives in china. It's not even biblical for a start.... :huh:
 

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[SIZE=12pt] China, an atheistic country cursed by God. [/SIZE]
where in the bible can i read about this "curse" that our Lord put on China? sounds very interesting. and whats the deal with all the spiritual belief systems in china such as Taoism, Buddhism, lslamism, Protestantism , Catholicism and many more. doesnt sound very atheist to me.