John 1:1 looked at HONESTLY!

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Jesus is Lord!

now tell us Lord does not mean God!

lk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Jn 1: 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

Jesus is Lord, Lord is God!

Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
 

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LOL Knowledge is knowledge. Regardless of whether you are in 1st grade or 1B grade, 1 = 1 and not 3.
Not if you are God. This reality we see is just a tiny pinhole of what is. Faith is the evidence of things not seen, not what we understand.
 

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In the Book of Hebrews chapter 1, we have God the Father address Jesus Christ, firstly in verse 8, where He says:

"and unto the Son: `Thy throne, O God, is to the age of the age; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy reign"

Even in the Unitarian New Testament by Dr George Noyes, it reads:

"but to the Son: Thy throne O God is for ever and ever"

So, here we have the Father, in direct address to the Son, call Him "God". In the Greek it is, "ὁ Θεὸς", which has the definite artice, and cannot be translated as "god"

Then, in this same chapter in Hebrews, in verses 10-12, the Father continues to address Jesus Christ:

"and, `Thou, at the beginning, Lord, the earth didst found, and a work of thy hands are the heavens; these shall perish, and Thou dost remain, and all, as a garment, shall become old, and as a mantle Thou shall roll them together, and they shall be changed, and Thou art the same, and Thy years shall not fail.'"

This is direct Creation as the Act of Jesus Christ, as Testified by God the Father. Note, also, that here "Lord", is the equivalent to Yahweh. In fact, these words are from Psalm 102:24:27, which is used for Elohim, Almighty God:

"I say, `My God, take me not up in the midst of my days,' Through all generations are Thine years. Beforetime the earth Thou didst found, And the work of Thy hands are the heavens. They—They perish, and Thou remainest, And all of them as a garment become old, As clothing Thou changest them, And they are changed. And Thou art the same, and Thine years are not finished."

Now, if Jesus Christ was not The Actual Creator of the entire universe, then the words Spoken by the Father in Hebrews, are a mistake! Which is IMPOSSIBLE.


One of us has a lack of understanding sir. You are clearly saying Jesus is God, I say he is not. We both cannot be correct, so therefore why not let Jesus answer it. Jesus asked this very question to his apostles: Who are men saying I am? The question was answered by Peter, and Jesus confirmed that God had revealed it to him, therefore Peter answered correctly. So what was the actual answer?
 
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Say it plain. Your Jesus is a sinner and Michael is your savior?

I doubt I could have stated it plainer sir, but may I ask, what part of what I said would lead you to ask a question such as that?

Here is my answer however, we believe Jesus is Michael, and he has never sinned, either in heaven or on earth. We believe he was the greatest man who ever lived, as well as the highest angel in heaven, called the Archangel (highest angel) in the Bible, subject only to Jehovah Himself.
 

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One of us has a lack of understanding sir. You are clearly saying Jesus is God, I say he is not. We both cannot be correct, so therefore why not let Jesus answer it. Jesus asked this very question to his apostles: Who are men saying I am? The question was answered by Peter, and Jesus confirmed that God had revealed it to him, therefore Peter answered correctly. So what was the actual answer?

check out my earlier thread, Jesus Christ Asserts Himself As YAHWEH
 

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Unto you first God, having raised up his Servant, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities. (Acts 3:26)

If they don't believe the Servant that God raised up, they are not going to believe anyone else.
 

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Unto you first God, having raised up his Servant, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities. (Acts 3:26)

If they don't believe the Servant that God raised up, they are not going to believe anyone else.
Are you representing Kingdom Hall? If so, why do you reject the NWT?
 

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Are you representing Kingdom Hall? If so, why do you reject the NWT?

When you reject scripture, it allows me to see who you really are. Rejecting the Servant that God raised to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities. (Acts 3:26) Would receive forgiveness of sin, unless you have rejected him.

Take Care.
 

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The truth never changes. "No man has seen God at any time" (John 1:18)

Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
 
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When you reject scripture, it allows me to see who you really are. Rejecting the Servant that God raised to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities. (Acts 3:26) Would receive forgiveness of sin, unless you have rejected him.

Take Care.
You didn't answer the question. lol

"why do you reject the NWT?"

Oh, another question for you. Is Michael your savior? Jesus is my Savior!
 
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It was God who gave the commandments, do you think a mere man can change them?
Matt 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
 

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Even though several religions make the claim God has two natures, Jesus Christ points out that God is one nature.
"God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24)

"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23)
 

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Even though several religions make the claim God has two natures, Jesus Christ points out that God is one nature.
"God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24)

"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23)
Even though several religions make the claim God has two natures, Jesus Christ points out that God is one nature.
"God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24)

"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23)
Come on Bro, tell us why you reject the NWT! I won't tell Kingdom Hall on you.
 

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The NWT in Isaiah 9:6, as a Name for Jesus Christ, reads, "Mighty God", yes, with a capital G. so they now believe in TWO GODS!!!

Mighty is Mighty but Almighty is Almighty. Jesus was begotten by the Almighty God. (John 3:16) Unto you first God, having raised up his Servant, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities. (Acts 3:26)

If they don't believe the Servant that God raised up, they are not going to believe anyone else.
 

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Mighty is Mighty but Almighty is Almighty. Jesus was begotten by the Almighty God. (John 3:16) Unto you first God, having raised up his Servant, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities. (Acts 3:26)

If they don't believe the Servant that God raised up, they are not going to believe anyone else.
Are you a "mighty god? lol