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  1. ReChoired

    ReChoired Well-Known Member

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    No. I do not ever teach, nor say that I have interpreted the scriptures correctly. That is an error. Scripture interprets scripture (ie God interprets).

    Gen 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

    Dan 2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
    Dan 2:29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
    Dan 2:30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.

    Dan 2:36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.

    Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

    Dan 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

    Luk_24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

    Luk_24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

    2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

    Therefore, I do not interpret. God does. I simply "Amen" what God said, by repeating what God said therein, by citing it. Anyone which teaches that they interpret scripture has not understood scripture. God defined His own words in scripture (it is self contained), even line upon line, Isaiah 28:10,13, which is why Isaiah 8:20 was previously given, and so many other texts.
     
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    Yet that is exactly what I do not mean.
     
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    I already answered this, but I don't know if you are going to respond as you past mine up as it was a question. I will answer another way.

    The answer to your question is that Jesus did not come to teach the Ten Commandments. Those were His Father's commandments that He kept. But He preached a deeper set of commandments than the surface commandments of the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments could not make anyone holy. They were only given because of transgressions UNTIL Christ came. Galatians 3:19
    19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made.

    John 15:10
    10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

    There is more to why Jesus came, but that should answer your question regarding the Old Covenant commandments. Exodus 34:28
     
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    I think everybody left without saying good night. Oh well. I'll go to be too. Good night!
     
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    Keep reading and praying...you haven't got it yet.

    Or you could hear what the Spirit says, see with their eyes, and hear with the ears, and understand with your heart, and return and be healed.
     
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    God is spirit.

    Which makes you the one preaching a "dangerous heresy." You are exalting the flesh and speaking against the Spirit--biblically, there is only one who does that. But you are not alone, it's called the great apostasy.

    But this you do, unintentionally serving the devil, only by misinterpretation. You have not perceived the difference between the resurrection of Christ and His ascension...one is in the flesh, and the other is not, but in the spirit. Have you not read of the "fist resurrection" and "the last?" Jesus rose from the dead in the flesh to demonstrate his victory over death and His overcoming the world, but He did not ascend in the flesh. He committed His body to His church, and His spirit [only] to the Father in heaven.

    This is what is written...but you did not perceive it. Which means, No, you do not have good reason to believe what you believe.
     
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    The only doctrine that I ever rejected and do now accept is the 'gifts of the Holy Spirit'. I was aware of it and just did not believe it to be so. It took some time in studying the Scriptures that I came to see it was indeed true.

    I am dispensational but wasn't always. But, it was not that I was aware of the doctrine and rejected it. I simply didn't know anything about it and wasn't taught it growing up. When I did come in contact with it, I embraced it wholeheartedly. It provided the key to many questions I had.

    You ask if 'dispensationalism' could be incorrect? I doubt anyone will claim they are infallible. So, I could be wrong in somethings I understand to be in the Bible. But I believe dispensationalism is correct and true in it's presentation of Biblical truth.

    Concerning (Rom. 9:6) Israel is who is addressed. And all who are of Israel are not Israel.

    Concerning (Rom. 9:7-8) All children of God are addressed. They are contrasted with the children of the flesh.

    In other words, those who make up the true national body of Israel, will be those Israelites who are children of God. Not the Israelites who are not. And those who make up the Spiritual Body of the Church, will be those Christians who are children of God. Not those who just attend church.

    I think I have always believed that Christ could return anytime. And I admit that the way things are being structured in the world today, it certainly looks like it will be soon.

    Stranger
     
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    I believe we are currently living in the fifth seal. The anti-Christ doesn't appear until the sixth seal is opened. The 7 years of tribulation hasn't started yet, and that must occur before the seventh trump sounds announcing the return of Christ.
     
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    What commandments was Jesus referring to here?:

    Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
    Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
     
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    Interesting, what verse/s speaks of 7 years of tribulation? I have never read that in scripture.

    I believe we are in the midst of the sixth seal, nearing its ending.

    These have past:

    Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
    Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

    This has not yet occurred:

    Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

    In effect, we are between the two final great earthquakes, with the final yet to come, just as the time between Christ's death and resurrection, there were also two such earthquakes, with silence in between.
     
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    What of the claim of Papal infallibility?
     
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    God is a spirit.
     
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    Actually had a surprise 'preachment' that needed to be done, and so in season out of season, and had to leave quickly.
     
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    Christ Jesus, before He was crucified [Matthew 20:19, 23:34, 26:2, 27:22,23,26,31,35,38,44, 28:5; Mark 15:13,14,15,20,24,25,27,32, 16:6; Luke 23:21,23,33, 24:7, 24:20; John 19:6,10,15,16,18,20,23,32,41; Acts 2:23,36, 4:10; Romans 6:6; 1 Corinthians 1:13,23, 2:2,8; 2 Corinthians 13:4; Galatians 2:20, 3:1, 5:24, 6:14; Hebrews 6:6; Revelation 11:8 KJB], had a crown of thorns [Genesis 22:13; Matthew 27:29; Mark 15:17; John 19:2,5 KJB] placed onto His head, scarring Him, then afterward they later took Him to be nailed to the Cross of Calvary [Matthew 10:38, 16:24, 27:32,40,42; Mark 8:34, 10:21, 15:21,30,32; Luke 9:23, 14:27, 23:26; John 19:17,19,25,31; 1 Corinthians 1:17,18; Galatians 5:11, 6:12,14; Ephesians 2:16; Philippians 2:8, 3:18; Colossians 1:20, 2:14; Hebrews 12:2 KJB], being hung upon the tree [Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29; Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24 KJB], having therefore wounds placed in his hands, and his feet [Psalms 22:16 KJB]. Then in His death, a soldier pierced [Zechariah 12:10; Revelation 1:7 KJB] His side with a spear [John 19:34,37 KJB], opening up another.

    Notice what John experienced:

    Rev_1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

    Jesus ascended with a real glorified body, to a real place (3rd Heaven), to a real Person (that of the Father), and actually sat down with the glorified body upon the right hand of His Father upon the real physical throne of Heaven:

    Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    Jesus will return in the glorified flesh, even with the eternal reminder of his wounds, which will be the only reminder of all this:

    Hab_3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.

    Habakkuk 3:3 reveals that it is speaking of His second coming, for in it “His glory covered the heavens” [see Matthew 16:27; Mark 8:38, etc KJB]. In the further context [v 5-6], it is justice, the wrath of god, even the “pestilence” goes before Him [even as the plagues are poured out before and at his coming], being laid unto the earth, and so on. It is borrowing language from previous events from Egypt and using them in an eschatological prophecy. Therefore, in vs 4, we see Jesus still having the light shine forth from His wounds, in his immortal humanity. For in His sacrifice, is His love shown and demonstrated to all the universe, therein is the power of God - of which we will always and ever have undeniable evidence of. Sin shall not arise a second time.

    Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

    Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
    Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

    To spiritualize God, to make him without body, is to vaporize the entire reward, heaven itself, the throne of God and His eternal Law in the fires of spiritualism. Yet in eternity, there are those who will still see those wounds and ask Him:

    Zec 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

    Jesus, who asked Thomas to place his hand in His side, and finger in his hands, said:

    Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    This was before he met with the Apostles. He ascends to his Father and comes back to His disciples, then stays around for 40 days and ascends from the Mt. Olivet 10 days before Pentecost, and even then in Revelation 5:6; Psalms 133:1-3; Acts 2:1-3,33, etc we still see Jesus as being represented as the one 'slain':

    Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
    Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

    Joh 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

    Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
    Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
    Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
    Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
    Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

    Psalms 68:17-18, cited by Paul in the NT (Ephesians 4), show that Christ Jesus ascended as the "Son of Man", just as Daniel shows and not as an aetheral essence or perfume that pervades the universe.
     
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    Then perhaps you might address the questions that farouk did not?

    I would be interested in your answers.
     
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    The Spirit brings you to God in an inner peace, love and joy. Holiness is both in a fear and a peace. The devil seeks to confirm you away from God in yourself.
     
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    You say "The Spirit":

    1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    You say "love", so here is how the bible defines that:

    1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
    2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

    Why? Because the Law of God is His character (love) in written form:

    Exo 33:12 And Moses said unto the LORD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.
    Exo 33:13 Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
    Exo 33:14 And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.

    Mat_11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    Exo 33:15 And he said unto him, If thy presence go not with me, carry us not up hence.
    Exo 33:16 For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.
    Exo 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
    Exo 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
    Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
    Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
    Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
    Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
    Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

    Exo 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
    Exo 34:2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.
    Exo 34:3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.
    Exo 34:4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
    Exo 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
    Exo 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
    Exo 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
    Exo 34:8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.
    Exo 34:9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.

    Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
    Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
    Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
    Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
    Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
    Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
    Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
    Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
    Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
    Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
    Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
    Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
     
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    Actually, this is what I DO believe, I just did not expound as I did not have scriptures handy and had to get off line...Yes...I do believe we will be in Heaven on Judgement day as we all have to stand before His throne? Not so sure but am leaning towards Heaven being where the wedding supper of The Lamb will take place. I have a question for you (if you don't mind) that was posed by another friend on here : Who are the guests at the Wedding Feast? I have heard and read differing opinions.
    Happy and Blessed Thanksgiving to you and yours!
     
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    Yeah, there is that! Lol...I cannot say much about these verses as the meaning has not sunk in yet...I simply do not understand them and cannot seem to separate the literal from the figurative John...All I can come up with right now is that, God's true followers DO have the Kingdom of God inside them (Holy Spirit and His Word)...unbelievers do not so...until He wipes out all of His enemies then we will see the fruition of the true Kingdom on this Earth?
     
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    Oh, I can't watch this anymore. It seems the older I become, the less meat I desire...AND, it is because of those videos you posted. I have seen such before and it breaks my heart to pieces. God never meant for people OR animals to eat meat :(
     
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