CoreIssue
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So, you won't even answer a simple question? Is loving God a good work? I think it is.
This is already been discussed several times.
I did answer again you just continue to not like the answer.
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So, you won't even answer a simple question? Is loving God a good work? I think it is.
This is already been discussed several times.
I did answer again you just continue to not like the answer.
Yes! Pentecost was the first time that the Holy Spirit could dwell within someone permanently.Are you saying that Scripture teaches that the comforter did not come until Pentecost or at any other time in the New Testament?
To God Be The Glory
ERROR – I am confident that you have no inkling as to understand the word “foreknew / foreknowledge,” therefore, I am challenging you, what is the meaning of the word “foreknew” in biblical terms and not by way of the secular dictionary?
To God Be The Glory
I do not remember asking you this. I think you assume you know what I am saying.
Is it a good work to love God? Is it something good to do?
That's an excellent idea since it totally refutes Calvinism....I am challenging you, what is the meaning of the word “foreknew” in biblical terms...
Yes! Pentecost was the first time that the Holy Spirit could dwell within someone permanently
No, to you "I thought so". You may know all the Bible words, but you don't know "His thoughts and ways" about them. Therefore, you have no other option but to "lean unto your own understanding" .I thought so. As I've suspected all along you do not know your Bible. Read Psalms 51:11
To God Be The Glory
Another DODGE instead of honesty. God so loved THE WORLD, but that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Why are Calvinists dishonest with Scripture?"Enoch111
[So according to the "BIBLE DEFINITION" God "knew beforehand" those who would (1) love Him and (2) be fit to be conformed to the image (likeness) of His Son.]
lol..wrong again;
19 We love him, because he first loved us.
There is nothing confusing in what I have said.Is not our knowledge of being saved also the same as one who is conforming to the image of Christ's spirit? And is this knowledge of our salvation the same as God's foreknowledge of our salvation? And is this knowledge of our salvation then our own destiny (unless you do not believe in OSAS) and therefore God's pre-destiny for us?
Let me try and understand your response...and regardless on what a Calvinist thinks.There is nothing confusing in what I have said.
1. Calvinists teach that some are predestined for eternal life (salvation).
2. The Bible says that eternal life is God's gift to the one who repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ and that all may be saved.
3. If no one is predestined for eternal life (which is Bible truth) then what is the purpose of predestination?
4. The answer is clearly given in Romans 8:29 -- For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
5. No one is automatically perfected and made sinless when they are saved. But God's ultimate purpose is not only to save from the penalty and power of sin, but to save from the very presence of sin. Render each child of God perfect.
6. Thus we have the next verse: Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
7. So glorification is all about perfection, and perfection is all about being fully conformed to the image of His son. None of us is presently sinless or glorified. But we are saved, and we are being sanctified by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit. At the Resurrection/Rapture we shall all be perfected: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 Jn 3:2)
So I trust this matter is now crystal clear.
4. The answer is clearly given in Romans 8:29 -- For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.There is nothing confusing in what I have said.
1. Calvinists teach that some are predestined for eternal life (salvation).
2. The Bible says that eternal life is God's gift to the one who repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ and that all may be saved.
3. If no one is predestined for eternal life (which is Bible truth) then what is the purpose of predestination?
4. The answer is clearly given in Romans 8:29 -- For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
5. No one is automatically perfected and made sinless when they are saved. But God's ultimate purpose is not only to save from the penalty and power of sin, but to save from the very presence of sin. Render each child of God perfect.
6. Thus we have the next verse: Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
7. So glorification is all about perfection, and perfection is all about being fully conformed to the image of His son. None of us is presently sinless or glorified. But we are saved, and we are being sanctified by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit. At the Resurrection/Rapture we shall all be perfected: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 Jn 3:2)
So I trust this matter is now crystal clear.
It is the very same word -- proginóskó -- which is used elsewhere and means exactly the same thing -- knew beforehand. So once again your bomb is a damp squib, and you are also trying to make Scripture mean what you want it to mean, vainly trying to support false doctrines. That is called wresting or twisting the Scriptures.2) “God hath not cast away his people he foreknew…”
God so loved the worldAnother DODGE instead of honesty. God so loved THE WORLD, but that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Why are Calvinists dishonest with Scripture?
It shows the great importance of humbling ourselves before the grace of God.No, they are chosen if God chooses them. Saying they can choose themselves unto salvation is like saying babies birth themselves. Sorry, doesn't happen.