John 1:1 looked at HONESTLY!

[marks]

I take it you ignore Christ's words?

Take whatever you like, and express such opinions as you have, I'm sure!

God raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus raised Himself from the dead. The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. Who raised Jesus from the dead?

Our Triune God raised Him from the dead.

Much love!

 

[marks]

So, here we have the Father, in direct address to the Son, call Him "God". In the Greek it is, "ὁ Θεὸς", which has the definite artice, and cannot be translated as "god"

Interestingly, in the passage which reads, "the god of this world has blinded their eyes", "ho theos" is used there. The one place that doesn't seem to be of the true God. Is that right?

Much love!

 

[theQuestioneer]

God raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus raised Himself from the dead. The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. Who raised Jesus from the dead? Our Triune God raised Him from the dead.

The Book of Marks!
So, God/Jesus/Ghost/Trinity- raised him from the dead if ALIVE?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Honestly that sounds like Copeland heresy, implying Jesus was a sinner and was "born again" in Hell. lol

Who said Jesus was born a sinner? And born again in Hell? How do you get that from what I said? Give me a break man.

My sins were imputed to him. So he could pay for them. He was not born a sinner.

You seem to have a comprehension problem.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Interestingly, in the passage which reads, "the god of this world has blinded their eyes", "ho theos" is used there. The one place that doesn't seem to be of the true God. Is that right?

Much love!

in the passage you refer to in 2 Corinthians 4:4, we do have "ο θεος" used for the devil, which is done so functionally in the Greek. As He is THE god of this world, as there is no other. This makes it a definite statement. the use here is much different to when use with the Father and Jesus Christ, and even with the Holy Spirit.

 

[theQuestioneer]

Marks
God raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus raised Himself from the dead. The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. Who raised Jesus from the dead? Our Triune God raised Him from the dead.
The Book of Marks!


So, God/Jesus/Ghost/Trinity- raised him from the dead if ALIVE?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Thank you for those verses, BGTF.

I was headed in the same direction with all the times Jesus was worshiped, none of which did He ever say "Do not worship Me."

(Matthew 2:2,11; 14:33; 20:20; 28:17)
(John 9:38)

In Hebrews 1:6, God the Father is speaking about Jesus Christ, where it says: "And let all the angels of God worship Him"

The Emphatic Diaglott version published by the Jehovah's Witnesses, reads: "And let worship him all messengers of God"

Interesting, that in their 1969 edition of the Kingdom Interlinear, the JW's in the right hand English translation, have "let all God's angels worship him". However, in their 1985 editon, they changed it to "do obeisance"! Such is their dishonesty!

 

[theQuestioneer]

Churchianity, as usual, has forgotten what "worship" has meant in the past: "The highest honor". Shown when royalty was around, or one of their representatives. By worshiping their Trine Polytheism, they COMPLETELY ignore such things like~

Dan 7:13- I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven,
and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before Him. 14- And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. -KJV

(See Heb 1)

 

[Renniks]

No buts. God is a God of order, not chaos. While God knows everything, he does not know nonsense, like square circles or trinitarianism.

Lol, you put what we " know " on the same level as what God knows. Rules of time and space can't apply to an infinite being.

 

[theQuestioneer]

"Rules of time and space can't apply to an infinite being" - so Imaginary Fabrications ARE?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Try finding THAT in any translation!

Well go back to the original languages and learn!

Elohim--plural of Elowah
Adonai- plural of Adon
One in the Shma is "echad" which is used in hebrew for a compound ONE-- We would say the New York Yankess is one baseball team that has 25 co-equal players

Then Jesus being called God in multiple places and the Spirit called God- not to hard to understand!

But I am going to ask you to take a hard look at teh SHMA and think:

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

The actual translation of this verse is this:

"Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one". If they knew
god was only a single entity and not a triune God why would you have to say this? This is a superfluous use of one that makes God kind of bad at grammar. But when you understand that God was slowly revealing His true self over time- it makes sense that Yahweh (S) our Elohim (p), Yahweh is one (ordinal and not cardinal one)

 

[theQuestioneer]

Well go back to the original languages and learn!

Elohim--plural of Elowah
Adonai- plural of Adon
One in the Shma is "echad" which is used in hebrew for a compound ONE-- We would say the New York Yankess is one baseball team that has 25 co-equal players

Then Jesus being called God in multiple places and the Spirit called God- not to hard to understand!

But I am going to ask you to take a hard look at teh SHMA and think:

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

The actual translation of this verse is this:

"Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one". If they knew
god was only a single entity and not a triune God why would you have to say this? This is a superfluous use of one that makes God kind of bad at grammar. But when you understand that God was slowly revealing His true self over time- it makes sense that Yahweh (S) our Elohim (p), Yahweh is one (ordinal and not cardinal one)

Well, I cannot help you if you ignore Jesus' words, much less have a warped view of Hebrew, and use a Twisted Translation.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Correct there is only one compound god who exists in three separate entities- Father, Son and Spirit.

Your language is not what the Bible teaches. God is One Being, but cannot be as "three separate entities", as this will make this as "separate" from each other, by independent existence. The "essence" of "nature" of the Godhead is United in ONE, not three "parts".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well, I cannot help you if you ignore Jesus' words, much less have a warped view of Hebrew, and use a Twisted Translation.

Well making allegations is easy, but actually provisding proof of yoru allegations requires integrity of purpose. So I await you rebutting my "warped view of Hebrew".

I also await your evidence that the KJV is a twisted translation. but if it will make you more comfortable, there are about 35 other English translations in English we could use.
I like the KJV because the most greek and hebrew linguistic tools have been tied to the KJV so one can see the deeper meaning from th eoriginals.

all tranlsations have flaws. When you go from language to another, things can and do get lost, so I await your attempts to prove your allegations.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Your language is not what the Bible teaches. God is One Being, but cannot be as "three separate entities", as this will make this as "separate" from each other, by independent existence. The "essence" of "nature" of the Godhead is United in ONE, not three "parts".

So Jesus is declared god in the bible and the Apostle John declared him equal with God. Jesus is called Yahweh, The Father and the Son are both called the first and last.

So is it your contention when Yahweh (Jesus is called that) was on earth, heaven was void of God?

 

[Wrangler]

Lol, you put what we " know " on the same level as what God knows. Rules of time and space can't apply to an infinite being.

LOL Knowledge is knowledge. Regardless of whether you are in 1st grade or 1B grade, 1 = 1 and not 3.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

So Jesus is declared god in the bible and the Apostle John declared him equal with God. Jesus is called Yahweh, The Father and the Son are both called the first and last.

So is it your contention when Yahweh (Jesus is called that) was on earth, heaven was void of God?

The Persons in the Godhead are "distinct" but not "separate". The Father never became Man, nor did the Holy Spirit. It was the Word that became flesh, Who is Jesus Christ. Not the Father or the Holy Spirit. It was Jesus Christ Who died for our sins on the cross, Not the Father or the Holy Spirit, etc. You cannot confound the Three Persons.

 

[Wrangler]

The Persons in the Godhead are "distinct" but not "separate".

This invention of personhood is why I use the term being. God is one being, one head, the Father. It is stated in Scripture over and over again.

 

[theQuestioneer]

Well making allegations is easy, but actually provisding proof of yoru allegations requires integrity of purpose. So I await you rebutting my "warped view of Hebrew".

I also await your evidence that the KJV is a twisted translation. but if it will make you more comfortable, there are about 35 other English translations in English we could use.
I like the KJV because the most greek and hebrew linguistic tools have been tied to the KJV so one can see the deeper meaning from th eoriginals.

all tranlsations have flaws. When you go from language to another, things can and do get lost, so I await your attempts to prove your allegations.

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Well for starters NO translation refers to God as "Them" or "They".
Read up some NON-CHURCH definitions of the Hebrew.
The King James removes God's Name in most of 7,000 places (like most translations), and substitutes "Lord".
The original Hebrew name of God re-discovered in 1,000 Bible manuscripts
Not to mention MANY, MANY mistakes and Archaic English...

 

[kcnalp]

The entire Bible is unitarian text. It is trinitarians who are twisting it.

I don't know what your obsession is with JW, but neither the VOICE translation nor I am JW.

Ah, so you're Unitarian! You deny Jesus is God and Hell fire is eternal. My "obsession" is defending the Bible from Satan's children. Is the VOICE translation online? Should be easy to disprove the VOICE. As is the NWT.