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mjrhealth

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Care to answer the question: Why do YOU quote the Catholic Canon if it's full of "lies"??
because you dont know God, If men did, it would not exist. How is it you know it, and yet every post of yours is filled with lies and hypocrisy,??? As some one said, all you do is argue, even with those from your own religion, you have no interest in truth, you just want to prove yourself right, but you will never be right because Jesus and God and teh Holy Spirit are right, and you have no part of them. it shows in every post your write. You think you have everything but you have nothing.

Have a lovely day. I will with Christ, and no religion.
 
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because you dont know God, If men did, it would not exist. How is it you know it, and yet every post of yours is filled with lies and hypocrisy,??? As some one said, all you do is argue, even with those from your own religion, you have no interest in truth, you just want to prove yourself right, but you will never be right because Jesus and God and teh Holy Spirit are right, and you have no part of them. it shows in every post your write. You think you have everything but you have nothing.

Have a lovely day. I will with Christ, and no religion.
ONE more time:
Why do YOU quote the Catholic Canon if it's full of "lies"??

Why is this so difficult for you to answer, hmmmm?
 

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yep like I said, none of them are from God, if Jesus is the fullness of His church according to you, he is a child molester as they are a part of your church.
Hi mjrhealth,

I think I have asked you this before and you either didn't answer or gave a bizarre answer. Either way, I don't recall getting a logical answer.

What church do you belong too?

If you don't belong to a church just say you don't belong to a church...don't ramble on with unintelligible gibberish. I think that is what happened last time. :)


Mary
 

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because you dont know God, If men did, it would not exist. How is it you know it, and yet every post of yours is filled with lies and hypocrisy,??? As some one said, all you do is argue, even with those from your own religion, you have no interest in truth, you just want to prove yourself right, but you will never be right because Jesus and God and teh Holy Spirit are right, and you have no part of them. it shows in every post your write. You think you have everything but you have nothing.

Have a lovely day. I will with Christ, and no religion.
Hi sir,

How do you KNOW he is telling lies?

Curious Mary
 

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If you don't belong to a church just say you don't belong to a church...don't ramble on with unintelligible gibberish. I think that is what happened last time. :)
Ill make it very simple, so even a child can understand"

I belong to Jesus. You know what that means. He owns me..

This bit

1Co_7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

Is that so hard to understand. And I certainly am not teh only one, there are even some here on this forum.
 
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ONE more time:
Why do YOU quote the Catholic Canon if it's full of "lies"??

Why is this so difficult for you to answer, hmmmm?
Simple. men liek you wont listen to anything else, sorry you also have your doctrines

Have you not read

Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

And you sir are a stranger, why is it for someone who knows teh bible so well, insists on persecuting God people.
 
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Simple. men liek you wont listen to anything else, sorry you also have your doctrines

Have you not read
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
And you sir are a stranger, why is it for someone who knows teh bible so well, insists on persecuting God people.
And you just quoted the Catholic canon again. Why??

For a guy who hates the Church so much - you sure do spend a LOT of time quoting the Catholic Canon of Scripture
Interesting . . .
 

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And you just quoted the Catholic canon again. Why??
Actually I quoted the bible The RC church does not own God, neither did your religion write teh text, still today there is disagreement as to who the authors are. And it has errors because it was translated by men who had a purpose to deceive men, and because God never wrote it. Besides I use teh King James its church of england not catholic.
 
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Actually I quoted the bible The RC church does not own God, neither did your religion write teh text, still today there is disagreement as to who the authors are. And it has errors because it was translated by men who had a purpose to deceive men, and because God never wrote it. Besides I use teh King James its church of england not catholic.
Whenever you quote the New Testament - you are quoting from the Canon that was declared by the Catholic Church.

WHO told you that the New Testament was Scripture??
Why didn't you agree with Martin Luther and Calvin that certain Books should be removed such as the Epistle of James, Revelation and Hebrews??
Why do you instead acknowledge that the Catholic Church, was guided by the Holy Spirit to declare the Canon that YOU and ALL of Protestantism adheres to.
 

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WHO told you that the New Testament was Scripture??
Why didn't you agree with Martin Luther and Calvin that certain Books should be removed such as the Epistle of James, Revelation and Hebrews??
Why do you instead acknowledge that the Catholic Church, was guided by the Holy Spirit to declare the Canon that YOU and ALL of Protestantism adheres to.
I never said it was??? Neither did I agree with anything about the catholic church, because it was certainly NOT inspired by the Holy Spirit, some other spirit maybe but certainly not one from God, I have actually rad a lot of teh book not included in the BIBLE because they are mentioned, Just because MAN decrees them not scriptural well Give a hoot about man and his ideas. I have to admit you make me laugh, I really could never imagine that there could be anyone as staunchly religious as you. You have seriously opened my eye to how deep the deception is, and teh hold that religious spirit has on men, this one

Rev_2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

PS teh new testament was given by Christ before it was ever written down, and it was written down long before your religion even came into existence. Your religion has nothing on God.
 
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I belong to Jesus. You know what that means. He owns me..

This bit

1Co_7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

Is that so hard to understand. And I certainly am not the only one, there are even some here on this forum.

Yes indeed..I am too.
I belong to The Church,The Body of Christ...I do not belong to 'a church'.
His Church is a living vibrant entity. Not a place.
I have nothing against a Christian Gathering at all...love them..but it's been a long time since I found one that is led by God's Holy Spirit and not by man. They are about...but just not in this town...pity.
 
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I never said it was??? Neither did I agree with anything about the catholic church, because it was certainly NOT inspired by the Holy Spirit, some other spirit maybe but certainly not one from God, I have actually rad a lot of teh book not included in the BIBLE because they are mentioned, Just because MAN decrees them not scriptural well Give a hoot about man and his ideas. I have to admit you make me laugh, I really could never imagine that there could be anyone as staunchly religious as you. You have seriously opened my eye to how deep the deception is, and teh hold that religious spirit has on men, this one

Rev_2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

PS teh new testament was given by Christ before it was ever written down, and it was written down long before your religion even came into existence. Your religion has nothing on God.
And you're STILL dodging the question:
Why do you quote the Catholic canon of the NT - if the Catholic Church is an "evil" entity??

This one ALWAYS trips up ignorant anti-Catholics . . .
 

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Why do you quote the Catholic canon of the NT - if the Catholic Church is an "evil" entity??
Never quoted teh catholic canon, i dint know you owned one, they are dangerous they kill people, does teh government know they have one??? As i said teh KJ is Church Of England,

This one ALWAYS trips up ignorant anti-Catholics .

Never tripped me up, the catholic church never wrote anything they just took someone elses work and misquoted it to produce a lie called catholism. Still no eveidence of anti catholics still playing that card it will get worn out soon, but than you do hate every one else, How dare you follow Jesus is your war cry, well He asked us to so we did.
 
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Never quoted teh catholic canon, i dint know you owned one, they are dangerous they kill people, does teh government know they have one??? As i said teh KJ is Church Of England,

Never tripped me up, the catholic church never wrote anything they just took someone elses work and misquoted it to produce a lie called catholism. Still no eveidence of anti catholics still playing that card it will get worn out soon, but than you do hate every one else, How dare you follow Jesus is your war cry, well He asked us to so we did.
And ALL of your whining aside - the historical fact still remains that the New Testament Canon of Scripture that YOU follow was compiled and declared by the Catholic Church.

There was NO Church of England.
There was NO King James Version.
There was NO aggressivechristianity.net.
There were NO Protestants involved in any of this.

Now - for about the 4th or 5th time:
Why do you follow the Catholic canon of the NT - if the Catholic Church is an "evil" entity??
 

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There was NO Church of England.
There was NO King James Version.
There was NO aggressivechristianity.net.
There were NO Protestants involved in any of this.

Now - for about the 4th or 5th time:
Why do you follow the Catholic canon of the NT - if the Catholic Church is an "evil" entity??

What do I know...I'm not really " in this thread" , but I do still always read it.
( I must say , I have to admire your 'stickability' :) )

Anyway, my answer would be:-

There were NO CATHOLICS either....there were just Christians.

Kind of makes us think, doesn't it!! If not, is should!! ✝️
 
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What do I know...I'm not really " in this thread" , but I do still always read it.
( I must say , I have to admire your 'stickability' :) )

Anyway, my answer would be:-

There were NO CATHOLICS either....there were just Christians.

Kind of makes us think, doesn't it!! If not, is should!! ✝️
This is absolutely false - and something that most Protestants have been spoonfed for most of their lives.
I don't blame you for learning this - but, as an adult - you really should do some research about these falsehoods you've been raised on.

Here's a little background on the canonization of Scripture.
Prior to the Canon being declared - MANY Books were considered Scripture and read before congregations for about 300 years.
Among these were apocryphal works like the Shepherd of Hermas, The Epistle of Barnabas, and the Letter of Clement, among others.

There was much debate over those first few centuries and many "canons" from different individuals. The problem was that no individual had the Authority to make this decision. Only the Church did.

During a period of 37 years at the end of the 4th and the turn of the 5th century, the Canon of Scripture was formally declared and confirmed FIVE times. It is the same canon of Scripture that was around during the Protestant Revolt and that is still in use today by the Catholic Church. It was during the so-called Reformation and subsequent periods that rebellious, prideful men had problems with the canon and decided that some of the books were uninspired. Luther wanted to remove several books including Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation. Calvin and Zwingli did not believe Revelation to be inspired and wanted to remove it as well.

The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified. It was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo eleven years later (393). At the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document. 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon. 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

You don't have to believe me. Just research it yourself and you'll see that everything I just said is historically accurate.
 
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Well you are right @BreadOfLife ..I did not know that.
But, do you know when the early Christians were first called Catholics? And by whom?
Thanks.
 
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Well you are right @BreadOfLife ..I did not know that.
But, do you know when the early Christians were first called Catholics? And by whom?
Thanks.
Actually I could have sworn that this 'gentleman' was saying the other day that all the history on the catholic church was all lies, and now he wants you to study history?????
 
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