Where do people go when they die?

[amadeus]

Actually…I’m going to maybe never mind it…
I have thought/suspected that someone convinced them based on the fact that after Jesus rose and was with them again, they saw many of their dead walking around, (and possibly mixed with current events), that they had missed it. Mathew will not have that suspicion of why they were freaked out so…maybe I’ll leave it.
At any rate, here’s the passage:

2 Now, dear brothers and sisters, let us clarify some things about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered to meet him. 2 Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us. 3 Don’t be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed—the one who brings destruction. 4 He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.
5 Don’t you remember that I told you about all this when I was with you? 6 And you know what is holding him back, for he can be revealed only when his time comes. 7 For this lawlessness is already at work secretly, and it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way. 8 Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, but the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by the splendor of his coming.

9 This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles. 10 He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. 11 So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 12 Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth.

I suspect they were freaked out because the dead had risen that they saw walking around during those 40 days and they became convinced they’d missed the gathering together.

What are they looking at...tomorrow? Why? We may speculate, but 'not to worry', right?

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matt 6:33-34

 

[amadeus]

i dunno, im pretty comfy!
I will never leave you nor forsake you

"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" Rom 8:31

 

[amadeus]

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years. ?

What is a resurrection but a bringing to Life someone who is dead?
When was the first resurrection? Was it when Jesus came out of the tomb or was, at least for me, when I accepted the Life which he brought?

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10

And then this again:

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:26

 

[stunnedbygrace]

There is so much to consider from Rev 1 to 13 then to then end. I’ll share my teachers teaching… he is someone believes that Jesus Christ has returned already and gathered that bride then. It is a uncommon belief however it’s not something that is new either. It’s an old belief.

all capture on live tape on the day they were taught.

Let me tell you this Revelation is not easy for people to get through. Some believe they have to take it all literally, some believe that it’s a two fold prophecy and all this.

Im unequiped and this man has done 92 videos on the book of revelation verse by verse.

So you use your own discernment cause I’m highly unequipped to truly answer your question.

With love,
Matthew G

How does he fit in the verse we were talking about in thess? I’ve got a backlog of about…70 videos I want to check out.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

What are they looking at...tomorrow? Why? We may speculate, but 'not to worry', right?

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matt 6:33-34

im not at all sure taking no thought for tomorrow means don’t read prophecy and think about it.

 

[Rita]

This thread has given me food for thought , thank you. I remember a few years ago when I suddenly had insight and believed that the last days began at the resurrection, before that I didn’t really know what I believed on the subject ….something just clicked. I do like those moments xx

Rita

 

[MatthewG]

@stunnedbygrace if you go to that mans main channel page and click on playlist he has done every single book in the New Testament. You can go and look and watch those. One of the main reasons he performed them all live is for people to have the information. Thank you for your interest and use your own discernment.

My life is about having love, no matter what a person believes. When it comes down to what people believe for the most part I don’t mind what they believe because everyone should understand that our faith is between you yourself and God.

My overall desire is to love. I also love to teach, I won’t be able to reach revelation quite yet but Shawn is working on a way for all people to have the information in which he is is going through in the revelation video I shared with you from others who are supporting the work.

I will obtain one of these books one day around either 2022 or 2023 if God allows me to live to see it and to stay around and to continue to be able to love and share Christ until the day I finally leave this body,

Much love you @stunnedbygrace and everyone watching, looking and observing,

God bless you and your families and may you find rest for your souls in Jesus through all the pain and suffering we endure going through this life in regards for having love for God, Jesus, and others,

Matthew G.

 

[farouk]

@MatthewG Interesting, what Hebrews 1 says about the earth in the latter days:

"And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail." (Hebrews 1.10-12)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

@stunnedbygrace if you go to that mans main channel page and click on playlist he has done every single book in the New Testament. You can go and look and watch those. One of the main reasons he performed them all live is for people to have the information. Thank you for your interest and use your own discernment.

My life is about having love, no matter what a person believes. When it comes down to what people believe for the most part I don’t mind what they believe because everyone should understand that our faith is between you yourself and God.

My overall desire is to love. I also love to teach, I won’t be able to reach revelation quite yet but Shawn is working on a way for all people to have the information in which he is is going through in the revelation video I shared with you from others who are supporting the work.

I will obtain one of these books one day around either 2022 or 2023 if God allows me to live to see it and to stay around and to continue to be able to love and share Christ until the day I finally leave this body,

Much love you @stunnedbygrace and everyone watching, looking and observing,

God bless you and your families and may you find rest for your souls in Jesus through all the pain and suffering we endure going through this life in regards for having love for God, Jesus, and others,

Matthew G.

A few years ago I probably would have gone and looked for what he has to say on that verse in Thess, but I’ve grown a bit cynical and am sure he will not give any witness accounts of the miracles and wonders that the man he believes to be the man of lawlessness performed. I’m also sure he cannot explain why we are in the millennium and yet there are still wars when prophecy says there won’t be. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[amadeus]

im not at all sure taking no thought for tomorrow means don’t read prophecy and think about it.

I do agree absolutely, but worrying should not be a part of it if we are on the Lord's side. That believers do still actually worry may simply be an indication of things they have not yet overcome. What did Jesus overcome? What do each of us need to overcome?

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I do agree absolutely, but worrying should not be a part of it if we are on the Lord's side. That believers do still actually worry may simply be an indication of things they have not yet overcome. What did Jesus overcome? What do each of us need to overcome?

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33

Yes, I agree. I don’t dig into prophecy because I am worried. I dig into it because I’m fascinated and like finding pieces of the puzzle.

 

[farouk]

Sounds familiar...

@Truman "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5.8)

 

[Truman]

@Truman "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5.8)

Sigh! We are on the road...to our home...in the New Jerusalem!

 

[farouk]

The believer's hope is glorious. Titus 2.13 speaks of the 'blessed hope'.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Sigh! We are on the road...to our home...in the New Jerusalem!

I second that sigh and raise you 2 more sighs.

 

[bbyrd009]

I second that sigh and raise you 2 more sighs.

life at the End of Empire isnt real fun huh

 

[stunnedbygrace]

This might be wrong you have to check it on me. I do have a book on the essential writings of Josephus however my own mind has bad adhd and sometimes hard for me to submit and read and make work out reading.

I will tell you this though you might have to check it out for yourself nearing the end of Jerusalem and it’s destruction people were in to cannablising and mothers eating their dead.

This was something my teacher emphasized, Christians were getting killed left and right, 1,100,000 people were slaughtered and killed over all the Roman siege of Jerusalem when the temple fell.

It seems the people continued on after Jesus had rose again they continued into worshiping idols and false gods making a mockery of God himself.

Do you remember the parable of the Vineyard?

How the it is God who gave the people land which would be Israel ; and how He sent prophets to warn them but the people there killed the prophets, then He sent his son and they said let’s kill him so we can inherit this land and establish our own kingdom.


what do you think the loaner of the vineyard would do to them?

It was really really bad could you imagine this happening today in America?

Thst depends on how you believe some believe future some believe like myself by faith it’s all done came to pass, that doesn’t mean there is no point to seeking God and having Christ in ones life overcoming the darkness with light and goodness by the Holy Spirit, and spirit of Christ in you.

Eating children, that’s real bad, but I’m still hung up on the “miracles” the apostle said he would perform. Surely there would have been eyewitnesses to them and something written somewhere.That’s why I think he was definitely a shadow but not the fulfillment.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

life at the End of Empire isnt real fun huh

I don’t really even know for sure it’s the end. I have my suspicions but I’m pretty sure when Hitler was on earth they had suspicions too. And the Thessalonians were fairly convinced too, so…

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I give a lot of thought to things that seem to be lining up, and then sometimes the dumbest connections strike me and I think something like, hmm….at the last trump…what if trump is re-elected and it would be his last term…the last trump…
But then I get ahold of myself and laugh at myself and get back to more measured thinking of prophecy.

 

[Enoch111]

...unbelievers and believers alike going into a new kingdom that is above.

You are contradicting Scripture, God, and Christ.

God makes a clear distinction between believers and unbelievers. Christ makes a clear distinction also (Mk 16:15,16): And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.