Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?

[Jared42]

Absolutely!
But you do not have to believe me, the Bible will tell you what real sins are.
There are some things we learned after the Bible...that slavery and polygamy are bad...wedding ceremonies are good...things like that. Christ prepared us for judging such things as looking at the fruits.

Are you qualified and placed to speak for "Us?"

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you qualified and placed to speak for "Us?"

Like I said, don't believe me, read the Bible.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Jared likes to troll a lot.

 

[Jared42]

Jared likes to troll a lot.

Jesus was a Master at speaking uncomfortable things to misguided people.

 

[Jared42]

Like I said, don't believe me, read the Bible.

I already do not believe you, and assuredly do read the Bible.

State how you are qualified to speak for us. Jesus never told anyone to judge people's fruits. Learn to accurately read the Text.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus was a Master at speaking uncomfortable things to misguided people.

I will give you a chance to explain that statement

 

[Brakelite]

Paul himself says he has to subjugate his flesh daily, lest after preaching salvation to others, he end up a castaway.


1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring itinto subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY.


The word castaway is also ADOKIMOS in the Greek - reprobate - castaway and rejected by God.


G96 (Strong)

ἀδόκιμος

adokimos

ad-ok'-ee-mos

From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication worthless(literally or morally): - castaway, rejected, reprobate.

Total KJV occurrences: 8


Paul said he could end up a reprobate if he didn’t subjugate his flesh with its sinful desires, daily.


Albert Barnes exegetes the verse:


“The simple idea of Paul is, that he was afraid that he should be disapproved, rejected, cast off; that it would appear, after all, that he had no religion, and would then be cast away as unfit to enter into heaven”.


John Wesley also exegetes 1 Corinthians 9:27:


This single text may give us a just notion of the scriptural doctrine of election and reprobation; and clearly shows us, that particular persons are not in holy writ represented as elected absolutely and unconditionally to eternal life, or predestinated absolutely and unconditionally to eternal death; but that believers in general are elected to enjoy the Christian privileges on earth; which if they abuse, those very elect persons will become reprobate. St. Paul was certainly an elect person, if ever there was one; and yet he declares it was possible he himself might become a reprobate. Nay, he actually would have become such, if he had not thus kept his body under, even though he had been so long an elect person, a Christian, and an apostle.


Paul never taught unconditional eternal security - in fact he taught the opposite.


Paul said he could end up a reprobate if he didn’t subjugate his flesh with its sinful desires, daily.


And he also wrote many conditional statements about continuing in the faith to remain in Christ, one of which follows:


Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in yourmind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled


Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:


Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled,and benot moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, andwhich was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


Albert Barnes commentary exegetes the above passage:


If ye continue in the faith - In the belief of the gospel, and in holy living. If this were done, they would be presented unblameable be fore God;if not, they would not be.The meaning is, that it will be impossible to be saved unless we continue to lead lives becoming the gospel.


The many conditional statements Paul made are ignored by Calvinists and the OSAS camp, because they are fatal to their doctrinal scenario of unconditional eternal security.

Good post.

 

[Brakelite]

Thanks for displaying so much. Calvinism easily falls upon its own:

1.) Lack of hope from the God of Hope to a world desperate for hope.
2.) Nonstop tortuous wrenching of Scripture to make it appear exhaustively exegeted. Endless volumes for 400 years.
3.) No act or demonstration of charity unto non adherents, such as to Brother Servitus in the flames.
4.) No assurrance of eternal life in any heart or mind.
5.) Denial of the imminency of Christ's return.
6.) Big mouthed cherry picking of Scripture.
7.) Arrogance upon the lost.
8.) Denial of #686 ava/"haply" in Acts 17:27.
9.) If election is certain, there is no need for hope.
10.) 1 John 2:2, "He is the propitiation for our son's: and not for our son's only, but for the sins of the whole world."

This is far from complete. You can still come to Christ on His terms.

Regards.

One would more believe your posts about Calvinist lack of sympathy for the lost if you had some. Your accusations against other posters that they need Jesus and your complete disdain for their assumed parlous need of redemption reveals your own shortcomings reflective of the state of those you accuse.

 

[Brakelite]

Please tell me exactly how you personally seek God.
Yes, doing so must include:

1.) Consistently and prayerfully read and study His Word in Scripture.
2.) Faithfully attend to prayer upon all matters.
3.) Engage in truthful worship and fellowship with other Believers.
4.) Daily bear one's Cross with humility.
5.) Trust God for provision and for guidance upon all endeavors.
6.) Be ready to share one's faith and testimony of Christ's work.
7.) Endeavor to obey the Commands of Christ with a full heart of love and service unto Him.
8.) Give of one's self, time, and resources to neighbors, fellow Saints, and personal Family.
9.) Pursue the fruits of the Spirit within all interpersonal undertakings.
10.) Utilize the First Commandment as a basis for all of life's pursuits and assessments.
11.) Continually read the Book of Proverbs.
12.) Continually expect the glorious return of Jesus.
13.) Submit and care for one's body as the Temple of the Holy Spirit.
14.) Be temperate upon all things.
15.) Lovingly forgive all trespasses.

What else is there?

16.) Fasting.
17.) A Wilderness Experience.
18.) Forming and nurturing a loving and holy family in service to God.
19.) Reaching out to those in need.
20.) Praying for our Nation and its Leaders.
21.) Endure Persecution and Tribulation.
22.) Redeem the time during these last days.
23.) Continually sow the Word into hearts we meet.

What have you found about God and His heart amidst all of this beyond what Scripture discloses?

Are you telling us that all these good works are essential for salvation? I noticed a couple of things quite conspicuous by their absence... Abiding in Jesus, without which all the above would be impossible, and if they were possible, without Jesus would be futile... and faith, through which there is no salvation to be had by anyone.

 

[farouk]

No thank you. Have a testimony here though;

And many more videos on teaching and looking into different subjects if you are interested.

@MatthewG Like you say in the video, it's good to have someone encourage you in the Scriptures... Acts 2.42....

 

[Brakelite]

"Keep yourself as sinless as you can." That is good advise.
The first step is to know what are real sins. So you do not step on a real sin trying to avoid fake sins. And so you do not wrongly condemn others of things that are not sins.

On the average we sin, we repent, we ask forgiveness and our sins are forgiven by Christ and forgotten.
The sins you have to worry about are life style sins....Sins you do not intend to stop. You cannot repeat of sins you intend to keep doing. Cannot get forgiven for them.

It's interesting that there is only one definition of sin in scripture, although there are a couple of allusions to sin.
This is specific...
KJV 1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

These are non specific...
KJV James 4:17
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

KJV Romans 14:23
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

[Grailhunter]

I already do not believe you, and assuredly do read the Bible.

State how you are qualified to speak for us. Jesus never told anyone to judge people's fruits. Learn to accurately read the Text.

Speak for us? What do you mean?
Fruits? You have to be kidding.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellow with unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
The funny thing is you do not think I can see your fruits...LOL...But I know your fruits are a dark hole.
But knowing and judging is two different thing. Do not condemn the wicked, just the sin. So judging you to hell is not my business, but talking to you is.

Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits....

Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.

Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire

Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Luke 6:44 For every tree is known by his fruit....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

This is just untrue.

Matthew 7:21
King James Version

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And what us the “ Will Of The Father?” The Disciples asked Jesus this very question....His response” .....” BELIEVE in the One that He sent”...... yeah, it’s that simple....

 

[Grailhunter]

You do not "give chances" to anyone for anything. God's Word shows Jesus being a master troll in Like 4 at the Nazareth Synagogue. The people tried to kill Him after He first spoke Isaiah, then He put it in their faces.

LOL Oh but I do give chances. I may not judge you but I can put you on ignore....see ya, would not want to be ya!

 

[Grailhunter]

It's interesting that there is only one definition of sin in scripture, although there are a couple of allusions to sin.
This is specific...
KJV 1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

These are non specific...
KJV James 4:17
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

KJV Romans 14:23
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Oh but there is so many scriptures about the things that will prevent you from inheriting the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Brakelite]

In addressing the OP...a number of points.

• No-one can keep themselves sinless...or anyone else.
• The just shall live by faith
• We can do all things in Christ.
• Abiding in the Vine, results in the branch feasting upon the strength and nourishment provided by the Vine.
• The result of receiving of the Vine's divine strength is holiness and righteousness.

KJV Romans 6:1-2, 15-16
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Christ's humanity was united with divinity; He was fitted for the conflict by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And He came to make us partakers of the divine nature. So long as we are united to Him by faith, sin has no more dominion over us. God reaches for the hand of faith in us to direct it to lay fast hold upon the divinity of Christ, that we may attain to perfection of character.

 

[Brakelite]

Oh but there is so many scriptures about the things that will prevent you from inheriting the kingdom of heaven.

Actually, in all my reading of scripture I have come across only one line of thought that prevents salvation. Loss of faith. Unbelief.

 

[Jared42]

One would more believe your posts about Calvinist lack of sympathy for the lost if you had some. Your accusations against other posters that they need Jesus and your complete disdain for their assumed parlous need of redemption reveals your own shortcomings reflective of the state of those you accuse.

Not sure what you are saying. If you have uncomfortable feelings to share about something, confess them to the Lord, or to your friends. They understand your needs, I do not. Okay?

Blessings.

 

[Jared42]

In addressing the OP...a number of points.

• No-one can keep themselves sinless...or anyone else.
• The just shall live by faith
• We can do all things in Christ.
• Abiding in the Vine, results in the branch feasting upon the strength and nourishment provided by the Vine.
• The result of receiving of the Vine's divine strength is holiness and righteousness.

KJV Romans 6:1-2, 15-16
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Christ's humanity was united with divinity; He was fitted for the conflict by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And He came to make us partakers of the divine nature. So long as we are united to Him by faith, sin has no more dominion over us. God reaches for the hand of faith in us to direct it to lay fast hold upon the divinity of Christ, that we may attain to perfection of character.

As you have feasted upon the Vine, what have you attained from Him? Anything beyond what is shown in Scripture?

 

[Jared42]

LOL Oh but I do give chances. I may not judge you but I can put you on ignore....see ya, would not want to be ya!

Look up the definition for "chances." Lol.

Weak people ignore. Be strong in the lord.