Eternal torment is not a matter of opinion in God's Word, it is a matter of fact.
"perrero" - Yes love that
Both are true. The answer lies in
John 1:19-51. Although there are spiritual significant elements in these verses they are self-explanatory.
Thanks "Jun2u,
I asked these two questions talking about the wedding at Cana
1: Did the disciples believe because of His deity?
2:Or did they believe him because of the miracle?
In another place I replied to a post that was written, "where are the Scriptures to back up". I replied using
John 2:11 This, the first of his signs, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee, and manifested His glory. And his disciples believed in him. )
You wrote (see quote 14) something in the lines of "depends how one interprets the scripture or something along those lines. Which I did look up.
The place I was quoting from was "The Marriage at Cana.
1: Did the disciples believe because of His deity?
2:Or did they believe him because of the miracle?
I am familiar with
John 1. Where John the Baptist proclaims Jesus is the The Lamb of God, The two disciples who heard John say "Behold the Lamb of God, and they followed Jesus. I do know that one of them was Andrew, who went and told his brother Simon Peter. The manifestation of the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove, the voice of God from heaven. According to those Scriptures these disciples had already witnessed the deity of Christ the day before the wedding in Cana
John 2:1, On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee,.....1:43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee,
So although
John 1:19-51, Talks about the manifestation and the eye witness, and hearing John witness to Jesus deity as the Son of God. Andrew and the other disciple went and told Simon Peter "we have seen the Messiah" They went to the place where Jesus abode and Jesus , called Philip to follow him. Andrew and the other disciple had witnessed Jesus at the baptism, Peter, Philip and Nathanael hadn't. So at the wedding 2 John 11, Peter, Philip and Nathanael would have witnessed Jesus Deity and they all would have witnessed the miracle of the water to wine. 2:11 This, the first of his signs, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee, and manifested is glory. And his disciples believed in him. )
John 1:19, And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23 He said, I
am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.
40 One of the two which heard John
speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.
45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
So Thanks Jun2u for your response. Blessed Of God.
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