Biblical Support v Explicit Biblical Teaching

[Amazed@grace]

Talked to a CLC guy yesterday. He put it this way. There are 3 levels of conviction that people confuse.

1. Dogma
2. Doctrine
3. Preference

Dogma, he said, is what you are willing to die over, e.g. a Christian would rather die than renounce Christ. Doctrine is a set of principles and beliefs, e.g., the many nuanced differences among the denominations. Preferences are Scripture verses that particularly appeal to an individual.

Again, the CDL guy said people confuse these 3; that our mission is not to harangue each other over doctrine but to spread the Good News.

CDL?

 

[Wrangler]

I think you must have known that was where it would head to, especially when you linked

Unfortunately. I tried to answer a specific question but generally found when passions run deep, people confuse dogma, doctrine and personal preferences as the CLC guy said yesterday.

For instance, I came across a verse yesterday that support a doctrine that God is the source of all evil as well as good. I forget what denomination holds this doctrine but the verse supporting it is Isaiah 45:7 (creates woe).

 

[Wrangler]

CDL?

Christian
Leadership
Council

 

[Amazed@grace]

Christian
Leadership
Council

Thank you. I want to write CLC, really I did. Mondays!

 

[Amazed@grace]

No hate. Just truth. And why in the world would I do anything but love Amazed@grace. You funny!

Hate filled was extreme on my part. I apologize.
I was miffed over something that had occurred earlier, unrelated to you, and let that upset carry over to you and your post. Because I let the LOL's in that post connect with the similar behavior of that other person cause me to unload my upset over their behavior upon yours.
Forgive me.

You get into referencing the spiritual as if it justifies any manner of false beliefs because you can say anything about the spiritual because nothing can be proven. God the Father and God the Son interacted all through the Gospels, all you have to do is read. Did John 3:16 say, God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten....self. LOL

Yes. Because the spiritual is the thread within the tapestry of the full gospel.

Begotten = monogenes

Have you read Colossians 1?

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

God in his grace provides salvation to the world in a new covenant.

What better way to bless the world and with the good news of God's saving grace than to arrive and dispense it himself as the prophecied Messiah.

And to inform the people of this and having the assurance this is God and his good news delivered into the world, his angel informed Mary she was to name his only begotten son, Immanuel.

All true...still God the Father...God the Son...and God the Holy Spirit.
LOL add....How many Apostles do you think there were?

Before or after the ascension?

 

[Wrangler]

Hate filled was extreme on my part. I apologize.
I was miffed over something that had occurred earlier, unrelated to you, and let that upset carry over to you and your post. Because I let the LOL's in that post connect with the similar behavior of that other person cause me to unload my upset over their behavior upon yours.
Forgive me.

I was not even attributing your post to me. Thank God.

Please, do not turn this thread into a trinitarian debate. Thanks.

If you cannot segregate in your mind an explicit teaching from merely a doctrine you hold where verses seem to support it, please just skip this thread. Thanks again.

 

[Amazed@grace]

I was not even attributing your post to me. Thank God.

Why are you taking personally a post I made to Grailhunter, whom I quoted in my response to them.

Please, do not turn this thread into a trinitarian debate. Thanks.

If you cannot segregate in your mind an explicit teaching from merely a doctrine you hold where verses seem to support it, please just skip this thread. Thanks again.

See above.

 

[Grailhunter]

Hate filled was extreme on my part. I apologize.
I was miffed over something that had occurred earlier, unrelated to you, and let that upset carry over to you and your post. Because I let the LOL's in that post connect with the similar behavior of that other person cause me to unload my upset over their behavior upon yours.
Forgive me.

You are gladly forgiven. You may not know me, but I fervently support the Christian feminine voice...even if we do not agree.

Have you read Colossians 1?

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

God in his grace provides salvation to the world in a new covenant.

What better way to bless the world and with the good news of God's saving grace than to arrive and dispense it himself as the prophecied Messiah.

And to inform the people of this and having the assurance this is God and his good news delivered into the world, his angel informed Mary she was to name his only begotten son, Immanuel.

All true, but that is all reality...that is not what I am talking about. Both the physical and the spiritual are real. But the only way you can quote the spiritual is if you have had a visitation. And then, not everyone is going to believe you.

All true...still God the Father...God the Son...and God the Holy Spirit. Before or after the ascension?

Before

 

[Amazed@grace]

You are gladly forgiven. You may not know me, but I fervently support the Christian feminine voice...even if we do not agree.

Good to know.

All true, but that is all reality...that is not what I am talking about. Both the physical and the spiritual are real. But the only way you can quote the spiritual is if you have had a visitation. And then, not everyone is going to believe you.

I'm at a loss there. The bible was given to us through inspiration of holy spirit God.

Would you reword your response that I better understand what you mean?

Before

Roughly about 120.

 

[Grailhunter]

I'm at a loss there. The bible was given to us through inspiration of holy spirit God.

God is real, the physical is real, and the spiritual is real and man is real....so the Bible is real....That is clear right?

 

[Amazed@grace]

God is real, the physical is real, and the spiritual is real and man is real....so the Bible is real....That is clear right?

Right.

 

[BarneyFife]

I know it is unfortunate. I did not want to debate any doctrines in this thread; only the notion of explicit teaching v support. I used several examples. And the intention was just that, an example of doctrines that are debated. What do you think about Soul Sleep?

I've heard it categorized as 'fringe' but there is more support for it than against, IMO. A video explained how people like the idea that a dearly beloved is 'looking down at them from heaven.' While comforting, it seems to totally go against the whole resurrection on Judgment Day revelation. Thoughts?

"Our friend Lazareth sleepeth."

"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

 

[BarneyFife]

Unfortunately. I tried to answer a specific question but generally found when passions run deep, people confuse dogma, doctrine and personal preferences as the CLC guy said yesterday.

For instance, I came across a verse yesterday that support a doctrine that God is the source of all evil as well as good. I forget what denomination holds this doctrine but the verse supporting it is Isaiah 45:7 (creates woe).

Calvinism--it's here and there.

 

[Wrangler]

Calvinism--it's here and there.

You know, I've read this a number of times. Is Calvinism = predestination? Or is there more to that?

 

[Wrangler]

"Our friend Lazareth sleepeth."

"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Perhaps you have not read my protestations of Middle English. What does this mean in modern English? Pro-soul sleep or anti-soul sleep?

 

[Amazed@grace]

God is real, the physical is real, and the spiritual is real and man is real....so the Bible is real....That is clear right?

So, what's next? I answered, "Right" , to your post there. Is there more?

 

[Grailhunter]

So, what's next? I answered, "Right" , to your post there. Is there more?

God is real, the physical is real, and the spiritual is real and man is real....so the Bible is real....That is clear right?

The point is that it all has a spiritual connection. There is enough with that to keep us busy.

 

[Wrangler]

So, what's next? I answered, "Right" , to your post there. Is there more?

Who is your question directed to?

 

[Amazed@grace]

Who is your question directed to?

Grailhunter.
You have Grailhunter on ignore. Otherwise, you would see I quoted his post before making the reply you have there.

 

[Amazed@grace]

God is real, the physical is real, and the spiritual is real and man is real....so the Bible is real....That is clear right?

The point is that it all has a spiritual connection. There is enough with that to keep us busy.

I agree there is enough of that.
However, I don't see how your prior observation, posted for context: All true, but that is all reality...that is not what I am talking about. Both the physical and the spiritual are real. But the only way you can quote the spiritual is if you have had a visitation. And then, not everyone is going to believe you.

Relates to your latest observation.

In particular this is the part that is confusing given the inumerable posts that discuss the spiritual here.
But the only way you can quote the spiritual is if you have had a visitation. And then, not everyone is going to believe you.

If that in bold were true, there
would be no bible would there?
God, the holy spirit, would need make a visitation to everyone he wanted to deliver from sin.

And if the very last were the case, And then, not everyone is going to believe you, would mean there would be very few Christians. And even fewer pastors .