The Millennial Kingdom

[Ronald David Bruno]

Ever considered that the ALL Israel that are mentioned in Romans 11 (who are the believing remnant from among the house of Judah + the believing remnant from among the nations), is the same ALL Israel listed in Revelation 7:1-9 (don't leave out verse 9)?

No, there is a distinction made. Some of the branches were cut off so that The Gentile believers could be grafted in. So it will a remnant of the Jews (Israel),who will be grafted in. That number could be 5 million. The Multitude seen in heaven are billions.

Ever considered that just as in Romans 11 Paul says believing Gentiles are grafted into the olive tree among the believing remnant of the genetic descendants, so in Romans 9 Paul includes the Gentiles in the fulfillment of a prophecy in Hosea which refers to the house of Israel?

"neither, because they are Abraham’s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. 9 For this is a word of promise, According to this season will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. 10 And not only so; but Rebecca also having conceived by one, even by our father Isaac— 11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth, 12 it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 Even as it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." Rom. 9:7-13
Doesn't this imply that the seed if Esau will not be blessed. It will be Jacob's seed that is promised. That is a covenant given to Jacob's bloodline. Did the promise stop with Jesus? No. Why? We see the names of the 12 tribes in Revelation.
When names are given it is not symbolic for something else.

 

[Zao is life]

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13 & 4:30
Ephesians 1:13KJV

Well if you read my post more carefully, that's exactly what I'm saying.

* Romans 11:17 & 25-26 is ALL Israel, and includes all Gentiles and Jews who bellieve in Jesus

* Romans 9:24-26 is ALL Israel, and includes all Gentiles and Jews who bellieve in Jesus (see verse 24).

* Revelation 7:1-9 is ALL Israel, and includes all Gentiles and Jews who believe in Jesus (see verse 9).

Revelation 7:9 identifies the "144,000". The "144,000" are sealed once the full number of the Gentiles has come in. That's also when John is told to "measure the temple" (to count the sheep), Revelation 11:1-2.

The Sealed Church Is Protected

The sealed church is protected from all of this:

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.[/B]

But why are they worthy for the plague of blood (those who are worthy)?

It's because they shed the blood of saints and prophets, because the saints and prophets were not protected from this:

Revelation 13
7 And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation.
8 And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world.

15 And there was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might both speak, and might cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

If you believe that the plague of blood is going to come upon those who shed the blood of saints and prophets, then how can you believe the saints and prophets will escape what befalls those who do not worship the beast in Revelation 13?

If all dwelling on the earth will worship it, those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world., then who, except those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of Life, ae not going to worship the beast or its image?

And whose blood had those shed upon whom the plague of blood came in the second and third plagues (Revelation 16:3-7)?

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 13
7 And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation.
8 And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world.

What translation are you using that translates the (Personal Pronoun) (Him), as (It)?

Revelation 13:7-8KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Zao is life]

Right, I meant to say believing Gentiles - it was inferred. Of course not all Gentiles were grafted in - then there would be no purpose for a judgment/ Great Tribulation.


True


Have to disagree with this. All the remnant Israel, may include some 5 million Jews, which is much more than 144k. Plus they 144k are male virgins who have not defiled themselves with women.


The vine is spiritual. But the distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles in Rom. 11 speaks if bloodlines. Rev. 7 &14 speaks if bloodlines by name of the tribe. There is nothing symbolic when specific names are used. Like in rhe syory about Lazarus and the Rich man in Hades. Abraham is speaking to the Rich man. That is not an allegory or a parable. Details are specific - nothing abstract or symbolic in that story.
Bloodline made a difference from Abraham to Christ. So then it stopped there, after it served it's purpose?

So what is your position? Amillennial, Pre-millennial, Post-Millennial?

I lean toward premil until A-mil can explain how

(1) Satan has been "bound" (so unable to deceive the nations) when I can (and have) listed the New Testament verses which say the eact opposite; and

(2) How those who were beheaded for refusal to worship the beast are living and reigning with Christ for a thousands years backwards over time starting from the close of the millennium to the begiining of the millennium.

 

[Zao is life]

Have to disagree with this. All the remnant Israel, may include some 5 million Jews, which is much more than 144k.

* Romans 11:17 & 25-26 is ALL Israel, and includes all Gentiles and Jews who bellieve in Jesus

* Romans 9:24-26 is ALL Israel, and includes all Gentiles and Jews who bellieve in Jesus (see verse 24).

* Revelation 7:1-9 is ALL Israel, and includes all Gentiles and Jews who believe in Jesus (see verse 9).

Revelation 7:9 identifies the "144,000" (it's symbolic of thousands of thousands and tens of thousands times tens of thousands). The "144,000" are sealed once the full number of the Gentiles has come in. That's also when John is told to "measure the temple" (to count the sheep), Revelation 11:1-2.

 

[Curtis]

"All Israel" refers to the elect from among both the house of Israel and the house of Judah (i.e Gentiles and Jews who are elect through faith in Messiah). It refers to those who are called "the sons of the living God" through faith in Jesus - Jews and Gentiles alike.

The condition is: "And those also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in. For God is able to graft them in again." (Romans 11:23)

All Israel pertains to the nation of Israel, as the entire chapter makes crystal clear.

Jacob is unbelieving Israel. Jacob is not righteous now but will be when the deliverer appears coming out of Zion.

 

[Truth7t7]

I lean toward premil until A-mil can explain how

(1) Satan has been "bound" (so unable to deceive the nations) when I can (and have) listed the New Testament verses which say the eact opposite; and

(2) How those who were beheaded for refusal to worship the beast are living and reigning with Christ for a thousands years backwards over time starting from the close of the millennium to the begiining of the millennium.

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

I lean toward premil until A-mil can explain how
(2) How those who were beheaded for refusal to worship the beast are living and reigning with Christ for a thousands years backwards over time starting from the close of the millennium to the begiining of the millennium.

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Zao is life]

What translation are you using that translates the (Personal Pronoun) (Him), as (It)?

Revelation 13:7-8KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

You're arguing over semantics now. The Greek word autós is sometimes translated as "it" and sometimes as "he" because the word means "that beast that has just been mentioned":

Revelation 13:1
"And I stood on the sand of the sea, and I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns. And on autós (that beast's) horns were ten crowns, and on autós (that beasts') heads was the name of blasphemy."

It is a kingdom. He is its kling. So some Bibles translate it/him as "it", and some Bibles translate it as "he".

I use The KJV or the Modern King James or the Updated King James or the Young's Literal Translation or the Darby Bible (which despite his theologiical problems, is a very good translation, and his theology does not affect the translation). And I use the BBE, and others besides.

Your obesession with semantics is absurd.

 

[Truth7t7]

You're arguing over semantics now. The Greek word autós is sometimes translated as "it" and sometimes as "he" because the word means "that beast that has just been mentioned":

Revelation 13:1
"And I stood on the sand of the sea, and I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns. And on autós (that beast's) horns were ten crowns, and on autós (that beasts') heads was the name of blasphemy."

It is a kingdom. He is its kling. So some Bibles translate it/him as "it", and some Bibles translate it as "he".

I use The KJV or the Modern King James or the Updated King James or the Young's Literal Translation or the Darby Bible (which despite his theologiical problems, is a very good translation, and his theology does not affect the translation). And I use the BBE, and others besides.

Your obesession with semantics is absurd.

It's common courtesy to post the translation used, such as I use the (KJV) that I reference with all my scripture posted (Common Courtesy)

Revelation 13:7-8 (Darby)
7 And there was given to it to make war with the saints, and to overcome them; and there was given to it authority over every tribe, and people, and tongue, and nation;
8 and all that dwell on the earth shall do it homage, [every one] whose name had not been written from [the] founding of [the] world in the book of life of the slain Lamb.

Revelation 13:7-8KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Zao is life]

No, there is a distinction made. Some of the branches were cut off so that The Gentile believers could be grafted in.

They were not cut off "so that the Gentile believers could be grafted in". They were cut off because of their unbelief. So why did God have mercy on the Gentiles?

It's because when He broke the house of Israel off, he had mercy on the house of Judah. And I know you keep insisting that God does not regard Gentiles who beieve in Jesus as the house of Israel who had not received mercy, but now have received mercy (of whom it was said "You are not My people" who are now called "the sons of the living God" with the Jewish believers), but that doesn't matter. The Jews who did not believe were not broken off "so that the Gentile believers could be grafted in".

The Gentiles being grafted in is because of these scriptures below (and I'm going to trace it from the first century, backwards in time):

Romans 11
30 For as you also then disbelieved God, but now have been shown mercy through their disbelief,
31 even so these also have not believed now, so that through your mercy they may also obtain mercy.

Hosea 1
6b For I will no more have mercy on the house of Israel. But I will utterly take them away.
7 But I will have mercy on the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

Romans 9
25 As He also says in Hosea, "I will call those not My people, My people; and those not beloved, Beloved."
26 And it shall be, in the place where it was said to them. "You are not My people; there they shall be called sons of the living God."

Romans 11
30 For as you also then disbelieved God, but now have been shown mercy through their disbelief,
31 even so these also have not believed now, so that through your mercy they may also obtain mercy.

32 For God has shut up all in unbelief, so that He might show mercy to all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out!
34 For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor?
35 Or who first gave to Him, and it will be repaid to him?
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things; to Him be glory forever! Amen.

 

[Zao is life]

It's common courtesy to post the translation used, such as I use the (KJV) that I reference with all my scripture posted (Common Courtesy)

Revelation 13:7-8 (Darby)
7 And there was given to it to make war with the saints, and to overcome them; and there was given to it authority over every tribe, and people, and tongue, and nation;
8 and all that dwell on the earth shall do it homage, [every one] whose name had not been written from [the] founding of [the] world in the book of life of the slain Lamb.

Revelation 13:7-8KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 13 MODERN KING JAMES VERSION
7 And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongues and nation.
8 And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man has an ear, let him hear.

Happy now?

 

[Zao is life]

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

We've been through all this before, not long ago (less than a week ago). I gave you all the scriptures which prove to you that Satan has not been bound.

PS: I'm saying this in a friendly way: It's common courtesy to only put font in bold in the parts of the text that you want to emphasize. Placing all the text in bold which you continue to misinterpret does not make your misinterpretation correct, and it's so hard on the eyes that hardly anyone will read what you posted.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 13 MODERN KING JAMES VERSION
7 And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongues and nation.
8 And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man has an ear, let him hear.

Happy now?

MKJV - Modern King James Version

Sovereign Grace Publishers
Modern King James Version
of the Holy Bible
translated by
Jay P. Green Sr.

Wikipedia: Jay Patrick Green, Sr. (December 1, 1918 – May 20, 2008) was an ordained minister, Bible translator, publisher, and businessman.

• • King James I
• TRANSLATION OVERSEER
  • Richard Bancroft
• COMMITTEE OF TWO
• COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
• FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
• FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
• FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
• SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
• SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
• SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
• TRANSLATOR
  • Thomas Sparke
• PRINTER
  • Robert Barker
• CONTRIBUTORS
  • (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
  • John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
  • Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
  • John More (Map)
  • Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
  • Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)

INTRODUCTION
At least sixty men were directly involved in the translation of the King James Bible (hereinafter KJB). Most were Translators, while a few were project overseers, revisers and editors. Some served in several roles. Who were these men? What were their backgrounds? What did they share? In what ways were they different? They were a diverse group. While some were born in large cities and towns, most were from small villages scattered throughout England. Several were the children of university graduates, most were not. They were sons of mariners, farmers, school teachers, cordwainers (leather merchants), fletchers (makers of bows and arrows), ministers, brewers, tailors, and aristocrats. All were members of the Church of England, but their religious views ran the gamut. Some were ardent Puritans, others staunch defenders of the religious establishment. Some believed in pre-destination and limited salvation as taught by John Calvin, while others believed in self-determination and universal access to heaven as taught by Jacobus Arminius.

All of the Translators were university graduates. Oxford and Cambridge claimed nearly equal numbers of Translators as alumni. All of the Translators except one were ordained Church of England priests. While several of the Translators had traveled to the Continent, only one had ventured to the New World. Most of the Translators were married men (38 of 60) with families. Most of the Translators spent a significant portion of their career associated with their colleges and universities as fellows, involved in teaching and administration. As fellows, they were not allowed to marry. As a result many delayed marriage until they had established themselves in church office away from the university. When the translation commenced in 1604-1605, the majority of the Translators, 22, were in their forties, 16 men were in their thirties, 15 in their fifties, 3 in their sixties and 3 in their twenties.

One Translator died in his thirties, six in their forties, nineteen in their fifties, sixteen in their sixties, four in their seventies, three in their eighties and one, over one hundred. Nine of the Translators died before the KJB was published in the 1611.

Most of the Translators were in comfortable economic circumstances during and after their time involved in the translation. The association and friendships they developed during the translation project generally advanced their careers. Some of the Translators went on to high church and academic office. Five went on to serve as bishops and two as archbishops.

They all had a familiarity with the ancient languages of Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and often many more. They came on the historical scene at a time when the knowledge of early biblical texts and language was exploding. Such a flowering of interest and expertise was unique. Bible historian, Gordon Campbell, has observed:

The population from which scholars can now be drawn is much larger than in the seventeenth century, but it would be difficult now to bring together a group of more than fifty scholars with the range of languages and knowledge of other disciplines that characterized the KJB Translators. (Bible – The Story of the King James Version 1611-2011 Oxford, Gordon Campbell, Oxford University Press 2010.)
For such a diverse group, they worked together in harmony during a generally contentious time. They had disagreements, to be sure, but they labored on, year after year. There were no "tell all books" published after the fact. Miles Smith remarked in his preface to the KJB, the Translators "were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and sought truth rather than their own praise". They approached the task of translation with humility, understanding they were standing on the shoulders of giants like William Tyndale. Believers all, the Translators, according to Smith "craved the assistance of God's Spirit by prayer" as they proceeded in their work.

Though almost all were well known within the religious and academic community of the time, their involvement in the translation went largely unnoticed by the public. Their individual and group effort was not the subject of historical inquiry until many years after the fact. As a result, little information about the process of translation survived. The lives of the Translators and sometimes their very identity became obscured with time. In certain instances, the place of their birth and burial is unknown, and their family circumstance in doubt. Until this anniversary year, few could name even one Translator, let alone sixty. The following brief biographies are written in the hope to shed further light on these men who contributed so much.

 

[Truth7t7]

We've been through all this before, not long ago (less than a week ago). I gave you all the scriptures which prove to you that Satan has not been bound.

PS: I'm saying this in a friendly way: It's common courtesy to only put font in bold in the parts of the text that you want to emphasize. Placing all the text in bold which you continue to misinterpret does not make your misinterpretation correct, and it's so hard on the eyes that hardly anyone will read what you posted.

We Will Disagree

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

 

[Zao is life]

MKJV - Modern King James Version

Sovereign Grace Publishers
Modern King James Version
of the Holy Bible
translated by
Jay P. Green Sr.

Wikipedia: Jay Patrick Green, Sr. (December 1, 1918 – May 20, 2008) was an ordained minister, Bible translator, publisher, and businessman.

• • King James I
• TRANSLATION OVERSEER
  • Richard Bancroft
• COMMITTEE OF TWO
• COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
• FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
• FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
• FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
• SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
• SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
• SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
• TRANSLATOR
  • Thomas Sparke
• PRINTER
  • Robert Barker
• CONTRIBUTORS
  • (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
  • John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
  • Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
  • John More (Map)
  • Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
  • Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)

INTRODUCTION
At least sixty men were directly involved in the translation of the King James Bible (hereinafter KJB). Most were Translators, while a few were project overseers, revisers and editors. Some served in several roles. Who were these men? What were their backgrounds? What did they share? In what ways were they different? They were a diverse group. While some were born in large cities and towns, most were from small villages scattered throughout England. Several were the children of university graduates, most were not. They were sons of mariners, farmers, school teachers, cordwainers (leather merchants), fletchers (makers of bows and arrows), ministers, brewers, tailors, and aristocrats. All were members of the Church of England, but their religious views ran the gamut. Some were ardent Puritans, others staunch defenders of the religious establishment. Some believed in pre-destination and limited salvation as taught by John Calvin, while others believed in self-determination and universal access to heaven as taught by Jacobus Arminius.

All of the Translators were university graduates. Oxford and Cambridge claimed nearly equal numbers of Translators as alumni. All of the Translators except one were ordained Church of England priests. While several of the Translators had traveled to the Continent, only one had ventured to the New World. Most of the Translators were married men (38 of 60) with families. Most of the Translators spent a significant portion of their career associated with their colleges and universities as fellows, involved in teaching and administration. As fellows, they were not allowed to marry. As a result many delayed marriage until they had established themselves in church office away from the university. When the translation commenced in 1604-1605, the majority of the Translators, 22, were in their forties, 16 men were in their thirties, 15 in their fifties, 3 in their sixties and 3 in their twenties.

One Translator died in his thirties, six in their forties, nineteen in their fifties, sixteen in their sixties, four in their seventies, three in their eighties and one, over one hundred. Nine of the Translators died before the KJB was published in the 1611.

Most of the Translators were in comfortable economic circumstances during and after their time involved in the translation. The association and friendships they developed during the translation project generally advanced their careers. Some of the Translators went on to high church and academic office. Five went on to serve as bishops and two as archbishops.

They all had a familiarity with the ancient languages of Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and often many more. They came on the historical scene at a time when the knowledge of early biblical texts and language was exploding. Such a flowering of interest and expertise was unique. Bible historian, Gordon Campbell, has observed:

The population from which scholars can now be drawn is much larger than in the seventeenth century, but it would be difficult now to bring together a group of more than fifty scholars with the range of languages and knowledge of other disciplines that characterized the KJB Translators. (Bible – The Story of the King James Version 1611-2011 Oxford, Gordon Campbell, Oxford University Press 2010.)
For such a diverse group, they worked together in harmony during a generally contentious time. They had disagreements, to be sure, but they labored on, year after year. There were no "tell all books" published after the fact. Miles Smith remarked in his preface to the KJB, the Translators "were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and sought truth rather than their own praise". They approached the task of translation with humility, understanding they were standing on the shoulders of giants like William Tyndale. Believers all, the Translators, according to Smith "craved the assistance of God's Spirit by prayer" as they proceeded in their work.

Though almost all were well known within the religious and academic community of the time, their involvement in the translation went largely unnoticed by the public. Their individual and group effort was not the subject of historical inquiry until many years after the fact. As a result, little information about the process of translation survived. The lives of the Translators and sometimes their very identity became obscured with time. In certain instances, the place of their birth and burial is unknown, and their family circumstance in doubt. Until this anniversary year, few could name even one Translator, let alone sixty. The following brief biographies are written in the hope to shed further light on these men who contributed so much.

You need to compare various Bibles with one another and also look at the meaning of Greek words and you'll start realizing why one Bible translates a verse one way, and another Bible translates it using slightly different words which mean the same thing. The King James is not necessarily correct with its translation of "it" as "he".

[*StrongsGreek*]
00846
AU)TO/S αὐτός autós ow-tos' from the particle αὖ aû, (perhaps akin to the base of 109 through the idea of a baffling wind) (backward);
the reflexive pronoun self, used (alone or in the compound 1438) of the third person , and (with the proper personal pronoun) of the other persons:--her, it(-self), one, the other, (mine) own, said, (self-), the) same, ((him-, my-, thy- )self, (your-)selves, she, that, their(-s), them(-selves), there(-at, - by, -in, -into, -of, -on, -with), they, (these) things, this (man), those, together, very, which.

Now go search for the above word through the New Testament. You will discover that it refers to the subject that has already been introduced, and it does not necessarily mean the subject is a person. FOR EXAMPLE:

IT (the subject that has just been introduced) is a kingdom. HE is its king. BOTH IT and HE are translations of the word autós time and again throughout the New Testament.

If you become obsessed with semantics, you will lose the meaning comletely.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I lean toward premil until A-mil can explain how

(1) Satan has been "bound" (so unable to deceive the nations) when I can (and have) listed the New Testament verses which say the eact opposite; and

(2) How those who were beheaded for refusal to worship the beast are living and reigning with Christ for a thousands years backwards over time starting from the close of the millennium to the begiining of the millennium.

Well you will never see prove of Satan being bound or anything like the Millennial Kingdom in history.

Interesting that you mention the beheadings. That is Islam's signature and they are doing that all over the world, especially in Islamic nations.

 

[Truth7t7]

You need to compare various Bibles with one another and also look at the meaning of Greek words and you'll start realizing why one Bible translates a verse one way, and another Bible translates it using slightly different words which mean the same thing. The King James is not necessarily correct with its translation of "it" as "he".

[*StrongsGreek*]
00846
AU)TO/S αὐτός autós ow-tos' from the particle αὖ aû, (perhaps akin to the base of 109 through the idea of a baffling wind) (backward);
the reflexive pronoun self, used (alone or in the compound 1438) of the third person , and (with the proper personal pronoun) of the other persons:--her, it(-self), one, the other, (mine) own, said, (self-), the) same, ((him-, my-, thy- )self, (your-)selves, she, that, their(-s), them(-selves), there(-at, - by, -in, -into, -of, -on, -with), they, (these) things, this (man), those, together, very, which.

Now go search for the above word through the New Testament. You will discover that it refers to the subject that has already been introduced, and it does not necessarily mean the subject is a person. FOR EXAMPLE:

IT (the subject that has just been introduced) is a kingdom. HE is its king. BOTH IT and HE are translations of the word autós time and again throughout the New Testament.

If you become obsessed with semantics, you will lose the meaning comletely.

Reality Check, 60 Christian Scholars On The KJV Committee VS. Jay P. Green Sr.

MKJV - Modern King James Version

Sovereign Grace Publishers
Modern King James Version
of the Holy Bible
translated by
Jay P. Green Sr.

Wikipedia: Jay Patrick Green, Sr. (December 1, 1918 – May 20, 2008) was an ordained minister, Bible translator, publisher, and businessman.

• • King James I
• TRANSLATION OVERSEER
  • Richard Bancroft
• COMMITTEE OF TWO
• COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
• FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
• FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
• FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
• SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
• SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
• SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
• TRANSLATOR
  • Thomas Sparke
• PRINTER
  • Robert Barker
• CONTRIBUTORS
  • (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
  • John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
  • Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
  • John More (Map)
  • Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
  • Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)

INTRODUCTION
At least sixty men were directly involved in the translation of the King James Bible (hereinafter KJB). Most were Translators, while a few were project overseers, revisers and editors. Some served in several roles. Who were these men? What were their backgrounds? What did they share? In what ways were they different? They were a diverse group. While some were born in large cities and towns, most were from small villages scattered throughout England. Several were the children of university graduates, most were not. They were sons of mariners, farmers, school teachers, cordwainers (leather merchants), fletchers (makers of bows and arrows), ministers, brewers, tailors, and aristocrats. All were members of the Church of England, but their religious views ran the gamut. Some were ardent Puritans, others staunch defenders of the religious establishment. Some believed in pre-destination and limited salvation as taught by John Calvin, while others believed in self-determination and universal access to heaven as taught by Jacobus Arminius.

All of the Translators were university graduates. Oxford and Cambridge claimed nearly equal numbers of Translators as alumni. All of the Translators except one were ordained Church of England priests. While several of the Translators had traveled to the Continent, only one had ventured to the New World. Most of the Translators were married men (38 of 60) with families. Most of the Translators spent a significant portion of their career associated with their colleges and universities as fellows, involved in teaching and administration. As fellows, they were not allowed to marry. As a result many delayed marriage until they had established themselves in church office away from the university. When the translation commenced in 1604-1605, the majority of the Translators, 22, were in their forties, 16 men were in their thirties, 15 in their fifties, 3 in their sixties and 3 in their twenties.

One Translator died in his thirties, six in their forties, nineteen in their fifties, sixteen in their sixties, four in their seventies, three in their eighties and one, over one hundred. Nine of the Translators died before the KJB was published in the 1611.

Most of the Translators were in comfortable economic circumstances during and after their time involved in the translation. The association and friendships they developed during the translation project generally advanced their careers. Some of the Translators went on to high church and academic office. Five went on to serve as bishops and two as archbishops.

They all had a familiarity with the ancient languages of Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and often many more. They came on the historical scene at a time when the knowledge of early biblical texts and language was exploding. Such a flowering of interest and expertise was unique. Bible historian, Gordon Campbell, has observed:

The population from which scholars can now be drawn is much larger than in the seventeenth century, but it would be difficult now to bring together a group of more than fifty scholars with the range of languages and knowledge of other disciplines that characterized the KJB Translators. (Bible – The Story of the King James Version 1611-2011 Oxford, Gordon Campbell, Oxford University Press 2010.)
For such a diverse group, they worked together in harmony during a generally contentious time. They had disagreements, to be sure, but they labored on, year after year. There were no "tell all books" published after the fact. Miles Smith remarked in his preface to the KJB, the Translators "were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and sought truth rather than their own praise". They approached the task of translation with humility, understanding they were standing on the shoulders of giants like William Tyndale. Believers all, the Translators, according to Smith "craved the assistance of God's Spirit by prayer" as they proceeded in their work.

Though almost all were well known within the religious and academic community of the time, their involvement in the translation went largely unnoticed by the public. Their individual and group effort was not the subject of historical inquiry until many years after the fact. As a result, little information about the process of translation survived. The lives of the Translators and sometimes their very identity became obscured with time. In certain instances, the place of their birth and burial is unknown, and their family circumstance in doubt. Until this anniversary year, few could name even one Translator, let alone sixty. The following brief biographies are written in the hope to shed further light on these men who contributed so much.

 

[Zao is life]

We Will Disagree

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Like you said, we will disagree. I take what the apostles said and what the Revelation says about the binding of Satan so that he cannot deceive the nations anymore at face value. I find no reason to believe what you have insisted it means - that "the nations" means that Satan is bound in terms of his ability to deceive the elect.

 

[Zao is life]

Well you will never see prove of Satan being bound or anything like the Millennial Kingdom in history.

Interesting that you mention the beheadings. That is Islam's signature and they are doing that ball over the world, esoecially in Islamic nations.

Yes, I've noticed. And now that Afghanistan is back under the Taliban, here comes another caliphate, with Isis and Taliban and Al Queda and who knows who else on the same side.

Believe me, I've noticed. (Not that I pin one possible interpretation down as "that's it, that's who/what this is", but I bear it in mind, and I watch).